Beginning of Turbo Install

[Flats Man]

I am setting up the fuel system right now and started by removing the front tank and sumping the rear. The rear tank will still have the stock pickup and intank 255L/hr pump with a 255 L/Hr frame rail for everyday driving. When I go racing, the front tank selector will turn on the Weldon 2025A and that will feed the turbo under boost. Here is the tank after it was sumped with two #12 AN ports.
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Here is the view of the tank flipped upside down!
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In order to make sure we can return enough fuel with the big pump, I installed a #8 Russell bulk head fitting for the return fuel.
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Finally, the tank is installed with the return line capped for right now. Hopefully this is the last time to drop this tank!

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The restraining straps are to prevent the Rancho Bars from hitting our lift. I am fabricating some straps for this next week!

[Sixpipes]

Dang... somehow I missed your post. So the turbo fuel system is redundant and you can still operate the rear tank on the stock system if you want? Have you solved the fuel bleedback problem with the front tank? After rereading, it sounds like you've decided to pull the front tank completely so now you have a 15 gallon tank fuel capacity, total (rear tank only). :cool:

[Flats Man]

Yep, how many times am I going to have to stop for fuel on the way the Kansas City!? I am saving the front tank so that I can reinstall it later and operate the Race system off of a seperate switch for the pump!

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

Yep, how many times am I going to have to stop for fuel on the way the Kansas City!? I am saving the front tank so that I can reinstall it later and operate the Race system off of a seperate switch for the pump!

So why aren't you using the Go_dzila approach and putting a separate racing fuel tank in the bed??:confused:

[Flats Man]

Well the fuel system in Go_dzila is like an aircraft fuel system and it is pretty tricky for an Old Fart like me. I thought I would build something that an Old Guy couldn't screw up so I planned just one tank. Most of my racing and driving with this truck will be local and I actually plan to trailer it out to Kansas.

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

Well the fuel system in Go_dzila is like an aircraft fuel system and it is pretty tricky for an Old Fart like me. I thought I would build something that an Old Guy couldn't screw up so I planned just one tank. Most of my racing and driving with this truck will be local and I actually plan to trailer it out to Kansas.

So there will be at least three Gen 1s trailered to Kansas next year:twitch:

[Flats Man]

Hey Rob, I promised you that I would get a dyno with the box and the GT 40 lower and I did that today! My initial timing was set at 5 degrees so we changed that to 15 degrees and we got 313 RWHP and 353 torque! Sixpipes guessed the rwhp almost right on the button! the fuel air was a flat line at 12 to 1 but that is not surprising since the meter was set up for a blower. When we increased the timing, it leaned it out 1 point. I am running about a 9 to 1 compression and I think it will take more timing but I am going to take the GT 40 off tomorrow and install the Edelbrock and elbow. I have a turbo cam that should be here any day now and that will be changed when I change out the intake. It is feeling and driving real good with the extra timing in there!

[StormShadow]

Hey Fred, any updates?

[Flats Man]

Well, I don't have too much progress to report! I am being held up by waiting on a set of Bassani Equal Length Headers! The Story follows: When I got back to Fl, I noticed that I was missing the right side header which happens to be a equal length Bassani. I am beginning to think that I never got it in my kit, that I picked up used, from a guy named Blitzkreig, in Tomball, Tex. Anyway, I called the guy up and he said that he had another set that he would sell me and some other misc stuff. We agreed on $250 and I sent an extra $50 for any shipping cost. That was on Jan 30. I can't get hold of the guy and he doesn't returm my phone calls or emails. I haven't seen the Headers either! In all my dealings on trucks, this might be the first time I have been burned on a deal! Anyway, got tired of waiting on the Bassani's so I bought a new set and they arrived Fed Ex yesterday. I now have all the stuff to start the install and will try to get started next week if possible. Thanks for your interest!

[Flats Man]

It is funny how things happen sometimes. After waiting for nearly two months for my headers, and after buying some new ones that just arrived a few days ago, I get an email last night that my headers will be shipped soon! Go figure! I already have the used set sold when they arrive so it will all work out, I guess.

[StormShadow]

Well at least your getting your money back. I'm very interested in your turbo buildup. Post up some pictures when you get a chance.

[02BOLT]

Hey Fred, man I completely missed this thread somehow. Those baseline numbers are pretty good naturally aspirated numbers, especially considering that the motor is set-up for forced induction(low compression ratio, box style upper etc...). If that motor were set up with more compression, and a longer runner intake to promote better low and mid-range torque in Naturally Aspirated trim, it would have probably spit out another 20-30 HP and 30-40 LB/ft of TQ.

It does make me feel a little better about my numbers, as I was hoping for around 315-320 RWHP. As you know we played hell getting mine tuned, but we finally got her done. She wound up spitting out 307 RWHP and 357 RWTQ. I ran a string of 8.60's out at Kennedale a couple months back, which should place her pretty solidly in the mid 13's. Not too bad for the lil' 351.

Keep us posted on the build-up. I'll be monitoring this thread a little more closely in the future. That thing is gonna be absolutely SICK with the turbos when you get her all tuned up!:tu:

[Flats Man]

I got the intake and lower off yesterday! I found out why the old motor made such good HP too. The Lower had a lot of porting work on it and was actually much better than the extrude honed lower that I had bought for Tobbuns's truck. So, I guess the Sixer will be getting the honed lower in exchange for his stock unit. Tobbun will be getting the ported lower for his truck. I found that the Rockers were self clearancing on the Trick Flow valve covers so I will be taking care of that in the next few days. At least I know where the clicking is coming from! lol I will try to get some pictures in a few days!
That is the latest from Florida!

[Flats Man]

Just an update on the turbo set up. I really want the most attention paid to Ronnie's truck because it is so special. I am installing the fuel system to feed the turbo right now. It is almost complete as of today but I still have to build a bracket for the Weldon pump and then finish the hook up from the sumped tank to the first Weldon Filter and then the 2035A Weldon pump and the secondary filter and the 10 AN line up to the Nitrous Y and on to the motor! The Street fuel system will be an intank 255 goiung through the stock fuel filter to a frame rail 255 and on to the nitrous Y. There is an 1 inch fuel check valve in the race system and a 3/4 inch check valve in the street system, to keep the fuel pressure going in the right direction. I have installed a # 8 An return that handles the fuel for both systems. Right now, I am planning to drive this thing to Kansas City. Since I have changed from a T 68 turbo to a Pt 76 Gtsh, I have to build a new hot section for the turbo. That will be done at our Sister Shop! I should be able to meet you Guys at Lightning Fest 2006! I plan to leave Florida on Wednesday and arrive on Thursday! See you there!
If I were Tobbun, I would be real worried about winning Wild Gen 1 this year with that new Green and Black truck in the running!

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[Flats Man]

I hope to fire it up on Monday! The fuel system was completed tonight. I installed braided transmission lines and an oil cooler with braided lines. Hopefully the new hot section will be done by next weekend.


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I got the bumper and Air Dam installed but the innercooler was so big that I had to trim about 1 inch off the back of the air vents to make it fit properly.

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I installed the Diesel bumper vent to get air to the innercooler.

[Flats Man]

We are building a custom wiring harness for the truck because there are many circuits that we no longer will use. After stripping out all the unwanted circuits, this is what was left.

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I will be making some of these circuits longer and some shorter. The MAF is going to be a blow-through on the passenger side so that has to be lengthened.

After stripping out the unwated circuits, this is what went into the trash can.

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[Flats Man]

It fired off for the first time today!

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[Sixpipes]

It fired off for the first time today!



Cool. I need sound. :D

[Flats Man]

Well it sounds pretty angry right now and not very pleasant! I have open headers and an open turbo. I will try to get the sound of it if I can.:D

I am just trying to get it running smooth so that I can drive it 1 block to the shop that will do my hot section and innercooler pipes. I may end up trailering it over.

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

Well it sounds pretty angry right now and not very pleasant! I have open headers and an open turbo. I will try to get the sound of it if I can.:D

I am just trying to get it running smooth so that I can drive it 1 block to the shop that will do my hot section and intercooler pipes. I may end up trailering it over.


WE NEED SOUND!!
Three weeks to go --- think you will make it??

[Flats Man]

I should make it to Lightning Fest! The only bad part coming up is that I have done every thing that I can do and now must depend on others. Right now, I need the connector pipe made up between the two headers and I need the down pipe and the innercooler pipes fabricated. I may not have time to fabricate the exhaust so, For Lightning Fest, I may just dump it infront of the left front tire. A light tune will follow.:D

[Flats Man]

I am supposed to get a video/audio on Saturday! It is supposed to get buttoned up starting Monday. It is starting up and Idling at about 800 rpm and has more Cam than the Anderson Motorsport B-41 that I took out of the truck. That is the latest

[Flats Man]

I hooked up the last fuel line today so all the plumming is done. Sumped Tank with a 12 AN line is feeding a Weldon Filter then a Weldon 2035 pump. Then a 10 An goes to another Weldon Filter and on up to the motor.
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[Flats Man]

The Truck is going to a Shop on Wednesday to have the exhaust and hot section completed. I should have the truck ready to tune by next weekend. I am going to have the Exhaust Waste Gate vented to atmosphere so that I can get that cool twitter after boost is let off. This truck will be running a blow through system like my other truck.

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[BC Lightning]

Definately get a video and sound once its up and running and make sure we can hear the blow off valve, I love that sound

[Flats Man]

I had a Buddy come over and shoot the video today along with a bunch of stills. He is having trouble sending me the video via email but I should have it in a day or two.
Here is a picture of the tank and pump set up:
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[Flats Man]

Here is a short clip of the Idle Video that we shot last week. No tune at all, no chips, no O2 sensors. You get the idea. Hopefully this works.

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[Mark #2]

Here is a short clip of the Idle Video that we shot last week. No tune at all, no chips, no O2 sensors. You get the idea. Hopefully this works.

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/Movie.wmv

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Wow, I forget what truck this is?
http://www.everwonder.com/david/popeye/brutus.html

[Sixpipes]

Sounds pretty angry! I like it. :tu: :tu:

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

Sounds pretty angry! I like it. :tu: :tu:

I like it!!!:beer:

[Silver_2000]

I had a Buddy come over and shoot the video today along with a bunch of stills. He is having trouble sending me the video via email but I should have it in a day or two.
Here is a picture of the tank and pump set up:
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fred if you need help moving that video file let me know

There are a number of ways to solve the problem depending on how big the file is

[dboat]

That truck sounds awesome..

Dana

[Flats Man]

fred if you need help moving that video file let me know

There are a number of ways to solve the problem depending on how big the file is

Hey Thanks Doug. The video is 309 MB and is on a CD-R but the short clip that I posted gives the general idea and you can hear the Turbo Cam in it. I am bringing the CD-R to Lightning Fest so you can have a look at it there. The truck went into the tube shop on Friday and I am hopefull that it will be out before I leave for Kansas. I hate to say it but I am flying up and renting a car. I am looking forward to seeing everyone there!
Thanks for the comments!:D

[02BOLT]

I hate to hear you won't be bringing the truck Fred. It sounds awesome! I was really looking forward to drooling over that bad boy. Glad you'll be there though.:tu:

[WA 2 FST]

Looks and sounds great; a very cool project nearing completion.:)

Great job on the fuel system. I like the engineering.

[Flats Man]

Looks and sounds great; a very cool project nearing completion.:)

Great job on the fuel system. I like the engineering.

Thanks Wes, I didn't like putting that 90 right after the pump but I wanted to keep the big #10 line out of the tire wash on the right side and also wanted to keep the fuel line inside the frame rail. Anyway, with a 2035 Weldon, it isn't going to run out of fuel! lol

[WA 2 FST]

I wouldn't be too concerned about the 90^ fitting. Those things flow a _lot_. The entire set up doesn't look too much different than what I had on my '90 Mustang (with the exception being that there were lots more ready-made setups for the Fox Mustangs compared to what you had to completely fab from scratch). Can't wait to hear how it does at the track eventually. :)

[Flats Man]

Well they actually got some work done on my truck while I was at Lightning Fest!

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The intercooler tubes go under the frame horns and up through the fender wells.

The Blow through meter and the TB got mocked up as well. The exhaust system and the down pipe are next!

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[Chris94L]

Looks good Fred, it should move when done.

[Sixpipes]

Well they actually got some work done on my truck while I was at Lightning Fest!

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Hey, maybe they're trying to tell you something. :rll:

[Flats Man]

Hey, maybe they're trying to tell you something. :rll:

Good idea! I think I will tell them that I am leaving town for another week because they did nothing to it yesterday! lol:beer:

[Flats Man]

My Truck came back from our Sister Shop yesterday with the Hot section complete, the intercooler pipes done and the Exhaust system complete.
This first picture is the two Bad Boys at the shop.
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This picture is the exhaust tip exiting on the drivers side. The down pipe is 3 inch and that goes through a 3 inch straight through muffler and out the tip.
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This is the hot section. Note the waste gate dump to atmosphere inside the left front fenderwell. After tuning the hot section will be Ceramicoated, and wrapped.

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This is the intake side from the intercooler. I am using a Univer Blow Through into a 95 mm TB and a Wilson elbow.

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[Mark #2]

Don't spill any gas when you fill the front tank, but it doesn't have one correct? and race trucks don't have AC.:cool:

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

Don't spill any gas when you fill the front tank, but it doesn't have one correct? and race trucks don't have AC.:cool:

DOES IT RUN?????:cool:

[Flats Man]

The front tank now has a muffler in it's place! I will get it up on the lift this next week and get some pictures from the underside. It really worked well to bring the down pipe straight back through the front tank cavity and exit in front of the rear wheel. Besides it sounds awesome out of the drivers window!!

Mark, this is Florida.......I kept the A/C

[Flats Man]

DOES IT RUN?????:cool:

I have to install the fuses for the fuel pumps and install the Innovate Fuel/ Air Data Logger and it will be ready to tune. I drove it down the street today! Right now it has a chip for the E4OD and a Chip for the engine managment.

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

I have to install the fuses for the fuel pumps and install the Innovate Fuel/ Air Data Logger and it will be ready to tune. I drove it down the street today! Right now it has a chip for the E4OD and a Chip for the engine managment.


TIMESLIP!!!!:cool:

[T Hogg]

Hey Fred,

It's looking good. Are you going to make it to TFC?

[Flats Man]

Hey Terry, No I won't make it with the truck this year. Next year, I plan to trailer the truck out to Dallas and go with the Texas Possee to Lightning Fest 2007 then leave the truck in Texas until the TFC. I have been following your posts over at NLOC. It is cool that you finally put that thing on a diet! lol Take care!:D

[Flats Man]

I bought an old Cervinis hood for the Gen 1 that did not have provisions for a spring bar to pop the hood up when the latch is pulled. I noticed that on Tobbun's truck, he had a Cervinis with a spring bar. Cervinis installed a metal plate in the later hoods to prevent stressing the fiberglass with the spring bar. I fabbed up a piece of 1/8th inch aluminum and traced the pattern from Tobbun's truck. I finished it yesterday and will finally be installing the Hood tomorrow. Here is what it looks like. The hood is upside down and the front is at the bottom of the picture!

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After the hood is installed, I am installing the F/A equipment and we will tune the truck on the dyno. Right now, I am running a chip for the transmission and a chip for the motor.

[Sixpipes]

Cool. :cool:

[Chris94L]

I like that piece for the hood. The one I just put on my truck is the older version I guess, kinda of like yours with no spring. Plus it shows cracks around the latch area. Since my factory hood already has some rot in some areas, I was thinking about cutting out the latch area and riveting it to the fiberglass hood.

[Flats Man]

I like that piece for the hood. The one I just put on my truck is the older version I guess, kinda of like yours with no spring. Plus it shows cracks around the latch area. Since my factory hood already has some rot in some areas, I was thinking about cutting out the latch area and riveting it to the fiberglass hood.

That should work for you. I was able to put small washers on the underside of the rivits to make sure that they don't pull through.

[Flats Man]

Hey Chris, I ran into a little problem today that could effect you with the mod to your Cervinis hood. The good news is that there is an easy fix for it. I will take some pictures tomorrow and make a post about it. The hood is on and everything is working perfect. When the hood release is pulled, the hood pops up off the spring bar. This is the first time I have had a white hood on my truck in about 6 months!!!
I also came up with a cool hood prop rod off of a Mustang. Those pictures will be up tomorrow as well.

[Flats Man]

Well, here is the Cervinis hood installed with hood pins. I will put up a picture of the Mustang prop rod tomorrow.

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[dboat]

That looks really nice. :tu:

Dana

[BC Lightning]

That hood looks 100 times better on your truck than it did on mine :tu:

[Flats Man]

Thanks Michael!

[Chris94L]

What was the mod you said you had to do? It looks good on there. Mine has a flutter at high speed, not sure if its due to the latch area cracking or what. I really don't want to put pins in there, so if reinforcing it with the stock latch plate doesn't work, I think I'm going to use a couple dzus fasteners on it.

[Flats Man]

Chris, that spring bar will take a lot of flutter out of the hood. My truck had been hit a few times up front so in order to get the hood to fit this good, I took it to a body shop and they readjusted the front fenders. There is a lot of work installing this and adjusting all the latches. Get the spring bar in there and next time out to Texas, bring it over and we will spend some time on it.

[Flats Man]

Chris, this is where the spring bar ended up. With the 1/8th inch aluminum, if the bar is mounted in the stock position on the outside of the hood, it is too strong and makes closing the hood difficult. Here is what it looks like finished.
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Here is the left mounting point for the Mustang prop rod. In order to clear the hood in the closed position, the rod had to be moved out over the radiator. Looks like I have some paint work to do huh?
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Here is the other end.
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[Chris94L]

Looks good. Didn't even notice the Powerstroke cutout at first. Its pretty stealthy painted white

[Flats Man]

Chris, those bottom two pictures look so bad that I was embarrassed and went out and painted the Radiator support bar the next day. I think you will like these "after" pictures a little better. I will be doing this to the whole truck over time.
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[BC Lightning]

Bling Bling :tu:

[Chris94L]

Where did you pick up that aluminum Fred? I think I might just do something like that instead of trying to make the stock hood latch plate work. Same thing, just go all the way up to the hole thats already there and remove those two tiny little pieces that are already there.

[Flats Man]

Hey Chris,
That is 1/8th inch aluminum plate. You may be able to find some at Home Depot. Just trace the pattern off the underside of a stock lightning hood our your stock hood and then lay it out on the plate. If you put a little grease on your finger, you can put washers on the back side of the rivits using the two holes that are in the plate. That way the rivits will not pull through the fiberglass. There isn't much of a load on it anyway! lol You can use your current spring bar or you can get one from Ford for about $15. If you want to trace the pattern off of Tobbun's truck, just let us know! Good luck!
PS There are two spring bars from Ford. The one I have is the wide heavier one and the one on Tobbun's Truck is the narrow one. Both seem to work fine.

[Chris94L]

How is the truck coming along? What are you using for engine management?

[Flats Man]

How is the truck coming along? What are you using for engine management?

I am driving the truck around town right now with two chips in it. It still hasn't been tuned because I just got the boost controller that I was looking for and I am in the process of hooking that up right now. It is a two stage controller that I can set on any boost level I want. Probably 7 lbs on stage 1 and 14 on stage two. My main engine managment system that I am using right now is FEAR!:burnout:

[Chris94L]

Judging from you saying you have 2 chip, do you have a pro-m mass air conversion or something similar?

[Flats Man]

Yes, I have the Pro-M with a Blow through meter and 60 lb injectors. We have all the SCT tuning soft wear for the truck and will be running a chip on the stock computer to control shift points and a chip on the engine managment computer. I think that is going to work but we don't know for sure yet. I will let you know how it turns out. I am installing the boost controler today.:D

[Flats Man]

For those that may have an interest in Turbos, here is the boost controller that I finished installing today! It will be pretty slick because I can run around town with 7 lbs selected, hit the race fuel system button and flip the toggle and I am good for 14 lbs instead of 7. Here are a few pictures.

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Here are the instructions:
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[Flats Man]

I started this thread about two years ago with the build of my Turbo Gen 1. I thought I would bring this thread back because I am finally continuing on this project and there have been some changes in plans.
First, I have had the truck up and running with the Turbo using a chip for engine managment and another chip for the transmission computer. The truck was running at idle and we were just beginning the tuning process of hooking every thing up when the truck backfired and quit running. It would not restart so we pulled the distributor cap off and the rotor was not turning as we hit the starter. To make a real long story short, I had a cast distributor gear running a billet cam! It came out from Texas that way and I had about 2000 miles on the motor. I parked the truck in the back of my shop for about 6 months and finally got the motor out of it about a month ago! We tore the motor down and found metal shavings all through the motor including the mains and cam bearings. The Crank and Cam, pistons and cylinders were OK. So, the motor is at the builders place and I had to make the decision as to what I wanted to do about that Stock block as the other parts of the motor could easily exceed the HP rating of that block. So this is where the story picks back up. I ordered a Sportsman 4 bolt main block for a 3 inch Crank. Turns out they have discontinued that block and only offer it for a 2.75 crank. Not wanting to turn the crank down to 2.75, I am now looking at a Dart block for that motor. Sorry for the length of this post but I had to cover a lot of time span here. I will keep this thread updated with the continued progress on the truck. :tu:

[dboat]

:tu:Fred, thanks for the update and hope things go better on this rebuild..

Dana

[Flats Man]

I am taking the E4OD over to my guy to have him just make a check of it before it goes back into the truck! We will pull it all apart and check all the internals and maybe change the case on it! I will let you know what we find inside the case! It has about 2000 miles on it also! it should be good to go but we will find out tomorrow! I think we may have found the 4 bolt dart Block that we have been looking for! More later:icon_mrgreen:

[ZeusSVT]

This is an interesting read. I wasn't around when it was started but seems like a pretty interesting build. Keep us updated. :tu:

[Flats Man]

I had some surprises today on the transmission. First the good stuff.
1. I got the High Performance Overdrive clutches that I paid for.
2. I got the after market Center support.
3. I had the 6 pinion Forward Planetary
4. And the intermediate Sprag was updated.

Now the bad stuff, keep in mind that were talking about a Performance rebuild that has around 2000 miles on it.
1. The Pump is scored and has to be replaced.
2. The pump bushing is worn and needs to be replaced.
3. Burnt pressure plate and forward clutch drum should have been
replaced but were reused with new clutches.
4. Forward clutches=stock
5. Second Gear=stock clutches (not a bad thing but I ordered Racing)
6. Third Gear and Reverse=stock clutches( same as above)
7. Reinstalled burnt pressure plate top and bottom for second gear.
8. None of the shaft bushings on this 148,000 mile tranny were replaced.

Almost all of the problems with this rebuild can be traced back to one thing! Failure to replace the brass bushings with new ones. The old bushings allowed to much play and wobble of the shafts cause the scoring on the pump, wear on the Sprag and wear on the Center Support. This tranny would not have lived very long with the HP that is going to get thrown at it!

So, inconclusion, I am rebuilding my motor because a $75 dollar steel gear wasn't installed on the distributor when the billet cam was installed. And I am rebuilding my transmission because some $35. bushing weren't installed. Other than that, i have had a pretty good day!

More later!:d

[Flats Man]

I forgot to list the new parts that are going back into the rebuild.
1. Overhaul Kit
2. Intermediate Servo
3. New High Performance Pump (replaces the stock one that I got)
4. Bushing Kit
5. Filter
6. Forward Pressure Plate
7. Second Gear Top and Bottom Pressure Plate
8. Boost Valve
9. One Piece Case Bushing
10. Low Race and Reverse Sprag
11. New Center Support
12. Washer kit
13. Upgrade to newer solinoid block
:d

[Chris94L]

4 bolt main block = more boost...right? *wink wink*

[Flats Man]

4 bolt main block = more boost...right? *wink wink*
Hey Chris, I just want it to live to a ripe old age. I don't plan to go much more than 14 lbs with it.

[Chris94L]

Hey Chris, I just want it to live to a ripe old age. I don't plan to go much more than 14 lbs with it.

Now that we have the low setting figured out on your two stage boost control, what about the high :d:evil

[Flats Man]

Chris! What is the latest on your truck! Did you ever put that blower on it or did you sell the kit? What kind of times are you running? Also, did you fix that aluminum plate for the spring bar on your Cervinis hood? I have been a little out of touch with everyone for about a year or two. I got side tracked on another project and that is finished now! :banana:

[Flats Man]

It looks like I will be buying another case for my rebuild! The case that I had was warped enough so that you could slip a feeler gauge under a straight edge across the valve body portion of the tranny. That is why we found two gaskets instead of one under the valve body! I have another E4OD case and hopefully it will spec out! :mad:

[Chris94L]

Chris! What is the latest on your truck! Did you ever put that blower on it or did you sell the kit? What kind of times are you running? Also, did you fix that aluminum plate for the spring bar on your Cervinis hood? I have been a little out of touch with everyone for about a year or two. I got side tracked on another project and that is finished now! :banana:


I did fix my hood. Its not as pretty as yours, but it does work, and the hood doesn't go up much to show off anyway (and holds down solid with no wobble at speed). I ended up selling the supercharger and other parts, needed money worse than a fast truck at the time. I did change the catback, and it has a small dry shot on it now. Oh and I added a snugtop hard cover and roll pan.

[Flats Man]

Well our trucks are going to look fairly similar. I have a White ARE bed cover and a roll pan and I am going to be installing the three inch drop beams, shackles and Hangers in mine. I had Eibachs and two inch drop shackles before in all the pictures! I traded the Eibachs and shackles for the drop suspension and some cash! :D

[Flats Man]

All the new parts are in for the E4OD so it should be assembled and ready to go this next week! I am having a real hard time finding a 4 bolt Sportsman block with 3 inch crank journals since they stop making that crank a while back! It is starting to look like I will be turning the crank down to fit the newer 4 bolt blocks! The beat goes on! :d

[Flats Man]

Well, I can't find a 4 bolt block with 3 inch crank journals!!!! I also can't turn the crank down to 2.75 because of thrust issues and a few other issues! I have a very nice internal ballanced crank and I don't want to go buy a new 2.75 crank, so it looks like I will have to use the block that I had before! I will just have to keep the boost down lower so that I don't make too much HP! Is that stupid or what! lol I don't know what this Country is coming to when a guy can't find a 4 bolt SBF block with 3 inch journals!
The transmission is all done and sitting back on the transmission jack ready to go back in when the motor is done! I ended up putting $800. worth of parts back into it and that included a new case to replace the warped one. That is the latest!:mad:

[In2deep]

Good grief.!?

[dboat]

Well, I can't find a 4 bolt block with 3 inch crank journals!!!! I also can't turn the crank down to 2.75 because of thrust issues and a few other issues! I have a very nice internal ballanced crank and I don't want to go buy a new 2.75 crank, so it looks like I will have to use the block that I had before! I will just have to keep the boost down lower so that I don't make too much HP! Is that stupid or what! lol I don't know what this Country is coming to when a guy can't find a 4 bolt SBF block with 3 inch journals!
The transmission is all done and sitting back on the transmission jack ready to go back in when the motor is done! I ended up putting $800. worth of parts back into it and that included a new case to replace the warped one. That is the latest!:mad:

are you only looking for a seasoned block or did you look at some of the engine block guys, like Keith Black? Dont know if he has one just asking..

Dana

[Flats Man]

I have been looking at World, Ford Racing, Brodix, and Dart. There used to be a Sportsman 4 bolt block with 3 inch crank journals but they stopped making it because of a lack of demand. I have tried to find NOS blocks in inventory but no luck yet! I will call Summit and see if they have one sitting on a shelf in the back room somewhere! lol I would buy a seasoned block if I could find one! All my rotating assembly is balanced to zero so I am reluctant to start replacing cranks and rods, pistons and flex plates. :nono:

[dboat]

I have been looking at World, Ford Racing, Brodix, and Dart. There used to be a Sportsman 4 bolt block with 3 inch crank journals but they stopped making it because of a lack of demand. I have tried to find NOS blocks in inventory but no luck yet! I will call Summit and see if they have one sitting on a shelf in the back room somewhere! lol I would buy a seasoned block if I could find one! All my rotating assembly is balanced to zero so I am reluctant to start replacing cranks and rods, pistons and flex plates. :nono:

gotcha... just didnt know how far you were willing to go on this one.. but it looks like you have just about turned over all the rocks that you can.. wonder if there is one sitting at a wrecking yard with your name on it? yes, it may be a reach, but just a thought..

Dana

[Flats Man]

Well the motor is being picked up on Wednesday! We found more problems in the heads! My heads were purchased new from Fox Lake and was the second pair that I had purchased from these same Guys. I don't know if any of you have had dealings with Fox Lake but they are very particular about the valve springs that go into their heads. I bought my TFS High Ports assembled with nothing but the best valves and springs installed! Like I said, they are very picky about what brand of springs and what kind of springs go on their products...................Now the rest of the story! My short block has been put back together and my builder was going through his head check process before he installed the heads. I got a call yesterday and he told me that the valve springs were S--T! He said that he could almost push them down with his pinky finger. These springs supposedly did not have much more than 2000 miles on them and they are just cheap weak springs. He also said that they were weaker than a factory stock spring! I will let you draw your own conclusions as to what happened to my springs. Boosted motors don't run very good with weak springs in the heads! I bought a new springs along with new retainers and they are arriving tomorrow!:mad:

[Flats Man]

The Valve springs and keepers came in today! I had to go pick up a 10 AN fitting to weld to the oil pan for the turbo! Hopefully I will pick up the long block tomorrow or Friday at the latest! After that, it will all be in my hands until tuning begins.
I am pretty sure that the intake valves were blowing open under boost with my truck! As long as I kept the boost around 2-3 psi, it would accelerate but if I but my foot in it, it was like blowing the candles out on a Birthday Cake! The truck would just die! This truck had real strong springs in the waste gate and it was not releiving boost. It would go to 16 lbs in a heart beat! At that point, I think the intakes were open on all the cylinders! Not good!

[mustgofaster]

Sounds like some good progress. So how long till it is done?

[Flats Man]

Hey Steve, This is my summer project so I am taking my time putting it back together. I have painted the frame and firewall and still have to clear coat the Oxford White. I will keep you guys posted with the progress. :icon_mrgreen: I would like to bring it back out to Texas and maybe just leave it there.

[mustgofaster]

Thats how I wanted to to my overhaul... slow and perfect. My time & $$$ avail had a different idea though, so maybe next time around. Yours L is going to be one of the nicest on the road when it is finished. Looking forward to the next progress report.

[Flats Man]

More problems with the heads! I am going to have to give Fox Lake a call on this one! As we began to replace the valve springs it was noticed that the spring height was all over the place! New shims were added to adjust for this but some of the barrels had to be machined out to come with in specs. Also, the porting was not much more than 1+, certainly not the Stage Three that I paid for. I am going back through my records for the numbers on these heads and will give Fox Lake a call and see if these numbers match their records! The heads and valve look new but this is not like my last set of modular heads that I got from Fox Lake for sure! I am going to be married to this Gen 1 for a long time! lol :d

[Flats Man]

I picked the motor up yesterday and while it was down, I had a new SFI flex plate balanced to zero with the crank and damper assembly and that will be installed instead of the modified stock one that I had before. I will be out of town for the rest of this week and will begin the assembly work next Monday! That is the latest news.

[BC Lightning]

I picked the motor up yesterday and while it was down, I had a new SFI flex plate balanced to zero with the crank and damper assembly and that will be installed instead of the modified stock one that I had before. I will be out of town for the rest of this week and will begin the assembly work next Monday! That is the latest news.

Is it the double keyed balancer?? I have one on my 5.8L aluminum block, its a really nice piece

[Flats Man]

Is it the double keyed balancer?? I have one on my 5.8L aluminum block, its a really nice piece

I think it is a single key but I am not sure! I will check it out later and let you know!:D

[Flats Man]

Well, I know I need to take some pictures of this but I tore the whole front off of the truck today! I will be installing a new radiator support panel rather than trying to clean up my old rusty dirty one. I will order the new one on Monday and have it painted Oxford White. I will be installing crystal headlites with crystal turns and parking lites. The fire wall was clearcoated today so some progress was made. Pictures later!:icon_mrgreen:

[dboat]

Well, I know I need to take some pictures of this but I tore the whole front off of the truck today! I will be installing a new radiator support panel rather than trying to clean up my old rusty dirty one. I will order the new one on Monday and have it painted Oxford White. I will be installing crystal headlites with crystal turns and parking lites. The fire wall was clearcoated today so some progress was made. Pictures later!:icon_mrgreen:

Fred, that sounds really nice.. post pics soon...

Dana

[Flats Man]

Well I took a few pictures today. I went on Craig's list and found a 1995 Core support that had absolutely no rust on it and it is cleaning up real good. It will be painted Oxford White and installed instead of the rusted throug piece that is on the truck now. Here is the old original core support before it came out of the truck
http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02338.JPG


Here is the painted and clear coated fire wall.
http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02336.JPG

And here is the green core support that I picked up for $50 on Craig's List.
http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02337.JPG

[Chris94L]

I could really use a core support for mine BAD! I guess I will start hitting up craigslist.

I want to paint my truck and it would be nice to get the engine bay but don't think I will have the capability.

[Flats Man]

I could really use a core support for mine BAD! I guess I will start hitting up craigslist.

I want to paint my truck and it would be nice to get the engine bay but don't think I will have the capability.

Chris, If I can do it, anyone can! Just takes time a patience! Go for it!

[Chris94L]

Oh I have the know how to do all the paint and body work, its just a matter of finding the time and money to get done what I want with it. If I tear into it it will become a long term project.

[Flats Man]

Well, I got the old core support out of the truck today and was able to leave the condensor for the A/C still hooked up! I will take this opportunity to paint the new core support and the very front part of the inner fenders.
http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02341.JPG

The Motor and the tranny have been completely rebuilt and they will go in after the paint work is finished in the motor well!
http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02344.JPG

That is the latest progress on the truck! More updates later.

[Chris94L]

looks nice Fred, its gonna be a beast!

[Shiner1]

:tu:

[dboat]

Fred, pretty truck, pretty engine.. the tranny doesnt match.. how about a can of shiny black paint for it too?;)

Dana

[Flats Man]

Fred, pretty truck, pretty engine.. the tranny doesnt match.. how about a can of shiny black paint for it too?;)

Dana

Hey Dana, That is exactly what the tranny is going to get before it goes back in! That was the different case that I ended up buying. I will post some pictures after it is painted! lol :d

[99WhiteBeast]

Looks like you are coming along nicely after the mishap. It probably gave you the extra time to pay attention to all those pesky details.

What A/A intercooler is that?

[Flats Man]

Looks like you are coming along nicely after the mishap. It probably gave you the extra time to pay attention to all those pesky details.

What A/A intercooler is that?

I will get the name that is on it next time out there! It is a pretty Big A$$ intercooler though!

[Flats Man]

I got some more work done today. The Driver's side inside fender well is painted. I still have to finish the pasenger side tomorrow.

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02346.JPG

The transmission is going to get some shiny black paint pretty soon!

The entire front frame has been painted and I will be dropping the motor in pretty soon. I will install the radiator core support after the motor is in and the accessories have been installed. I also painted the condensor after these pictures were taken!

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02348.JPG

[Silver_2000]

looks great !
:tu::tu:

[dboat]

looks great !
:tu::tu:

+1

[Flats Man]

I got the passenger inner fender well cleaned and painted today.

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02352.JPG

And I am about ready to drop the motor in on the mounts and then install the painted new core support!

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02353.JPG

[mustgofaster]

Looking great! I can't wait to see it finished.

[Silver_2000]

:tu::tu:

[Flats Man]

More Stuff done today!

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02354.JPG

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[dboat]

that is so nice... great work!!:tu:

[Shiner1]

I will get the name that is on it next time out there! It is a pretty Big A$$ intercooler though!

I'd be interested in that myself. Might try to see about setting one up for the Vortec.

[Flats Man]

Sorry I didn't get the name of that thing for you Guys by now! I am going out there again tomorrow and will post it up tomorrow evening!

[Flats Man]

The intercooler is marked with "XSPOWER" I did a google search but couldn't find the model number for mine!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=xs+power+intercooler&aq=2s&oq=XSPOWER&aqi=g1g%3As6g1g%3As2

[DamnYankee]

Any progress on this...?

[Flats Man]

I was out to Texas on a little vacation but should be back in the shop this week. I will post up the next progress that I make on the truck with some pictures. Thanks for the interest! :D

[Flats Man]

Well, I fanally got back out to the shop for the first time in over two weeks! I got the first coat of high gloss black on the transmission. Everything is still taped off and the second coat goes on tomorrow.

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02359.JPG

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I also cleaned the alternator bracket and got that mounted on the motor along with the power steering bracket and A/C bracket on the driver's side! Tomorrow, I will finish painting the final coat on the E4OD and continue mounting things back on the core support like the hood latch and brace. I will try to get some pictures of the other side of the core support tomorrow, hook up the power steering pump, and put the alternator and A/C compressor back in their places. That is the latest!:D

[dboat]

Very nice.. glad to see that tranny got a nice coat of shiny paint.. :tu::tu:

Dana

[Shiner1]

Looks nice. I forgot how focking big those trannys are/look.. LOL

[Flats Man]

Looks nice. I forgot how focking big those trannys are/look.. LOL

Those E4OD's are a beast! It takes two pretty strong guys to lift this thing up onto the transmission jack! I am planning to drop the tranny in this weekend! I bought a new SFI flex plate and had it balanced to zero with the crank assembly and installed that about 1 Month ago! Where does the time fly? I did not like the way the power steering bracket and the alternator bracket looked so I took them off and Painted them today and reinstalled them. I also got the center latch support installed and need to adjust that to the hood position. I also installed the tranny clooler and the lines and ran them back to where the transmission will be installed. I did get this picture of the back side of the radiator core support and it shows how clean the "look" is.
http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02360.JPG

The weather is so bad out here, it looks like I will put in another day at the shop tomorrow! I will try to get some pictures of the progress that I have mentioned! Tomorrow I will be painting the cross member and getting everything ready for the transmission install on Saturday! Today I also installed the alternator and the A/C compressor. That is about it for now! thanks for your interest!:icon_mrgreen:

[Flats Man]

Here is some of the progress that I made yesterday! I got the grill support installed and the Hood pins lined up perfectly! That was a concern since I had changed the core support! Everything is closing and latching as it should be. I went ahead and installed the grill support today.
http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02365.JPG

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02366.JPG

I also took the alternator apart and painted everything and reinstalled it today! The A/C compressor is next! I just could not accept that these two parts did not match the rest of the motor. I did not get the tranny installed today, so that will have to wait until I get back from Wisconsin at the end of July! Bummer! I talked to Sixpipes today and hopefully he made some progress on his 95 Gen 1! I will let him report that! that is the latest!:D

[Flats Man]

I am getting real close to firing it up again! Everything is hooked up except the radiator and fan shroud. Fluids will be going in pretty soon!

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[Silver_2000]

Cool !!

[dboat]

absolutely positively gorgeous.. :tu::tu:

Dana

[Flats Man]

Tomorrow is the day we breath life into this thing again! Completely rebuilt motor and transmission. All the fluids are in and I charged the battery and turn the battery switch on and bumped the starter. It turned over!:d We are going to bring the oil pressure up on the motor by going through the distributor and then set the timing and she should start and idle! Keep your fingers crossed!

[mustgofaster]

Looking great! So when I go to St. Pete to visit family, you gonna take me for a ride?:d

[Flats Man]

Looking great! So when I go to St. Pete to visit family, you gonna take me for a ride?:d

Yep, and buy you a cold one! Give me a call next time out!

[mustgofaster]

Yep, and buy you a cold one! Give me a call next time out!

Will do... Prolly around X-Mas if the budget allows... might be next spring/summer though if $$$ is too tight.

[Flats Man]

Well, yesterday, when we pre-oiled it, we found a minor oil leak and fixed that. Then we applied fuel pressure and found a small fuel leak and fixed that! As soon as we got the timing set properly, she fired up! Gotta put some miles on it and shake out some bugs that are probably still in it but the tuning process will begin before long!
This is what we are going to tune the truck with! Check it out.
http://www.moates.net/product_info.php?cPath=31&products_id=199

[Silver_2000]

Sounds great fred

[Ohmsby]

:tu:

[99WhiteBeast]

This is what we are going to tune the truck with! Check it out.
http://www.moates.net/product_info.php?cPath=31&products_id=199

Congrats! The tuning option sounds interesting and the price is right compared to a Tweecer. Let us know how it goes Fred

[Flats Man]

Congrats! The tuning option sounds interesting and the price is right compared to a Tweecer. Let us know how it goes Fred

I pulled the Computer out of the truck yesterday and took it over to the Speed Shop that is doing the tuning! The chip opening has to be cut back just a little bit and a few parts bent down but it will fit back into my Pro-M Mass Air Case.

I am bringing my Son's truck out here in October to do some work on it and will be changing his injectors and using a Quarter Horse on his Speed Density set up! I am planning on putting some Aluminum Heads on it and putting it into the 12's. :d

[Shiner1]

That tuning chip sounds interesting Fred. Lets us know how it comes out. I have been looking at different tuning ideas as well.

[Flats Man]

Well, last week we started the truck and found the MAF meter pegged at 5 volts for some reason. I was using an old Pro-M univer blow through meter. rather than screw around trying to fix this meter, I will be using a SCT BA 5000 Slot style MAF Sensor! Here is the link for it! http://dagostinoracing.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=15017

This piece just came in today and we will have to Fab up a 3 1/2 inch aluminum pipe to install it in. I will take a picture of the finished piece before I install it! This piece will make real nice with the 1/4 Horse Tuning system. It is a 5 wire system and I already had a plug for a Mafia set up and the plug is the same for this device! I should have the MAF fabricated this next week! That is the latest!

[Flats Man]

We got the SCT BA 5000 Slot style MAF Sensor installed in its 3.5 inch tube today! I brought the tube home and polished it a little to make it go with the rest of the truck. I will install it tomorrow and we will attempt another basic tune!

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02378.JPG

From this view it looks like the State of Texas! Eeehaw!

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I will let you Guys know what happens tomorrow!

[Silver_2000]

how big was the tube it came in ?

the MAF is designed to work in a specific size tube ....

Air passing the wire cools the wire , complicated math extrapolates to the total volume of air passing the sensor based on know tube volume .. blah blah blah

[Flats Man]

Got it covered Doug! You are right, you can't put this in any size tube with out knowing all the numbers for this device in a certain size of tube. The Slotted Meter comes with a card that gives all the readings from 2.5 inches to, I believe, 4 inches of tube. I could post up the card if your interested or send it to you in an email. It is pretty interesting for the math types! lol

[Ohmsby]

A turbo lightning is a marriage of Gear heads and Einsteins and when one runs well it is it's own nirvana

[Silver_2000]

Got it covered Doug! You are right, you can't put this in any size tube with out knowing all the numbers for this device in a certain size of tube. The Slotted Meter comes with a card that gives all the readings from 2.5 inches to, I believe, 4 inches of tube. I could post up the card if your interested or send it to you in an email. It is pretty interesting for the math types! lolfigured you had it handled - just double checking :tu::tu:

[Shiner1]

Any updates Fred? How's the CPU coming along?

[Flats Man]

I am having trouble with the slotted MAF meter and I am still working on it! I am flying out to Dallas tomorrow and will get back on the project when I get back home in a week! Thanks for your interest! :D

[mustgofaster]

Any new progress? I might have to blow your doors of with a crappy rental car when I'm there for Xmas!:burnout::santa2

[Flats Man]

Hey Steve,
When are you going to be here? We will try to get together and visit the shop! I haven't worked on my truck for about two months as it has been a very busy Fall! SCT sent me a new Slotted Meter and found that I had fried the first one. We are checking the wiring from Pin to Pin this next week before I put the new meter in! Not fun popping new meters at about $250 each! As soon as I check the ground, hot, and signal in and signal out wiring, I will put the new meter in and try it again! Thanks for the interest! :d

[mustgofaster]

Yah, $250.00 is painful to pop. Hopefully all the bugs are worked out so you can start enjoying your Gen1. Of course, building it is fun too!
We'll be there from the 20th, until the 1st, so hopefully we can catch up.:beer:

[Flats Man]

We are leaving for Atlanta on the 23rd for 5 days so be sure to call me as soon as you get into town. I will PM you my cell phone number. Merry Christmas!

[mustgofaster]

We are leaving for Atlanta on the 23rd for 5 days so be sure to call me as soon as you get into town. I will PM you my cell phone number. Merry Christmas!

Will do! Thanks for the invite!

[Flats Man]

I put in a little time on the truck today and Had my shop buddy come out and sort out my wiring problem with the new Mass Air Meter. I had the positive and negative wires correct but had the signal in and signal out reversed. :nono: I corrected that issue and once again I am ready to install the new Slotted Meter and get on with the tuning again. That will happen after the Christmas Holidays. I am also installing the new Crystal Head Set. That is the latest! Merry Christmas and Happy new Year to you all!

[Flats Man]

I had a nice visit with Steve and his Dad today! I will let Steve tell you about the VW Rail Dragster and the 2005 GT Mustang twin turbo big block!

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[mustgofaster]

Had a great Visit! Thanks for the shop tour. That VW Dragster & the 600CI Mustang are insane! My fav of the bunch is your Gen1 though... Maybe I'm a little partial to Gen1 Lightnings, but the way that yours is put together is amazing. I love the attention to detail.
Do you know what the max HP/TQ was on the VW when it was done? I know that when we were there, they were up to 700, but not 100% happy with it.

Thanks again for showing us around. It was a nice end to the vacation. Next time we'll have to do lunch.

Steve

[Flats Man]

Hey Steve, glad you made it back home safely! It is still very cold here in Florida so I haven't been out to the shop since the day we were there. Here is one of the pictures that I took of the one of a kind VW motor and the last that I heard is that they were having touble with it falling off big time at the top end. So far it is 700 RWHP at 28 lbs of boost. I don't know the torque number but will get it for you. Enjoy!
http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02398.JPG

[Flats Man]

Here is the latest on the Turbo Gen 1. We finally sorted out the wiring problems and got the Computer responding to the Quarter Horse tuning. The Truck starts right up and runs like a champ and the idle is perfect. We were seting up the timing and pulled the spout plug and set initial at 10 degrees BTDC, Put the spout plug back in and noticed no change in the timing. Increased the RPM and still no change in the timing so apparently the Computer is not controling the timing. Monday, I will replace the Spout Module and see if that changes anything and then replace the computer and see if that works! Just posting up so that you have an update. I am very close to having this thing on the dyno as soon as I solve the spout plug issue! Anyone have any ideas?
I have reassembled the front of the truck and had the front bumper repainted and installed Crystal head lites and corners. It looks pretty sharp and I will try to get some pictures of it on Monday!

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02380.JPG

[Silver_2000]

Cool

Waiting Impatiently for a video

[Flats Man]

This has been a heart break of a build! At my age, this is probably my last one. I will get a video of the dyno run! I still have to install the drop beams and then it will be pretty much done except for paint and carpet!

[mustgofaster]

Looking great! Sounds like you are almost there.:tu:

[Flats Man]

I took the picture of the finished front of the truck today. new radiator Core Support, repainted front bumper and crystal heads and corners.

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02466.JPG

[dboat]

Fred, that looks really nice.. :tu::tu:

Dana

[Shiner1]

:tu:

[Flats Man]

Finally some progress on the tune! We had the truck running like a champ on the Quarter Horse and then saved that file and loaded it into a SCT Super Chip. I installed the chip and was back to square one! The truck would not stay running. We then loaded the file into a chip from Quarter Horse and bingo! We were setting the timing and pulled the spout plug and set 10 degrees initial and when we reinstalled the spout, no change in timing! We increased the rpm and still no change in timing so I have another issue that I am tracking down. Has anyone seen this before? I have changed the spout module to no avail. It is a good thing that this is just a hobby or I would be going nuts with this project! lol
Also, we discovered that the O2 sensors need to be replaced, which is not surprising considering all the charcoal that I have blown past them on the many tune attempts over the past year! :d

[Flats Man]

New O2 Sensor and oil Change done a few days ago. I dropped the rear tank and replaced the intake pump with a new 255 L/Hr pump. I put the License plate on it and drove it to the gas station and filled it up with 93. When I got back to the shop, I put the original computer back in the truck and that fixed the spout plug problem that I was having! So, I just have to set the timing and take it to the dyno! Hopefully I will have some numbers soon! :d knana

[dboat]

Thats great news... :tu::tu::nana2

Dana

[Flats Man]

I set the timing yesterday at 10 degrees initial with the spout plug out and got 23 degrees with the plug back in. I even washed and detailed the truck! I am scheduled for the Dyno next week. :tu:

[mustgofaster]

Excellent! That is some good news! Looking forward to hearing some #'s next week. Congrats on all the hard work, Fred. You have a beautiful truck there!

[Flats Man]

Well I went to the Dyno today and we made our first full run in the late afternoon. The first run blew off an intercooler hose but I have the video of that in my album. I had 10 degrees initial timing and we ran 13 lbs of boost to 6000 RPM. 650.7 RWHP and very close to 650 on Torque with a fat F/A of 10.8 at the top. We will refine that tune next week and go to maybe 15 lbs of boost but I am very happy with those numbers.

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/MOV02474.MPG

[Silver_2000]

sounds great
both the movie and the description
You need to do better than that little tease of a movie though ....knana

[Flats Man]

I will do a better Movie next week. Check out the video where I blew off the intercooler hose! Pretty funny!

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/MOV02473.MPG :nono:

[99WhiteBeast]

Wow Fred- impressive!! Interesting dyno setup too

[Sixpipes]

Always loved the sound of a turbo. Nice numbers...now will you have the stuff to put it to the floor? :D

[Flats Man]

Always loved the sound of a turbo. Nice numbers...now will you have the stuff to put it to the floor? :D

Nuha! lol :D

[Sixpipes]

OK. Here is a little story about why turbo trucks scare me....

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This truck has a big-block turbo setup and is from the second Lightningfest in Topeka, KS. I got matched up against him in the True Street event we had that Saturday AM. Check out his drag radials. :eek:

My 99 had 20" street tires on.

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Needless to say when we launched, the Gen I leaped out of the hole ahead of me and steadily pulled away to mid track...where his rears broke loose as the boost and horsepower continued to build. He then commenced to fishtail all the way to the finish where he tripped the lights at 11.00 sec ET. It was so scary that I backed off the gas expecting him to come into my lane at some point...or worse. The guy never backed off the gas and I talked to him after the run about his little ride; no big deal to him apparently, but it scared the crap out of me just watching.

My point is; turbo power is so smooth and so subtle (subtul as pronounced in Southern Oklahoma) that the rears can break loose even at high speeds and you may not know it until it is too late to catch. See also Frank's little fender bender in his turbo truck at Lightningfest V.

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/6138/medium/2007-09-22_15-47-14DSC_4478.jpg

So I asked Flatsman the question because no way would I have the guts to do it....on the street at least. :evil

[Flats Man]

Well, the insanity continues! I had Eibach drop springs in this truck and decided to put drop beams on it. I put the stock springs back on the truck and took some pictures of the front with the 255-60-15's on it. I also measured the height of the air dam from the floor and came up with 9 1/2 inches for the stock height. So far I have pulled the right I-beam off the truck and will be putting in all new ball joints and tie-rod joints, new bearings, rotors and pads. I have painted the beams, spindle, torsion bar mount, etc and will assemble the right side the first of this next week. :D

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[Flats Man]

The right side I-Beam installation is finished now. The install is pretty straight forward but cleaning and painting the parts is what takes time. I had new upper and lower ball joints press in and had the Rotors turned. I knocked out the wheel bearings and races and installed new ones and also installed new brake pads. The radius bars got new bushings as well.

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02498.JPG

The sway bar links were too close to the tie rod and the coil springs so I unbolted the bar and reinstalled it on the outside of the pan instead of the inside. The sway bar will be at about the angle that it is in the picture. Then I will get Ford part # F81Z-5K483-BB and use that part to link up to the sway bar perch at the base of the coil springs.

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I have the driver's side I-Beam off the truck right now and will do all the same to that side. Should be finished and have it back on its wheels next week.

[Sixpipes]

Looks really nice. You have a lot more patience with stuff like that than I do. Working with the suspension still on the truck has got to be a pain. :tu:

[Flats Man]

Well I sat the truck on the ground today for the first time since I started installing the beams. This is the way that the sway bar turned out with the 1999 F250 Super Duty links installed.
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The wheels tuck into the wells pretty nice. They will actually sit a little lower than this after I roll the truck forward a little.
http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC02504.JPG

The air dam is 6 inches off the shop floor.
http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC025051.JPG

I am getting it aligned this next week and then will start to drive it finally!:D

[Sixpipes]

6 inches sounds about right. Ronny's sits at about 6.5 inches, but we used Ford Bronco springs that are about an inch taller than stock Lightning ones. :cool:

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/6108/ronnies_truck_by_z06nut.jpg

Nice shot of Ronny's truck (Bell Tech I-beams) and Trevor's (DJM I-beams) on the way back from L-Fest. :)

[Flats Man]

Well it has turned into a really fast Daily Hauler! I am driving it every day now while I go through my Supercrew. I have some paint work and maintenance to do on that truck so I am giving it a rest and putting some miles on the Gen 1.

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[WA 2 FST]

very cool. glad you are enjoying it!!

[Shiner1]

Very Nice!!:tu:

[mustgofaster]

Looks great, Fred. That has got to be a blast to drive around town!

[Flats Man]

thanks Guys, this is the fastest thing I have ever driven and it has very nice manners around town. I don't know what the 0-60 is yet but I am betting on around 3 seconds. My other truck did 0-60 in 3.4 with slicks and it can't touch this one! Anyway, thanks for the comments!:d

[Silver_2000]

sweet

must feel good

[Flats Man]

Thanks Doug. I think that is my last Major Build! :tu:

[Moonshine]

Very nicely done, Fred. :tu:

[T Hogg]

Lookn good Fred. I bet it feels really good to be back on the road again.

[Flats Man]

Thanks Guys, I don't think too many "Shop Trucks" can run with this old farm truck! I am driving it every day right now and it is a hoot. Right now the back is loaded with T-Bucket parts that I am taking around town to get repaired or replaced! I have a smile on my face all day long so I guess the long build was worth it!

[Sixpipes]

Check it out...

http://www.nloc.net/vbforum/truck-month-totm/210872-february-2011-totm-congratulations-fred-flats-man-glenn-nloc-1636-a.html

[Shiner1]

Very nice Fred!!:tu:

[mustgofaster]

Congrats on the TOTM!

[Moonshine]

Very nice Fred. :tu: Well deserved recognition for you and the truck.


BTW, do you happen to know whatever became of my Gen II after you sold it?

[Flats Man]

Very nice Fred. :tu: Well deserved recognition for you and the truck.


BTW, do you happen to know whatever became of my Gen II after you sold it?

That is a bit of a long story but here goes. I bought your Gen 11 to originally leave in Dallas for my Son to drive and for me to drive when we visited our Grandkids. My Son got hooked on Gen 1's and the Red and Black came on the market and we bought that one which meant that I needed to sell your Gen 11. I drove your Gen 11 to Florida and was going to put it on the market but a friend of mine wanted it and I sold it to him for the same price you sold it to me. It was agreat looking truck! He kept the truck for about a year and needed more room because they had a Son, and he sold it to a local Guy and I think I see it every now and then. It still looks good and the Guy seems to be taking care of it. Do you want me to try to track it down for you? I had L8 Apex take the higher springs off the back and put the stock ones back on and I really detailed the motor and that was all that I did to your truck. There are times that I wish I still had it but I just have too many vehicles. Thanks for a great truck.

[Moonshine]

That is a bit of a long story but here goes. I bought your Gen 11 to originally leave in Dallas for my Son to drive and for me to drive when we visited our Grandkids. My Son got hooked on Gen 1's and the Red and Black came on the market and we bought that one which meant that I needed to sell your Gen 11. I drove your Gen 11 to Florida and was going to put it on the market but a friend of mine wanted it and I sold it to him for the same price you sold it to me. It was agreat looking truck! He kept the truck for about a year and needed more room because they had a Son, and he sold it to a local Guy and I think I see it every now and then. It still looks good and the Guy seems to be taking care of it. Do you want me to try to track it down for you? I had L8 Apex take the higher springs off the back and put the stock ones back on and I really detailed the motor and that was all that I did to your truck. There are times that I wish I still had it but I just have too many vehicles. Thanks for a great truck.

Cool deal. I'm just glad to know it's still alive and in good hands. I have many fond memories in that truck. :tu:

[Ohmsby]

:tu:

[Shiner1]

Cool deal. I'm just glad to know it's still alive and in good hands. I have many fond memories in that truck. :tu:

If interested, you may want to log-on to www.lightningrodder.com (http://www.lightningrodder.com) as there are a ton of Florida guys on that site and the new owner might be found there.

[Moonshine]

If interested, you may want to log-on to www.lightningrodder.com (http://www.lightningrodder.com) as there are a ton of Florida guys on that site and the new owner might be found there.

Bingo! His name is Joe and he's flsvt on lightningrodder. The truck looks fantastic! I'm thrilled that it found a good home and is still prowling the street. I sent him a PM but haven't heard back yet. Thanks for the tip John. :tu:

[Shiner1]

Bingo! His name is Joe and he's flsvt on lightningrodder. The truck looks fantastic! I'm thrilled that it found a good home and is still prowling the street. I sent him a PM but haven't heard back yet. Thanks for the tip John. :tu:


You are welcome sir!! :tu:

[Moonshine]

Made contact with him and exchanged a few emails. We're trading pics. Man, the truck looks great! :beer: And still running strong with 187k miles on the clock.

[Flats Man]

Made contact with him and exchanged a few emails. We're trading pics. Man, the truck looks great! :beer: And still running strong with 187k miles on the clock.

Hey Brian, I am also talking to Joe out here in Florida. I told him what happened to the Buckets. I forgot all about that. Your buckets ended up in Go_rila and Go_rila's seat ended up in your 2000. I needed the extra seat for the Grand Kids. Your Bucket mod still resides in Go_rila!

[Moonshine]

Cool. Glad they went to a good home, as well. :tu: