Interesting Military Post

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http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/slasheastasia_1.htm

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I'm surprised. Who fights a conventional ground war these days?

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I'm surprised. Who fights a conventional ground war these days?

large national powers..

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"US forces are incompetent......"
"could not withstand a human wave attack....."
"would pull out after 2000 casualties...."

I think Mr. Ishihara would do well to re-read history. I believe his ancestors held some of the same misconceptions about the US military. He could also ask the Chinese, N. Koreans, and NVA how Americans "withstand" human wave attacks. :nono:

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"US forces are incompetent......"
"could not withstand a human wave attack....."
"would pull out after 2000 casualties...."

I think Mr. Ishihara would do well to re-read history. I believe his ancestors held some of the same misconceptions about the US military. He could also ask the Chinese, N. Koreans, and NVA how Americans "withstand" human wave attacks. :nono:

Help me out here but I thought we didnt do too well in N Korea.. my history isnt so good on the others.. I do think that due to the libs, we would see support for this rapidly decline... unless of course, we were invaded on our own land.. then thats a whole nother matter.

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Help me out here but I thought we didnt do too well in N Korea.. my history isnt so good on the others..

During WWII the Japanese considered the American military incompetent. They routinely used human wave attacks which GI's repulsed, often resorting to hand to hand combat. As for our ability to suffer casualties and continue the fight, look at any of the island hopping campaigns of the S. Pacific. On Iwo Jima alone we suffered over 28,000 casualties, with nearly 7,000 of those KIA. And Iwo was just one small island.

The N. Koreans and Red Chinese used human wave attacks during the Korean war, and were routinely repulsed by superior American firepower and ferocious Marines and soldiers. We did just fine in Korea once we got enought troops on the ground to carry the fight to the enemy.

Same song again in RVN, although human wave attacks were an NVA tactic not shared by the VC. See the battles of the Ia Drang valley (basis for We Were Soldiers).

Fact is, the American military has never lost a war. Unfortunately, more than once the American people have lost their stomach for the fight (thanks to inaccurate reporting by the 4th estate, IMHO), and the American goverment has chosen to throw in the towel (partially in Korea, absolutely in RVN, Somalia, etc.). And we're starting to see the same in Iraq.

Me, I'm not much on "surgical strikes", "limited engagements", or "shows of force". I don't think we ought to send troops into harm's way unless the fight is important enough to win. If it is, an that should be a carefully considered if, then quitting or losing aren't options. You stay and do whatever it takes to achieve total victory. If we're not willing to commit to winning, no matter the cost, we need to stay home.

Rant off.

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Help me out here but I thought we didnt do too well in N Korea.. my history isnt so good on the others.. I do think that due to the libs, we would see support for this rapidly decline... unless of course, we were invaded on our own land.. then thats a whole nother matter.

To make a long story short........The North Korean army (NKA) attacked into South Korea (SK) and we drove them back into NK. The NKA attacked again, this time with the help of several Chinese divisions (the human wave). We pushed them back into NK. They attacked, in strength again (NK & China) and we pushed them back across the border and that's where the stalemate began. All this took place over a 2 1/2 to 3 year period. What that those folks in Asia don't realize, or maybe they do and didn't say......What is hapening in Iraq right now is not the full might of the US military. Those bastards we are fighting now are just getting a little taste. If we were fighting a full on ground war in Asia I would say that we would have 3-4 Carrier Battle Groups in the area. Several hundred fighters and bombers in the air over Asia. And that's just aircraft the are already stationed in Europe and Asia now. Not to mention the birds we fly over to help out. I don't know if we win or lose, but we will take a whole lot of them sum bitches with us. God help them if they come over here and try to come through Texas.:nono:

Just my .2

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Thanks guys for the history lesson.. I realize that we havent lost one. But I do remember that the losses in No Korea were pretty bad.. I thought it was one of the worse loss ratios we had ever encountered. Unfortunately, if you are dealing with the Chinese, they have complete disregard for human life, so you can bet they will keep sending the troops in, esp since they have an army of over 200 million soldiers(I think)...
Dana

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Thanks guys for the history lesson.. I realize that we havent lost one. But I do remember that the losses in No Korea were pretty bad.. I thought it was one of the worse loss ratios we had ever encountered. Unfortunately, if you are dealing with the Chinese, they have complete disregard for human life, so you can bet they will keep sending the troops in, esp since they have an army of over 200 million soldiers(I think)...
Dana

Nothing speaks like facts:

http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/cwc/other/stats/warcost.htm