Tire choices for track

[03LightningRocks]

I would have let you borrow my 28" slicks if you wanted to make another pass :D

I couldn't believe the 7.4 pass espically hot lapping it like you did. :nana2

I would be real surprised if Wes could get away with 28" slicks. He his making way to much power for tires that small....IMHO.


Rocks;)

[wesman]

I would be real surprised if Wes could get away with 28" slicks. He his making way to much power for tires that small....IMHO.


Rocks;)

lol...I was running my old 26" slicks on the passes today. I'll be getting some front runners and 28x12.5x16 next weekend tho.

--wes

[03LightningRocks]

lol...I was running my old 26" slicks on the passes today. I'll be getting some front runners and 28x12.5x16 next weekend tho.

--wes


That helps to esplain the MPH being a little low. You would actually be better served to come up with a way to get some 30" tires. Your going to start running out of RPM's on the quarter. I believe their are some tires made by M and H that are 16x30. They are a drag radial type I believe. I saw some on a Halo memebers truck in Houston.

[wesman]

lmao on the multiple avatar changing....

anyways, do you have pics of what the shaved calipers look like ? I wanna see how bad it is before even thinking about going that route. Why the hell doesn't anyone make 30x12.5x16's ?????

--wes

[03LightningRocks]

lmao on the multiple avatar changing....

anyways, do you have pics of what the shaved calipers look like ? I wanna see how bad it is before even thinking about going that route. Why the hell doesn't anyone make 30x12.5x16's ?????

--wes

Terry has my truck...I bet you could go by his place and check out the calipers. I didn't really think the amount of shaving was that bad...but then again, Terry did all the shaving while I sat on my butt and drank gatoraid...:D .

Rocks

[03LightningRocks]

Check these out Wes. They call them cheater slicks. Like I said...a few fellers from Houston had them and swear they are the stuff.

http://www.intercotire.com/site49.php


It is the mhd-11 and mhd-13

If I read the specs right, T.W. is the tire width. You can give them a call and be sure. Well...maybe T.W. means tread width. Check to make sure they won't rub the wheel well. But I have seen them used with no problems.

[BC Lightning]

I would be real surprised if Wes could get away with 28" slicks. He his making way to much power for tires that small....IMHO.


Rocks;)


he was running on 26's today :D

[wesman]

Check these out Wes. They call them cheater slicks. Like I said...a few fellers from Houston had them and swear they are the stuff.

http://www.intercotire.com/site49.php


It is the mhd-11 and mhd-13

If I read the specs right, T.W. is the tire width. You can give them a call and be sure. Well...maybe T.W. means tread width. Check to make sure they won't rub the wheel well. But I have seen them used with no problems.


I wonder what the widest we can run without tubbing it ? If I'm reading it correctly they have 30x14x16 and 30x14.5x16....nothing in the 12.5 range for the 16's besides the 28's

--wes

[03LightningRocks]

he was running on 26's today :D


I get the feeling you posted before reading the rest of the thread. So you get one of these http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/lastweek.gif.



Rocks;)

[03LightningRocks]

I wonder what the widest we can run without tubbing it ? If I'm reading it correctly they have 30x14x16 and 30x14.5x16....nothing in the 12.5 range for the 16's besides the 28's

--wes

There was a thread on F150online a few months back about these tires. I was thinking I read something about the tire width not being a problem. Tubes are actually a good thing. I have had two different wheels that had to have screws to keep from spinning the tires on the rims. Both leaked air and pissed me off. I always tube them now. No more air bullsh!t between runs. Tubes are only about 40 bucks for the el cheapos and around 60 for the good stuff. They last through several tire changes. I have tubes now that have seen 3 sets of slicks and they still are going strong.

Rocks

[03LightningRocks]

http://www.f150online.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190348&highlight=Cheater+Slicks


http://www.f150online.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173951&highlight=Cheater+Slicks


http://www.f150online.com/forums/search.php?searchid=240647

[03LightningRocks]

In this thread they talk of using those tires without tubes.

http://www.f150online.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134942&highlight=Cheater+Slicks

[03LightningRocks]

Something to think about. I did the 15" wheels with shaved calipers because most of the time I drive the Lightning at the track.
If I had wanted to keep her streetable...I probably wouldn't have shaved the calipers. Especially now that I know of an option for 16" wheels.

That being said, I don't know how "dangerous" it is to shave the calipers if driving on the street alot. It may be just perfectly safe....I just can't tell you if it is.


Rocks

[wesman]

There was a thread on F150online a few months back about these tires. I was thinking I read something about the tire width not being a problem. Tubes are actually a good thing. I have had two different wheels that had to have screws to keep from spinning the tires on the rims. Both leaked air and pissed me off. I always tube them now. No more air bullsh!t between runs. Tubes are only about 40 bucks for the el cheapos and around 60 for the good stuff. They last through several tire changes. I have tubes now that have seen 3 sets of slicks and they still are going strong.

Rocks

I meant tubbing, not tubing. ;)

I don't mind running a tubed tire, was just concerned about the width on those. It seems that from what their saying you can run the 14's....hrmmmm, may be the way to go.

Seems they'll work on 10" rims too.

--wes

[wesman]

lol...Thanks for moving this over mods....we were sure screwing up that 1/8 mile list :rll:

--wes

[L8 APEX]

lol...I was running my old 26" slicks on the passes today. I'll be getting some front runners and 28x12.5x16 next weekend tho.

--wes
28's are a waste of time if you are wanting to go serious fast. You can play on them but you will be hitting overdrive a lot on passes in the 11.5 120 mph range. Rocks is hitting overdrive with 30"s in the 130mph 10.8 and lower range. Caliper shaving is my favorite skill! 15" wheels give you another precious inch of sidewall to wrinkle. Rocks was beating his 28's like stepchildren before the move to the 30's. Now he needs wider to hold the hit off the line and taller to keep out of O/D gear over 133mph.
You have balls to run those decade old dry cracked 26's :D

[03LightningRocks]

28's are a waste of time if you are wanting to go serious fast. You can play on them but you will be hitting overdrive a lot on passes in the 11.5 120 mph range. Rocks is hitting overdrive with 30"s in the 130mph 10.8 and lower range. Caliper shaving is my favorite skill! 15" wheels give you another precious inch of sidewall to wrinkle. Rocks was beating his 28's like stepchildren before the move to the 30's. Now he needs wider to hold the hit off the line and taller to keep out of O/D gear over 133mph.
You have balls to run those decade old dry cracked 26's :D


That pretty much says it all:bows . You will like the Bogarts Wes. They are so light you can toss them around like a basket ball.

Rocks:tu:

[03LightningRocks]

I meant tubbing, not tubing. ;)

I don't mind running a tubed tire, was just concerned about the width on those. It seems that from what their saying you can run the 14's....hrmmmm, may be the way to go.

Seems they'll work on 10" rims too.

--wes


ROTFLMAO.............Tubbing is so far out of my mind, I simply read tubing instead of tubbing.....:rll: .

Well tubbing doesn't seem to be needed by the fellows using them ;) .


Rocks

[wesman]

Straight from the horses mouth ;)

Hello Wes,

Thank you for your inquiry. We have two sizes that we sell to the
Lightning’s:

(l) 30/14.0-16LT
DOT Certified - Wrinkle Wall

Tube Type

Tread Width: 10.5"
Section Width: 14.0"
Diameter: 30.0"
Circumference: 94.0"
Rim Size: 10.0"
Code: MHD-11
Compound Type: HB-11



(m) 30/14.5-16LT

DOT Certified - Wrinkle Wall

Tread Width: 11.5"
Section Width: 14.5"
Diameter: 30.2"
Circumference: 94.2"
Rim Size: 11.0"
Code: MHD-13
Compound Type: HB-11

We are currently completely sold out of these two sizes at the factory.
Production slows down in the winter so we should expect to see more of
these tires in the beginning of the year. If you would like to get on
a waiting list for these sizes please notify us by email or call our
warehouse directly at 1-661-324-4773 and you will receive an extra 5%
off of the tires. Also, be sure to visit our web site www.mandhtires.com
in January to see the new advanced web site being launched. Have a great evening.

Best Regards,

M&H Tires

[03LightningRocks]

Hmmm....so are you thinking about doing it?


Rocks

[Mark #2]

28's are a waste of time if you are wanting to go serious fast. You can play on them but you will be hitting overdrive a lot on passes in the 11.5 120 mph range. Rocks is hitting overdrive with 30"s in the 130mph 10.8 and lower range. Caliper shaving is my favorite skill! 15" wheels give you another precious inch of sidewall to wrinkle. Rocks was beating his 28's like stepchildren before the move to the 30's. Now he needs wider to hold the hit off the line and taller to keep out of O/D gear over 133mph.
You have balls to run those decade old dry cracked 26's :D

I go through the traps at 4800 RPM in 3rd at 119mph with 28s. It is all about effective gear ratio,;)

[wesman]

Hmmm....so are you thinking about doing it?


Rocks

Yeah, most likely. I need to find some rims I like now for the slicks and some fronts :)

--wes

[02BOLT]

I go through the traps at 4800 RPM in 3rd at 119mph with 28s. It is all about effective gear ratio,;)

10-4, and that's fine for a truck trapping 119-120, but a 28" tall tire is going to be pretty close to its limit if adhesion at that point. At least that was my experience with 3.73's and a 28" tall tire on a 16" wheel.

Once you step up to the cams, ported heads and more boost, then the rules change a bit. First of all, the 30" tall tire gives you more sidewall to absorb the extra energy upon launch(cause if you can't get 'er out of the hole, then what's the point?).

Secondly, with the cams/ported heads etc...you're gonna be making more power, which will translate into higher trap speeds, which will result in higher rpm at the traps. The taller tire will help prevent the truck from "running out of gear(3rd)" before the finish by decreasing the aforementioned "effective gear ratio". Obviously, guys with 3.55's will have a little more room to play, versus 3.73's due to less torque/gear multiplication.

Just my .02:tu:

[Mark #2]

10-4, and that's fine for a truck trapping 119-120, but a 28" tall tire is going to be pretty close to its limit if adhesion at that point. At least that was my experience with 3.73's and a 28" tall tire on a 16" wheel.

Once you step up to the cams, ported heads and more boost, then the rules change a bit. First of all, the 30" tall tire gives you more sidewall to absorb the extra energy upon launch(cause if you can't get 'er out of the hole, then what's the point?).

Secondly, with the cams/ported heads etc...you're gonna be making more power, which will translate into higher trap speeds, which will result in higher rpm at the traps. The taller tire will help prevent the truck from "running out of gear(3rd)" before the finish by decreasing the aforementioned "effective gear ratio". Obviously, guys with 3.55's will have a little more room to play, versus 3.73's due to less torque/gear multiplication.

Just my .02:tu:

Rob, you are correct as always, but where does it end.:confused:
400, 500, series gears in the rear? 30s, 35s, 40s?
Wait...this sounds like the K5.:D

[BigBobsL]

You will like the 16 x 14.5 M&H tires, they bite better and they are much more stable at speed, i.e. no dog walking like the 28's tend to do once you get deep into the 11's (or faster). It drives straight as an arrow, much less unwanted excitement on the big end. I am using them with 4.10 gears at 11.60 ET and 115 mph, Chillfactor is running 10.7's at 125 mph with them with 3.73 gears. They work with 10" or 11" rims and tubs or tubes are not required.

The disadvantage to 16" wheels vs 15" is lack of tire options. M&H is presently the only company doing a 16 x 30 tire and they do not offer a radial slick or true slick, only the "cheater". You have an unlimited selection of tires with 15" wheels.

As you can see here the M&H's will wrinkle and bite.
http://www.svt-enthusiast.com/modules/gallery/Big-Bob-Friends-%40-Drags/13_41a

http://www.svt-enthusiast.com/modules/gallery/Big-Bob-Friends-%40-Drags/12_54a

[wesman]

Thanks for the first hand info Bob. This is definitely the direction I'm heading.

--wes