Shelby GT500 at North Central Ford!!

[tliss]

Just got back from North Central Ford in Richardson. Just went to see what they had on the lot and right there was the Shelby. Looks absolutely awesome in person! I would love to get my hands on one of those bad boys. Sticker price is just over $43K, but get this...."market adjustment" is about $32K:eek2: . Dealer's asking price is $75K :rll: . You know there is some schmoe out there that will pay it, but damn....

Tom

[tiffo60]

there was a kid that rolled up in one last week at hooters, if i would have known he paid that for it might have been a little:hammer: going on

[BC Lightning]

Just got back from North Central Ford in Richardson. Just went to see what they had on the lot and right there was the Shelby. Looks absolutely awesome in person! I would love to get my hands on one of those bad boys. Sticker price is just over $43K, but get this...."market adjustment" is about $32K:eek2: . Dealer's asking price is $75K :rll: . You know there is some schmoe out there that will pay it, but damn....

Tom

saw one rollin in southlake on southlake blvd about a week ago, driver looked like he was 16-17

[wesman]

saw one rollin in southlake on southlake blvd about a week ago, driver looked like he was 16-17

I really don't like rich parents sometimes.....wonder if it's actually the kids car, if so I wonder if he'll see 19

--wes

[02BOLT]

What color was the one at North Central, Tom? I still haven't seen one in person yet. Hear tell they had a red w/ white stripe coupe at Texan Ford a couple weeks ago, but when I went by to check it out, it had just been sold...for $70K!! Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the car, but for $70K, I'm thinking C6 ZO6 all the way.

Still, I look forward to seeing a Tungsten Gray w/ Satin Silver striped coupe, dropped a couple inches, with some phat-ass wheel/tire combo(Fikse Profil 5 wheels on 315mm Drag Radials for example), a KB, tune, gears and exhaust. They may be heavy as hell, but they'll still be very streetable 10 second capable street cars.

If production runs the 3-5 years, at 7-8000 units per year, that's being reported, then these ridiculous dealer "adjustments" should calm down eventually. Guess we'll see.

[tliss]

What color was the one at North Central, Tom? I still haven't seen one in person yet. Hear tell they had a red w/ white stripe coupe at Texan Ford a couple weeks ago, but when I went by to check it out, it had just been sold...for $70K!! Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the car, but for $70K, I'm thinking C6 ZO6 all the way.

Still, I look forward to seeing a Tungsten Gray w/ Satin Silver striped coupe, dropped a couple inches, with some phat-ass wheel/tire combo(Fikse Profil 5 wheels on 315mm Drag Radials for example), a KB, tune, gears and exhaust. They may be heavy as hell, but they'll still be very streetable 10 second capable street cars.

If production runs the 3-5 years, at 7-8000 units per year, that's being reported, then these ridiculous dealer "adjustments" should calm down eventually. Guess we'll see.

It was red with white stripes. Looked sharp as all hell, but no way I'd drop $75K on it.

Tom

[TP Derrick D]

there was 2 on display at Yellow Rose Classic this past weekend. a coupe and a 'vert , both blue. yeah Rob, Im with you about the wheels, they got to go.

[Logan]

Hello. I drive a GT500. I'm gay. I like wasting my money. How bout you **** me up the ass.

[WA 2 FST]

Hello. I drive a GT500. I'm gay. I like wasting my money. How bout you **** me up the ass.

Tell us how you really feel, Logan. :rll:

[LivinEZ]

...$70K!! Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the car, but for $70K, I'm thinking C6 ZO6 all the way.

If production runs the 3-5 years, at 7-8000 units per year, that's being reported, then these ridiculous dealer "adjustments" should calm down eventually. Guess we'll see.

going for 60K+ on ebay... the thing is, it is new and it is Shelby...z06 isn't really anything special...Vetts will be around for some time so value isn't there.

http://motors.search.ebay.com/Shelby-GT500_eBay-Motors_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR40QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ3QQs acatZ6000QQsbrsrtZl

[dboat]

...z06 isn't really anything special...Vetts will be around for some time so value isn't there.

http://motors.search.ebay.com/Shelby-GT500_eBay-Motors_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR40QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ3QQs acatZ6000QQsbrsrtZl

Not to :throw: , but I would strongly disagree, they are very special.. a world class supercar for 70k... that IS something special.. besides a Shelby just looks like another 'stang.

Dana

[wesman]

Not to :throw: , but I would strongly disagree, they are very special.. a world class supercar for 70k... that IS something special.. besides a Shelby just looks like another 'stang.

Dana

and they're making 9k of them a year, hardly a limited edition car

--wes

[Mark #2]

Not to :throw: , but I would strongly disagree, they are very special.. a world class supercar for 70k... that IS something special.. besides a Shelby just looks like another 'stang.

Dana
New Black Z06 parked next to me in the parking garage at work yesterday, looked pretty special to me.;)

[dboat]

and they're making 9k of them a year, hardly a limited edition car

--wes

yep, and in my book each and every one of them is pretty special.. I am a former 'stang owner and luv them.. but the new Z06 is pretty special.. the 'stang wont even touch it.

Dana

[LivinEZ]

yep, and in my book each and every one of them is pretty special.. I am a former 'stang owner and luv them.. but the new Z06 is pretty special.. the 'stang wont even touch it.

Dana

They're just another chevy...:d :evil They look like every other vett out there to me.

Shelby stands out from all mustangs....Different front end, hood, rear end, deck lid, sound, and badging all around.

I guess if you are a chevy lover, you would notice the difference with the z06...But I'm strictly a Ford man. Like the Lightning, Shelby stangs will not stay in production. You can get the latest powerhouse vette every year. That is all I'm trying to say.

[Logan]

You're an idiot.

[LivinEZ]

You're an idiot.

That's original...:rolleyes:

Everyone has an opinion...like other things :rll:

[dboat]

You're an idiot.


which one of us.. or is this just a blanket statement for all that posted to this thread?

Dana

[LivinEZ]

which one of us.. or is this just a blanket statement for all that posted to this thread?

Dana

No Dana, I think he meant that for me... This is good stuff when you can stir the pot this much over two cars...:rll: (This is a Lightning/Ford site right?)

[Logan]

That's awfully presumptuous of you... I belt it out without prejudice.... You're all idiots. :D

[dboat]

That's awfully presumptuous of you... I belt it out without prejudice.... You're all idiots. :D

cute.. :rolleyes:

Dana

[TP Derrick D]

I'm with you LivinEZ, I'd get the Shelby also, there's a billion Vettes out there,granted the Z06 is a step above a regular Vette but it looks like all other Vettes to non car enthusiast.I know the hood vent,side scoop and wheels are different but I'm an enthusiast. Lot of people don't see much different between a Lightning and a regular F-150 either, except a body kit for Gen 2's.For me It's Shelby GT500,Saleen Stage 3 or Roush Stage 3 but i'd really like to have a GT500E Super Snake aka "ELEANOR". But that's just me.

[LivinEZ]

I'm with you LivinEZ, I'd get the Shelby also, there's a billion Vettes out there,granted the Z06 is a step above a regular Vette but it looks like all other Vettes to non car enthusiast.I know the hood vent,side scoop and wheels are different but I'm an enthusiast. Lot of people don't see much different between a Lightning and a regular F-150 either, except a body kit for Gen 2's.For me It's Shelby GT500,Saleen Stage 3 or Roush Stage 3 but i'd really like to have a GT500E Super Snake aka "ELEANOR". But that's just me.

:tu: :tu: :tu: :tu: I knew there was another true ford man out there with the taste of uniqueness. "ELEANOR" would be sweet!! Logan can keep :crying:

[WA 2 FST]

Guys, it really is all about what each individual wants/expects out of a car and the $$ they put into it.

Having owned the big, bad Saleen S351 I can tell you that from the factory it is a poser car. So is the Roush. Sorry if that's offensive to some, but its the truth _if_ you are concerned about performance. If you just want to drive around looking cool... then they are a good option (albeit very expensive for what you really get).

The GT500, assuming it can be had for sticker, is a good buy. For anywhere near $70k, its a friggin' joke.

If they are making 9000 of them, then they really aren't any more rare than a C6 Z06. And the fact is that your GT500 still shares the same chassis as 50,000 V6 Mustangs. :rolleyes:

But see... that's just me. I'd rather have something that speaks softly, but carries a big stick.

<---C5 Z06 that looks/sounds bone stock

[Lyfisin]

Saleen and Roush Mustangs are all aftermarket productions right? i.e. you can't order that package directly from Ford?

[StormShadow]

I saw a white w/ blue stripes today driving down Wintergreen. Had blue plates on it (Michigan?).

[TP Derrick D]

Guys, it really is all about what each individual wants/expects out of a car and the $$ they put into it.

Having owned the big, bad Saleen S351 I can tell you that from the factory it is a poser car. So is the Roush. Sorry if that's offensive to some, but its the truth _if_ you are concerned about performance. If you just want to drive around looking cool... then they are a good option (albeit very expensive for what you really get).

The GT500, assuming it can be had for sticker, is a good buy. For anywhere near $70k, its a friggin' joke.

If they are making 9000 of them, then they really aren't any more rare than a C6 Z06. And the fact is that your GT500 still shares the same chassis as 50,000 V6 Mustangs. :rolleyes:

But see... that's just me. I'd rather have something that speaks softly, but carries a big stick.

<---C5 Z06 that looks/sounds bone stock


Don't take it personal wa 2 fas, I told you last year you was a Chevy man. You said you wasn't , but your posts say different. So you don't like Saleens/Roush, thats you. The Z06 is not a rare car. I see several every day.
So what, you like them ,that's cool for you or anyone else that like them. I know several guys that had Z06's and traded them in for Mustangs after they got their pride handed to them by a Mustang. When you had a Mustang I'm sure it was all that, now you got a Vette and its all that and anyone that like Mustangs is not carrying a big stick....and oh by the way some of the Vettes parts are used on GM's Caddys coupes & sedans.

[TP Derrick D]

Saleen and Roush Mustangs are all aftermarket productions right? i.e. you can't order that package directly from Ford?
Correct, they are built in Saleens( Irvine, California )facility & Roush facility somewhere in Michigan(I know the city, I forgot) .But sold through select Ford dealerships. You can buy the individual parts from each manufacture.

[LivinEZ]

Saleen and Roush Mustangs are all aftermarket productions right? i.e. you can't order that package directly from Ford?

Correct. The Shelby is a ford product like the Lightning and is no "Poser" (WA 2 FST) at 500hp...and can't be put in the same category as Roush or Saleen. And the cars are selling at 60K, don't know where a dealership thinks they can get 70+. I called Texan ford and they said they would get me one for 60K (still a 25K profit). The prices are on the thoughts, as in the past, the shelby will go away again and in a country of millions of car drivers, a few thousand is limited. It is all about the special name, the legend that is Shelby.

...the z06 will still be able to be bought.

[WA 2 FST]

First of all, you guys are taking my comments and construing them in a way that is incorrect. I _never_ said the GT500 was a poser. Never. Go back and re-read the post, please. I said the Saleen and Roush are and I stand by that... from a _performance_ standpoint. I had an S-351 (supercharged one). I know from experience...and mine was in pristine shape and ran as well as any of them. If you haven't had one, you can talk all you want.... :rolleyes: I got fortunate and bought it as a 1 yr old car, and was able to sell it for a small profit. Whew!

Go buy one and see how happy you are after 6 months to a year of getting your arse handed to you. They _are_ very nice cars to look at, and that's about the extent of it.

What I did say was that the GT500 is a good buy (actually the only thing in its class) at sticker. If I had extra garage space and $48k to blow (assuming I could get one at sticker) then I would buy a convertible. Since I don't, you'll just have to trust me on that. But that's how highly I think of the car. :)

Derrick... you're half right. I'm a performance car guy. I'm not brand loyal. Give me the best performing product for the price I can afford. In the late-80's through mid-90s that was a Mustang. That has not been the case for awhile now. It disappoints me to say that, but a 300hp Mustang GT is carrying a knife to a gunfight these days. Notice I still have not said anything negative about the GT500 except that at $65-70k it is overpriced. Obviously those who have to have the latest and greatest are willing to pay that... maybe you included. Just like those who were willing to pay $95+k for the C6 Z06, I think that's absurd. But then again, those people can obviously afford to make a foolish monetary decision and still be able to put food on the table.

There is no argument from me about which will be out of production in a few years. Of course Ford will lay that egg ... they've done it over and over and proven that they can build a good performing car, only to cut the consumer off at the balls and pull it off the table. Yes, a Z06 will still be able to be bought... GM's been building Vettes since '53.

I couldn't care less what the value of the car is in 10-15 years... nothing I have will be in a bubble. If the point is that paying $60k for one will somehow be justified 5-10 yrs down the road, then that is a poor argument. It will depreciate like everything else, even if not at the same rate. Just like the '03-04 Cobra is taking a severe beating right now, the same will happen when there are 30,000 GT500's out there...Shelby name or not.

But please understand I was _not_ trying to put the GT500 in the same class as the Saleen/Roush. Those things aren't worth squat. Talk about depreciation. Now's the time to buy a slightly used one. They're going cheap! They are "rare" if you're talking about late model production #s, and they still have depreciated like a falling rock. The market has dictated that. So its not just me talking. :)

[Lyfisin]

As you said Wes, it's all about what each individual person expects/wants.

It's pretty clear from all of your posts that you're seriously into performance. I haven't heard you speak one sentence about you adding a mod to a vehicle that didn't give it some kind of quality gain in handling or HP. Certainly nothing wrong with that.

Me, I'm a combo/looks kind of guy. When I added my hood, I knew it was heavy and I didn't buy the kit that connects directly into the intake. I bought it strictly for looks.

I've talked to Derrick a couple of times and while he appreciates performance, he also likes limited production vehicles and, while they're not really a production vehicle, the Saleen's and Roush's are pretty rare.

Personally, I think it's cool the market gives us so many cool toys for everyone to play with, no matter what you're looking for.

[WA 2 FST]

As you said Wes, it's all about what each individual person expects/wants.


Yes, this point cannot be missed. I meant it when I said it.



Personally, I think it's cool the market gives us so many cool toys for everyone to play with, no matter what you're looking for.

Agreed!:)

[L8 APEX]

Hmm, lets see what my keyboard can poop out:D . I have a few opinions of my own. The C5 Z06 was a safe bet by GM it was only about 7K more than base cars and sold like hotcakes. They took it a step further with the C6 model and widened the distance between the two. The new model has different wider body panels, a frickin' dry sump 427! etc.. It has once again repeated Corvette's world renouned reputation on performance. Shelby is a cool old dude I can't believe he is still getting in bed with Ford, again. He should stay with his own production line of specialty cars. I don't like Jack Roush, mainly from bad dealings with his company on parts availability and the lame Stangs he sells his name to like the 360R, ooh I'm so scared! Saleen was the same class of pretty boy sticker, body work clown until the release of the S7 that is a real car. Most stangs and camaros have been branded as kids cars by society for years. Corvettes use to be for old guys until the C5 came along that is when the younger generation came into them. When I was in school the driver for our TransAm series car owned a slue of nice cars I would druel over. He had an 85'sh? McClaren Capri, then he traded that on an 87 or 88 Saleen Mustang LX? I drueled over that car whenever I saw it! He kept it until 98 I think and sold it for 12K with 53K miles on it flawless. Camaros were the slowest car you could by from 74-92. I had an 85 with the HO 305 it was a pig until I went through the engine. It was carbureted BTW, good ol' Q-Jet. Then I bought an 88 5.0 during the Vanilla Ice era. I loved that car and I knew it was a rattle trap POS to begin with. I ran the off road Hpipe and Flows dumped like a lot of guys did. It sounded like the shizzle. I had the stock 2.73 rear end which had a unique capability I liked to show off. I could downshift to 2nd gear at 70mph or below and it would bark the tires on the highway. Very much a Joe Dirt moment but I was proud back then. Those infamous Turbine wheels were impossible to keep clean but I loved them just the same. 265's in the rear and 225's in the front. Subframe connectors welded in to keep the car from folding in two. Then I bought my first C5 I liked the way people gave them props and I didn't get harrassed by the cops. The cops viewed Corvettes as mature compared to the punk stigma given to Camaros and Mustangs:D . I have not driven the new Stang I can only assume they fixed the braking and handling short comings of the old fox body cars. I have learned a little from every type of car I have owned and enjoyed the journey. Much like women we all choose different features for our own reasons and will defend them vehemently as shown on this thread. I hate when dealers gouge the customer but that is just supply and demand at work. Cars are a great passion that will out live us all. I feel we are all voicing our love for the automobile here, that we have in common at least:tu: .
I have been saving a pic just for this ocassion.
Pooh and Piglet back together again!
http://content26.bigoo.ws/content/gif/cartoon/cartoon_8.gif

[02BOLT]

Well said Bad Terry. Enjoyable read too.:D

[LivinEZ]

Well said Bad Terry. Enjoyable read too.:D

+1 :d

[Lyfisin]

<3 Piglet

[tliss]

<<snippy snip>>

Pooh and Piglet back together again!
http://content26.bigoo.ws/content/gif/cartoon/cartoon_8.gif

I feel the love! :banana:

Tom

[TP Derrick D]

Wa 2 Fst,
Its not always about 0-60, 1/4 mile times, at least not for me. yeah I got a 10-low 11 sec Stang and a mildly modded L , 2 different things,but I bought them because of the performance,look and rare #'s of the L, and the color and 5.0 engine in my Stang.I always have liked a vehicle not everyone got,even 30 years ago.I use to be a GM guy until 1987 & While I'm a die hard Ford man now,I ,like you tell the truth about vehicles. To that I add Dodge & GM is way ahead of Ford in "performance" vehicles right now but like I said its not always about performance ,if it was the LS1 F-bodies would not have went to the car graveyard in 2002,and the Holden GTO after this year. They "out performed" the lowly Mustang but the Mustang outsold them combined more that 2 -1.And yeah,V6 out sell V8's. Like you stand by your statements ,I stand by mine,(me myself & I )still like the Saleen & Roush Mustangs. I like talking to you(even tho you are a Chevy man:rolleyes: )because at least you know a little about the car world, unlike a lot of people on here.
By that,I mean, I read a lot of the posts and a lot of the (past & current) posts it appeared that people want John Force #'s in the 1/4 mile but want to pay Kia prices for it. It don't work that way. I remember one post where a guy got rid of his fairly new New Edge Mustang because he didn't want to pay for the performance to make it faster,but then pay almost $30,000 for a Lightning.:confused: Don't he realize he paid for that performance, he paid Ford for it.I guess he didn't realize he could have spent a few $1,000 and run circles around his Lightning. But back to the subject, Brooks was right and like I said earlier I like the ideal of having rare vehicles, not 1 of 10 ever made rare, but rare colors and something not seen on every block. Ever heard of a Laguna S-3 ? I'm sure the older guys have. Anyway, when I was a GM guy I had a '76 Chevy Laguna S-3 that I bought in '80. They were only made 4 years '73-'76, they are basically a Chevelle with a slanted front end, they were used in NASCAR during that era ,you'll see them on the Back In The Day
flashback NASCAR show W/Earnhart,Jr. I went in the Army and my brother messed it up(blew engine,tore up interior) while I was gone. Told my mom to sell it.I think she may have got $200 for bascially a body in 1986. wish I still had that car, don't see them ever. One last thing before I go,I know you said you not worried about what the car will be worth 10-15 years later, I hear ya on that but also remember it will be worth something to someone. One Barrett-Jackson a few shows ago I heard Mike Joy say" there are 200 cars here,50 of them Vettes,you got to really want "that Vette today because there is nothing really special about the 327 & 350 Vettes here today, its all about the 427ci/425hp & 427/435hp cars." goes to show there was plenty then, and plenty now. Point is some people like the "rare" stuff, a '69-'71 style Boss Mustang was sold for more than most of the Vettes that was there that day. So we cool on what we each want & like? I am a double dipper, I want performance, but I also want something a little different, something that's not on every block. I think we had this conversation last year.By the way, don't know if you know it or not but I'm not a Vette hater. I just dropped over $21,000 hard earned $$$ restoring a '82 that my wifey bought brand new. I just like to wipe that "I got a Vette" smurk off the face of the jerk off in the next lane and then pick up his face and put it back in his wallet. But that's just me. Maybe we can compare performance & vehicle history someday. since we both ENTHUSIASTS!!!!

[wesman]

Wa 2 Fst,
Its not always about 0-60, 1/4 mile times, at least not for me. yeah I got a 10-low 11 sec Stang and a mildly modded L , 2 different things,but I bought them because of the performance,look and rare #'s of the L, and the color and 5.0 engine in my Stang.I always have liked a vehicle not everyone got,even 30 years ago.I use to be a GM guy until 1987 & While I'm a die hard Ford man now,I ,like you tell the truth about vehicles. To that I add Dodge & GM is way ahead of Ford in "performance" vehicles right now but like I said its not always about performance ,if it was the LS1 F-bodies would not have went to the car graveyard in 2002,and the Holden GTO after this year. They "out performed" the lowly Mustang but the Mustang outsold them combined more that 2 -1.And yeah,V6 out sell V8's. Like you stand by your statements ,I stand by mine,(me myself & I )still like the Saleen & Roush Mustangs. I like talking to you(even tho you are a Chevy man:rolleyes: )because at least you know a little about the car world, unlike a lot of people on here.
By that,I mean, I read a lot of the posts and a lot of the (past & current) posts it appeared that people want John Force #'s in the 1/4 mile but want to pay Kia prices for it. It don't work that way. I remember one post where a guy got rid of his fairly new New Edge Mustang because he didn't want to pay for the performance to make it faster,but then pay almost $30,000 for a Lightning.:confused: Don't he realize he paid for that performance, he paid Ford for it.I guess he didn't realize he could have spent a few $1,000 and run circles around his Lightning. But back to the subject, Brooks was right and like I said earlier I like the ideal of having rare vehicles, not 1 of 10 ever made rare, but rare colors and something not seen on every block. Ever heard of a Laguna S-3 ? I'm sure the older guys have. Anyway, when I was a GM guy I had a '76 Chevy Laguna S-3 that I bought in '80. They were only made 4 years '73-'76, they are basically a Chevelle with a slanted front end, they were used in NASCAR during that era ,you'll see them on the Back In The Day
flashback NASCAR show W/Earnhart,Jr. I went in the Army and my brother messed it up(blew engine,tore up interior) while I was gone. Told my mom to sell it.I think she may have got $200 for bascially a body in 1986. wish I still had that car, don't see them ever. One last thing before I go,I know you said you not worried about what the car will be worth 10-15 years later, I hear ya on that but also remember it will be worth something to someone. One Barrett-Jackson a few shows ago I heard Mike Joy say" there are 200 cars here,50 of them Vettes,you got to really want "that Vette today because there is nothing really special about the 327 & 350 Vettes here today, its all about the 427ci/425hp & 427/435hp cars." goes to show there was plenty then, and plenty now. Point is some people like the "rare" stuff, a '69-'71 style Boss Mustang was sold for more than most of the Vettes that was there that day. So we cool on what we each want & like? I am a double dipper, I want performance, but I also want something a little different, something that's not on every block. I think we had this conversation last year.By the way, don't know if you know it or not but I'm not a Vette hater. I just dropped over $21,000 hard earned $$$ restoring a '82 that my wifey bought brand new. I just like to wipe that "I got a Vette" smurk off the face of the jerk off in the next lane and then pick up his face and put it back in his wallet. But that's just me. Maybe we can compare performance & vehicle history someday. since we both ENTHUSIASTS!!!!

Wow...that was a long hard read :)

The biggest thing here is that the Shelby is not going to be a limited run vehicle according to Ford . They have gone on record as saying that 9k a year production is the goal, that is not even close to limited edition.

The anology that was used about the Z06 looking like all other Vette's is true, but it's also true of the Mustangs. They all pretty much look the same to the average person, the enthusiasts or the perceptive are for the most part the only folks that discern the differences.

Each person likes their own thing, I don't consider myself a Ford/Chevy/Dodge guy. That's likely obvious by my garage/driveway (I have a Ford,Dodge, Infiniti and a couple of Nissans). I'm like you in the sense that I'm a fan of more select vehicles or something that isn't an everyday ride.

I think both the Shelby and the Z06 are sweet cars, the 45k for the Saleen is damn good bang for the buck, but at the markup price of 65k I'd take that Vette in a heartbeat.

--wes

[Silver_2000]

Wow...that was a long hard read :)

The biggest thing here is that the Shelby is not going to be a limited run vehicle according to Ford . They have gone on record as saying that 9k a year production is the goal, that is not even close to limited edition.
--wes
if thats true then is is fair to say that half of 9000 qualifies as limited production ??

I never thought so ...

[WA 2 FST]

Derrick,

I think what we like is a lot closer than we might want to admit. Building a "one-off" Mustang myself is definitely "different". Building a resto-mod '69 Vette was different, too. Owning a Lingenfelter twin-turbo Z06 is _not_ much different than owning a Saleen, if we want to be really honest (don't see many of these on every block). Both are tuner cars... GM just doesn't sell LPE stuff on their showrooms. :) The difference is that one actually performs exactly as advertised. Anyone who owns a Gen 1 or Gen 2 L likes something different b/c in the scheme of things they made very, very few L's compared to the seemingly millions of F-150s out there.

When I think of "rare" and something that is therefore worth more than something else, I think of a vehicle that will have to be in mint, pristine, showroom condition in order to command the type of value that would make it really _rare_.

As far as wiping the pompous look off the face of another performance car owner... that's exactly what I'm talking about when I explain that the Saleen is not all it is. A car that stickered for $60k will get its arse handed to it over and over by "lesser" vehicles. Trust me, I know the fun feeling you're talking about ... whether I'm in my truck, my Vette, and certainly all the times I ran into people with the various Mustangs I've owned in the past.

Right now I'm not really in the market for a 2+2. If Ford built a 2-seater that I could afford (meaning something NOT the Ford GT), then you can bet I would take a hard look at it. They don't, so I bought a vehicle that performs exceptionally well that was in my price range back in Jan of '02.

The rarest car I've ever owned was also the biggest POS. '83 Citation X-11. They didn't make many of those, but that isn't saying much.

Have a good one. :tu:


Point is some people like the "rare" stuff, a '69-'71 style Boss Mustang was sold for more than most of the Vettes that was there that day. So we cool on what we each want & like? I am a double dipper, I want performance, but I also want something a little different, something that's not on every block. I think we had this conversation last year.

[FRDRCING]

With this all about the GT500, here is one at the track with just a cai,exhaust and a tune.

http://www.evoperform.com/GT500/eleven.wmv

Dyno Vid.
http://www.evoperform.com/GT500/dyno1.wmv

Link to the post with more info.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=313330

[WA 2 FST]

:tu: Very cool! 11.8 @ 120, 500rwhp w/ the stock pulley. Nice!!

[TP Derrick D]

Wa2FST...
I'm gonna finish my comments on this post by saying this because its clear we like what we like and there will be no mind changing. I'm glad there was only a few posts about this because I truly believe there are only a few true enthusiasts on here deep enough to know what we're talking about. One thing tho, believe it or not, is that Roush & Saleens are not tuner cars. Both companies are considered small car manufactures. Both buy cars from Ford V6 or GT's ,strip them down & built them to their certain level classified by stages. Depending on stage you get upgrades over factory.Those upgrades are suspension,brakes(caliper & rotors),engine,interior,body panels,emblems & graphics,wheels and a build number. Problaby more that I forgot to mention. Anyway, Stage 1 gets this & this, Stage 2 gets this & this plus all of stage 1, and Stage 3 gets this & this plus all of Stage 1 & Stage 2. Now everyone knows Stage 3 is the supercharged version. Tuners would be like Gene Evans,Granatelli,Livernois. I'm not sure about Steeda. But I know its common for anyone thats unaware of how they are classified to call Saleens & Roush "tuners". As for as getting handed it by a lesser vehicle, thats common place, a GMC Syclone could hand a Viper & a Testarossa their a$$ 0-60, top speed is a different story. but stop light to stop light ....and what ,a Testarossa was $150,000? Viper...$75,000?...see where Im going. Anyway this post was fun, post any last comments and I'll read them but I'm out on this one.:burnout: