Earnhart Caution

[Mark #2]

The infamous Earnhart caution while in commercial for Jacques Debris comes out again.

NASCAR needs to do a better job of at least trying to hide their manipulation of the races.

[Silver_2000]

The infamous Earnhart caution while in commercial for Jacques Debris comes out again.

NASCAR needs to do a better job of at least trying to hide their manipulation of the races.
Im confused.....
Jacques Debris

[Mark #2]

Im confused.....

Imaginary Debris in turn 2 while in commercial, just as Jr is going to have to pit and go two laps down under green, because he is off sequence. Same thing happened last week while in commercial, nothing on the track found both times. They throw the caution at very opportune times for Jr.

[dboat]

Imaginary Debris in turn 2 while in commercial, just as Jr is going to have to pit and go two laps down under green, because he is off sequence. Same thing happened last week while in commercial, nothing on the track found both times. The throw the caution at very opportune times for Jr.

Another reason to NOT watch Crashcar:throw: .. I am just as happy to watch F1 and NHRA.. thank you very much...
Dana

[bluesvt]

Nascar is like "pro wrestling" in my opinion. :rolleyes:

[Tex Arcana]

Nascar is like "pro wrestling" in my opinion. :rolleyes:

I've been saying this for years... nothing "stock" about the cars at all, and it's well-known the France hegemony manipulate the rules and said enforcements to favor the driver-of-the-moment. :hammer:

It's just not fun to watch a bunch of banjo-players turn left all the time (the "road course" races don't count, because they use ringers). I'd rather see something like the Bathurst 1000 or European Touring Car, where the cars are real "door-slammers", and can be bought right off the showrooms floor (thanks to homologation). NASCAR really needs to reexamine their racing model, and return to their roots, when the cars were REAL cars, with REAL motors, and every bit of them available to Tom, Dick, and Billy-Bob. ;)

[gbgary]

it'll never happen. they're too big, too popular, and make too much money to ever change that much. not playing favorites should be easy to fix if they choose too.

[TP Derrick D]

Imaginary Debris in turn 2 while in commercial, just as Jr is going to have to pit and go two laps down under green, because he is off sequence. Same thing happened last week while in commercial, nothing on the track found both times. They throw the caution at very opportune times for Jr.

hey Mark i didn't see that because i was switching back and forth for football but i been thinking that bascially since the death of his dad, that the forces that be (commentators & NASCAR officials) trying to get him a championship.Just glad other teams are strong and can keep him in their rear views. Even with that I'm still a NASCAR fan except short track.

[Mark #2]

hey Mark i didn't see that because i was switching back and forth for football but i been thinking that bascially since the death of his dad, that the forces that be (commentators & NASCAR officials) trying to get him a championship.Just glad other teams are strong and can keep him in their rear views. Even with that I'm still a NASCAR fan except short track.
I agree and am an Earnhart and NASCAR fan, but it has become too obvious the past few weeks and I don't think that is helps the sport. I am not a fan of the ricer COT either.

[dboat]

hey Mark i didn't see that because i was switching back and forth for football but i been thinking that bascially since the death of his dad, that the forces that be (commentators & NASCAR officials) trying to get him a championship.Just glad other teams are strong and can keep him in their rear views. Even with that I'm still a NASCAR fan except short track.

I will say that I dont mind watching the super speedway races,, mostly indy, talledega and such.. the short tracks are a real whipping though..
Dana

[Tex Arcana]

Here's what I can't figure out:

They have this "10-car shootout format" (about as bogus as a shootout in soccer and hockey, but that's another discussion), yet they let (or require) all the other 33-bazillion cars run, when none have any shot at anything whatsoever except more crashes (tho I suspect the points system actually rewards drivers for spectacular crashes, as well as strategically-placed nose-pickings).

To me, that last batch of races should be run between the ones with a chance only, to reduce the possibility of some driver or team action on orders to take out the leader and potentially alter the outcome.

Oh, snap! Forget that! I forgot myself for a moment, this is WWECAR, where it was scripted a full year beforehand!! :hammer:

[WA 2 FST]

Heard today that they are investigating Robbie Gordon for intentionally throwing some rollbar padding onto the track which led to the caution.

[Silver_2000]

Heard today that they are investigating Robbie Gordon for intentionally throwing some rollbar padding onto the track which led to the caution.
http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/10/31/bc.car.nascar.gordon.debris.ap/index.html

[Mark #2]

Heard today that they are investigating Robbie Gordon for intentionally throwing some rollbar padding onto the track which led to the caution.

Not the same caution as the Earnhart one, no one saw anything on the track, Robbie did it so he could get the lucky dog at that time.

[LivinEZ]

Let me see how much I can stir up...as a NASCAR fan!

All you NASCAR bashers don't have a CLUE!!!! You have to be a fan to understand and talk NASCAR. I'm not a die hard Jr. fan, If you watch the entire races (on TV), they always pan to the debris they call on the track. ...and yes, Robby Gordon did throw debris on purpose to get the "lucky dog"...don't care for him much.

Now if you are at a race, you will always hear "That's a NASCAR caution", meaning, the race is getting boring so lets bunch the cars up to try and create more competition / wrecks for tv ratings.

Other phrases you will hear are "Jr caution", "Gordon caution", "Jimmie Caution"...but that is just fans ragging on those around them.

As far as favorites of one team over another... EVERY sport can be accused of that. Refs are always accused of bad calls and favoring one team over another. Last year Colts vs Steelers in the playoffs...Refs gave the Colts every chance to win that game...so many bad calls. NASCAR is no different, I have seen cautions come out at just the right time...most likely like the Robby Gordon incident (driver threw something on the track or purposely rubbed another car to tear a piece off).

Baseball is ranked right there with wrestling. Why is it one guy can all of a sudden hit 60+ home runs in one season??? Some say drugs; others say ratings...I say a combination of the two. Pitchers/teams are paid to throw the right pitch or lose the right game for ratings... I digress

And for those of you talking about making left turns...obviously don't know much about racing AT ALL. I mean come on...what kind of skill is there to take an L down a straight track...(I do it with one leg). And if you want a car to turn at 200 mph, you better have the right suspension on that thing. Oh yeah, and what about those NASCAR road courses; Yeah, no skill there :rolleyes:

NASCAR is like no other...43 teams meet on one day...anyone can take anybody out, at any time! What a GREAT sport.

"RUBBING IS RACING" AND RACING IS RACING...ITS ALL GOOD :tu:

[Mark #2]

Let's all go to qualifying and the truck race on Friday, any takers?
Trucks are the best race at TMS, not a big fan just a season ticket holder at TMS for the first few years and my company sponsors a car.;)

[bluesvt]

And for those of you talking about making left turns...obviously don't know much about racing AT ALL. I mean come on...what kind of skill is there to take an L down a straight track...(I do it with one leg). And if you want a car to turn at 200 mph, you better have the right suspension on that thing. Oh yeah, and what about those NASCAR road courses; Yeah, no skill there :rolleyes:

You can not compare a L to Nascar, you gotta compare NHRA. Seeing a car go from 0 to 320mph in 4+ seconds is amazing if you ask me. Plus it is a short race for those with ADD who can't sit and watch cars do circles for hours with nothing exciting happening. Just some of my thoughts, I would go one for a while but it's past my bed time and I may have had one too many to drink. :D :beer:

[LivinEZ]

You can not compare a L to Nascar, you gotta compare NHRA. Seeing a car go from 0 to 320mph in 4+ seconds is amazing if you ask me. Plus it is a short race for those with ADD who can't sit and watch cars do circles for hours with nothing exciting happening. Just some of my thoughts, I would go one for a while but it's past my bed time and I may have had one too many to drink. :D :beer:

...but you forgot to quote the bottom piece of my post, which states Racing is Racing and it's all good...

it's all the same just different formats. As for sitting and watching (other than those with ADD)...unless I know the participators, or I am participating, Dragracing is more boring to me than "watching cars go in a circle"...I wonder why 200+ thousand show up every weekend to watch that :rolleyes: . As a fan and having some knowledge of the sport, there is a lot more going on out there than turning the wheel to the left...

If it is so easy, why don't any of you bashers quit your job and go make some real money...a million+ a year. (Kahne 26 - 5.7mil) The worst driver of the year to start all 33 races (K.Petty old guy) pulled in 3.3mil. :D

[Sixpipes]

Let's all go to qualifying and the truck race on Friday, any takers?
Trucks are the best race at TMS, not a big fan just a season ticket holder at TMS for the first few years and my company sponsors a car.;)

I would normally be there in a second, but Thursday is the 32nd wedding anniversary and we are making a quick trip up to Breckenridge, CO. :cool:

[TP Derrick D]

Let me see how much I can stir up...as a NASCAR fan!

All you NASCAR bashers don't have a CLUE!!!! You have to be a fan to understand and talk NASCAR. I'm not a die hard Jr. fan, If you watch the entire races (on TV), they always pan to the debris they call on the track. ...and yes, Robby Gordon did throw debris on purpose to get the "lucky dog"...don't care for him much.

Now if you are at a race, you will always hear "That's a NASCAR caution", meaning, the race is getting boring so lets bunch the cars up to try and create more competition / wrecks for tv ratings.

Other phrases you will hear are "Jr caution", "Gordon caution", "Jimmie Caution"...but that is just fans ragging on those around them.

As far as favorites of one team over another... EVERY sport can be accused of that. Refs are always accused of bad calls and favoring one team over another. Last year Colts vs Steelers in the playoffs...Refs gave the Colts every chance to win that game...so many bad calls. NASCAR is no different, I have seen cautions come out at just the right time...most likely like the Robby Gordon incident (driver threw something on the track or purposely rubbed another car to tear a piece off).

Baseball is ranked right there with wrestling. Why is it one guy can all of a sudden hit 60+ home runs in one season??? Some say drugs; others say ratings...I say a combination of the two. Pitchers/teams are paid to throw the right pitch or lose the right game for ratings... I digress

And for those of you talking about making left turns...obviously don't know much about racing AT ALL. I mean come on...what kind of skill is there to take an L down a straight track...(I do it with one leg). And if you want a car to turn at 200 mph, you better have the right suspension on that thing. Oh yeah, and what about those NASCAR road courses; Yeah, no skill there :rolleyes:

NASCAR is like no other...43 teams meet on one day...anyone can take anybody out, at any time! What a GREAT sport.

"RUBBING IS RACING" AND RACING IS RACING...ITS ALL GOOD :tu:

Must be a Jr fan... and since I been watching NASCAR for about 32 years before NASCAR became a nation wide event, before NASCAR was cool,...believe me when I say " I do have a clue"...I didn't just start watching it when TMS was built here and yes I watch NHRA also...only about 20 years tho. As far as other sports,Peyton Manning is face of NFL, Kobie Bryant is face of NBA, soon to be taken over by LeBron James and its up in the air for Baseball I'd guess Derek Jeter tho.

[WA 2 FST]

...but you forgot to quote the bottom piece of my post, which states Racing is Racing and it's all good...

it's all the same just different formats. As for sitting and watching (other than those with ADD)...unless I know the participators, or I am participating, Dragracing is more boring to me than "watching cars go in a circle"...I wonder why 200+ thousand show up every weekend to watch that :rolleyes: . As a fan and having some knowledge of the sport, there is a lot more going on out there than turning the wheel to the left...

If it is so easy, why don't any of you bashers quit your job and go make some real money...a million+ a year. (Kahne 26 - 5.7mil) The worst driver of the year to start all 33 races (K.Petty old guy) pulled in 3.3mil. :D

It takes a lot of "luck" (or more likely a wealthy upbringing) to be able to get the sheer _opportunity_ to race professionally. I'm not saying its the simplest thing to do. I'm not saying I wouldn't have liked an opportunity to do it, either. :) And... no matter your pedigree, at the pro level you have to be good at it. But you'd better have started off racing at age 7-8 to have a shot at doing it as a pro. It's big $$, even at the junior levels (drag racing, midget cars, dirt track, stock cars) to even get a remote shot at being one of the select few. You'd have a better chance of making it in one of the 3-4 big market sports (MLB, NBA, NFL, etc).

Not that this is a great comparison, but I've driven a Busch series car with an instructor for 20 laps at TMS. There were only 6-7 other cars on the track at the time, and at first we were pretty much spread out. But the suspension on the car basically allows it to steer itself in the turns. As long as you're willing to trust the suspension/tires and the visible markers that are on the track as to when you shoud start initial turn-in... I found it rather "easy". About halfway through my laps, the instructor was allowing me to push the car harder and harder, and I have video of my last few laps...which I timed to be right at 160mph average. Granted, this is not competitive at all, but it is also a tiny, tiny sampling. Another 20-30 laps and (if I had the balls to trust the equipment... I don't know if I would or not) I'd have been redlining that thing down the back straight. Granted this is just basically time trials with a few other cars that you get to pass, and they were going really, really slow. No drafting issues, no bumping, no running side-by-side for extended periods of time. But if you follow directions and have any will to push the pedal down, it is rather simple to run time trials at a decent clip at that track in a car set up properly.

By comparison it would be next to impossible for anyone to just walk out and hit a minor league fastball or catch a pass (without splitting the webbing of your fingers) from a back-up professional QB.

[LivinEZ]

Must be a Jr fan... and since I been watching NASCAR for about 32 years before NASCAR became a nation wide event, before NASCAR was cool,...believe me when I say " I do have a clue"...I didn't just start watching it when TMS was built here and yes I watch NHRA also...only about 20 years tho. As far as other sports,Peyton Manning is face of NFL, Kobie Bryant is face of NBA, soon to be taken over by LeBron James and its up in the air for Baseball I'd guess Derek Jeter tho.

Guess you didn't catch my other post...I'm a Stewart fan. Didn't watch NASCAR until he got into the sport (1999). He is one of the all time racers...championships in everything he gets into. Who is Kobie?? I don't think he could ever be the face of the NBA...Try an all time great like Jordon or current face Shaq. ....but we digress again. Point is, you can find flaws with how all sports are carried out, but they all still entertain.

[LivinEZ]

It takes a lot of "luck" (or more likely a wealthy upbringing) to be able to get the sheer _opportunity_ to race professionally...

Not always. Stewart's parents morgaged the house a couple of times just to keep him in go-karts. If your good, have supportive parents, and can get sponsors along the way to help you out...you would get noticed somewhere.

This is how it happened for Kasey Kahne...where he was noticed in the dirt tracks and Ray Everham was told to sign him or end up getting beat by him.

Earnhart Sr. definately didn't have it easy...he was dirt poor and lived one race to another to make his start.

[Tex Arcana]

Must be a Jr fan... and since I been watching NASCAR for about 32 years before NASCAR became a nation wide event, before NASCAR was cool,...believe me when I say " I do have a clue"...I didn't just start watching it when TMS was built here and yes I watch NHRA also...only about 20 years tho. As far as other sports,Peyton Manning is face of NFL, Kobie Bryant is face of NBA, soon to be taken over by LeBron James and its up in the air for Baseball I'd guess Derek Jeter tho.

QTF, I was watching NASCAR when the doors still slammed, and the NHRA and IHRA when the motors were in FRONT of the driver, and before funny cars were considered a class. :tu:

Going straight for a few seconds is immensely boring to me; yes, the power is amazing, but it just doesn't take the same skill it does to balance a car on the ragged edge of handling, and to do it consistently over the course of a race. Yeah, CRASHCAR has that to a certain extent; but when the setup is so specialized that to turn right would cause an aneurism in 50k fans, the cars damn near drive themselves. Just look at what they had to do to help Jeff Gordon hold his head up in JPM F1 car!! :d

NASCAR road courses?? :rll: "Ringers, Unlimited!". :tongue:

Close racing is good, unless it's scripted or manufactured; then it become farce. Especially when the "cars" used aren't in any way, shape, or form "stock". :hammer:

[bluesvt]

Lawnmower racing is still cool and unscripted. :burnout: :D

[Ohmsby]

I would normally be there in a second, but Thursday is the 32nd wedding anniversary and we are making a quick trip up to Breckenridge, CO. :cool:

I'm turning 34 on Sunday I think this makes one of us old. :d All kidding aside congrats on the anniversary

[Silver_2000]

Let's all go to qualifying and the truck race on Friday, any takers?
Trucks are the best race at TMS, not a big fan just a season ticket holder at TMS for the first few years and my company sponsors a car.;)

How much are the tickets ?

[dboat]

Livin, I just respectfully disagree.. I have a lot of friends and a brother that eat live and breathe Nascar. I moved to open wheel racing because I really felt that you had to actually drive "around" someone and beat them on the track rather than bump, nudge, rub or whatever else you want to call, run them off of the track. It may be that I dont have an appreciation for it, but I just think open wheel drivers have to work harder at beating someone else, hence being an F1 fan.
I do watch some IRL races but dont find them overly entertaining, except for Danica Patrick of course.
I do like NHRA, due to its brute force.. something about standing at the starting line and feeling the ground under your feet move when those 6000+ HP vehicles take off, its just special.

I do think some of the races in Nascar are too long.. when they go over 2 hours, it just gets so boring that you fall asleep.. that is why in most open wheel series, they have a time limit..
yes 43 cars line up.. but geesh, almost anyone can make the lineup. At least in other series, you have to have a time within a certain percentage of the pole position to qualify so that everyone knows you can be competitive.

I dont even try to compare football, baseball or basketball to driving..

I dont mean to :throw: , just espousing a different POV.
Dana

[Mark #2]

From one of the NASCAR web discussion boards today.

How obvious can NASCAR make it? At Atlanta, Junior had cut a tire and had to go into the pits, which put him off sequence. When he came back out he was running dead last, but when everyone else had to pit, he stayed out and assumed the lead. When he was going to have to pit again, he would have to do it under green and lose the lead because he was off sequence and everyone else had already pitted. They broadcast his radio conversation when he called in and he said, "I'm pitting in eight laps unless we get a caution."
They went to commercial and I told my dad, with whom I was watching the race, "There is going to be another special Earnhardt debris caution within the next eight laps so he can come in under yellow, I guarantee it." It didn't even take two laps because they were on the debris caution when they came back from commercial. Isn't that convenient? Same thing happened at Talladega when they threw the "mystery debris" caution to give him his Lucky Dog lap back.
Scott Qualls
Mount Vernon, Ohio
You weren't the only person to notice that, Scott. I said the exact same thing to fellow reporters and, lo and behold, that's exactly what happened. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

[my2002lightning]

Congratulations, Dennis! It's always good to see couples make the 32 yr. mark and keep on going.:tu:

Ronald


I would normally be there in a second, but Thursday is the 32nd wedding anniversary and we are making a quick trip up to Breckenridge, CO. :cool:

[TP Derrick D]

Guess you didn't catch my other post...I'm a Stewart fan. Didn't watch NASCAR until he got into the sport (1999). He is one of the all time racers...championships in everything he gets into. Who is Kobie?? I don't think he could ever be the face of the NBA...Try an all time great like Jordon or current face Shaq. ....but we digress again. Point is, you can find flaws with how all sports are carried out, but they all still entertain.

this is a week later but i don't come on here everyday. sorry I missed you were a Steward fan but thats my point exactly, you're new to NASCAR (since '99 is new) Any whether you agree or not right now Kobie Bryant is the face of the NBA, not a retired Michael Jordan who was the face of the NBA during part of his time in the league. Shaq is not the face either he's on his last year or two, like I said LeBron James is taking that spot.do you know what the face of a league means? its the person that league is using to promote that league. But back to NASCAR and all. A few years ago we had a post about Jr and the comment was made that this is a Ford site and not many people would care if Jr or Chevy got flamed. but I believe my comments were something like it don't matter that this is a Ford site look at how many Fords on the road have Jr & Sr #'s stuck to the window. I'm a Jack Roush fan myself, led by Mark Martin & Matt Kenseth. But I had other drivers prior to 1990 when I start pulling for Mark. 1973 -1984 # 43 STP Richard Petty, & Bobby & Donnie Allison, 1983- 1986 # 42 Peak antifreeze Kyle Petty,1987# 11 Budweiser Bill Elliott, 1988-1989 #27 Miller Genuine Draft Rusty Wallace, 1989-90 # 15 Motorcraft Geffro Bodine, 1990 - present# 6 Vavoline,Viagra, & now AAA Mark Martin. I also pulled for a couple underdogs along the way to include # 7 Alan Kulwiki in 1992 when he won the championship before being killed, and #28 Allison before being killed in a helicopter crash at Talladega in 1992 I believe. I could go on & on so I believe I have some NASCAR insight. Tony Steward is a good driver I just don't pull for him.

[coors2003]

thats cause earnheart needs all the help he can get!!:rll:

[Mark #2]

Another Earnhart caution, 11 laps from a green flag stop off sequence again, they really want Earnhart to win the race today and I think he will.
They must of told Tony Stewart to quit kicking all the top 10's arses.

[Tex Arcana]

Another Earnhart caution, 11 laps from a green flag stop off sequence again, they really want Earnhart to win the race today and I think he will.
They must of told Tony Stewart to quit kicking all the top 10's arses.

Nah, they just made sure his restrictor plate is on the small side...:hammer: