whats the widest wheel/tire you can run on the rear?

[tiffo60]

ive been tossing around the idea of widening the rear wheels to 13in and running a 345 drag radial on the back, do i have the clearance in the back to do this?

[wesman]

ive been tossing around the idea of widening the rear wheels to 13in and running a 345 drag radial on the back, do i have the clearance in the back to do this?

If you got the right offsets it should be possible. I've never measured it myself, but at just a glance it looks like there's enough room.

--wes

[tiffo60]

If you got the right offsets it should be possible. I've never measured it myself, but at just a glance it looks like there's enough room.

--wes

theres a company in dallas that will widen the wheel and maintain factory offset, i know of a few corvettes that have gone this route, they just add to the inside of the wheel, just dont know if it will work on our trucks?

[wesman]

theres a company in dallas that will widen the wheel and maintain factory offset, i know of a few corvettes that have gone this route, they just add to the inside of the wheel, just dont know if it will work on our trucks?

In that case it would likely not sit flush with the fenders. I thought you meant getting something custom made.

--wes

[Mark #2]

theres a company in dallas that will widen the wheel and maintain factory offset, i know of a few corvettes that have gone this route, they just add to the inside of the wheel, just dont know if it will work on our trucks?

Actually, if they are adding to the inside of the wheel they are changing the offsets.

[tiffo60]

Actually, if they are adding to the inside of the wheel they are changing the offsets.

im just not wording it right, but either way it shouldnt effect the alignment with the fend lip right?

[wesman]

Actually, if they are adding to the inside of the wheel they are changing the offsets.

I think he means the middle of the wheel

--wes

[Mark #2]

You can add to the inside of the wheel and not efffect the outside lip to the fender alignment. Go measure from the inside lip/tire to the rear leaf leaf spring/inner fender and decide how close you want to run.

[tiffo60]

You can add to the inside of the wheel and not efffect the outside lip to the fender alignment. Go measure from the inside lip/tire to the rear leaf leaf spring/inner fender and decide how close you want to run.


will do:tu:

[WA 2 FST]

ive been tossing around the idea of widening the rear wheels to 13in and running a 345 drag radial on the back, do i have the clearance in the back to do this?

You can do it if you go "out" towards the fenderwell. There is less room on the "inside" to shift the wheel/tire there. Given that you are considering adding 3.5" in width to the wheel, I would bet you could go "in" 1 inch and "out" the other 2.5".

I considered this years ago, but there was no 28" tall tire available, and I didn't want to run anything shorter. How tall is the 345 DR?

I think a wider rear tire would look really, really good. I have 305 DRs on mine now, and I think a 345 would be sweet. :d

[tiffo60]

You can do it if you go "out" towards the fenderwell. There is less room on the "inside" to shift the wheel/tire there. Given that you are considering adding 3.5" in width to the wheel, I would bet you could go "in" 1 inch and "out" the other 2.5".

I considered this years ago, but there was no 28" tall tire available, and I didn't want to run anything shorter. How tall is the 345 DR?

I think a wider rear tire would look really, really good. I have 305 DRs on mine now, and I think a 345 would be sweet. :d

its short either a 30 or 35 series, i would have to lower the truck some more to make it look right

[PoorSvtman]

tony2000 had his rear wheels widened a bit. he just ran the normal nitto d/r but the tire fit the rim alot better.

[Highlander540]

I bought these wide wheels c/w 345/35 Viper tires a while back. Here is a pic.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/silverracer/mods/Wide.jpg

Thing is I can't find any 325/335 or 345 tires that are even close to stock hight.

Any suggestions?

[WA 2 FST]

See that's the thing. I don't think any of us need the additional gearing that a 26" tall tire gives us (equivalent of running 4.10s or so, compared to a stock 28" tall tire); at least not on the street. I don't like slamming the truck low to make it all look good with shorter tires. I also don't like the compromised ride quality (and its there, even on a sport-tuned suspension like we have stock or aftermarket) with a shorter sidewall tire.

If they offered a 345/40 or 335/40 we'd be in business. :) I would have to send off my HRE's to have them widened.

Although there would be debate as to whether a wider 335/345 Z-rated tire would allow for better traction than a 305 Nitto DR. I'm not sure it would, but the wider rubber would sure look cool.

[tiffo60]

See that's the thing. I don't think any of us need the additional gearing that a 26" tall tire gives us (equivalent of running 4.10s or so, compared to a stock 28" tall tire); at least not on the street. I don't like slamming the truck low to make it all look good with shorter tires. I also don't like the compromised ride quality (and its there, even on a sport-tuned suspension like we have stock or aftermarket) with a shorter sidewall tire.

If they offered a 345/40 or 335/40 we'd be in business. :) I would have to send off my HRE's to have them widened.

Although there would be debate as to whether a wider 335/345 Z-rated tire would allow for better traction than a 305 Nitto DR. I'm not sure it would, but the wider rubber would sure look cool.

yeah but bfg makes a 345 drag radial :tu: ,

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/findTireDetail.do?rcz=76179&rc=TFWINT&c=1&cf=false&cs=345&pc=38350&rd=18&ar=30&ct=&rf=true

[Highlander540]

Pity these are so short too.
I have to agree with Wes 26" tires just look so short on our trucks.

[99WhiteBeast]

tony2000 had his rear wheels widened a bit. he just ran the normal nitto d/r but the tire fit the rim alot better.

I think he actually ran a 315/45 series and widened them 1.5"

[Tex Arcana]

You can do it if you go "out" towards the fenderwell. There is less room on the "inside" to shift the wheel/tire there. Given that you are considering adding 3.5" in width to the wheel, I would bet you could go "in" 1 inch and "out" the other 2.5".

I considered this years ago, but there was no 28" tall tire available, and I didn't want to run anything shorter. How tall is the 345 DR?

I think a wider rear tire would look really, really good. I have 305 DRs on mine now, and I think a 345 would be sweet. :d

Talk about more meat to hook with, as well. :d

[wesman]

I bought these wide wheels c/w 345/35 Viper tires a while back. Here is a pic.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/silverracer/mods/Wide.jpg

Thing is I can't find any 325/335 or 345 tires that are even close to stock hight.

Any suggestions?


I have those on my Viper :)

There is a 345 DR, not sure on the sidewall tho....I'm actually gonna get a set for the Viper on track days so I don't have to eat up the new 19" street tires.

It will definitely stick out a bit, just not sure how much.

--wes

[wesman]

yeah but bfg makes a 345 drag radial :tu: ,

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/findTireDetail.do?rcz=76179&rc=TFWINT&c=1&cf=false&cs=345&pc=38350&rd=18&ar=30&ct=&rf=true


Nitto makes a 335/30:

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/findTireByBrandDetail.do?rcz=76002&rc=TFWINT&cs=335&pc=40288&typ=Competition&rd=18&ar=30&tc=NITHZ7

[Tex Arcana]

See that's the thing. I don't think any of us need the additional gearing that a 26" tall tire gives us (equivalent of running 4.10s or so, compared to a stock 28" tall tire); at least not on the street. I don't like slamming the truck low to make it all look good with shorter tires. I also don't like the compromised ride quality (and its there, even on a sport-tuned suspension like we have stock or aftermarket) with a shorter sidewall tire.

If they offered a 345/40 or 335/40 we'd be in business. :) I would have to send off my HRE's to have them widened.

Although there would be debate as to whether a wider 335/345 Z-rated tire would allow for better traction than a 305 Nitto DR. I'm not sure it would, but the wider rubber would sure look cool.

It'd help street traction over other street tires.

[WA 2 FST]

But its a 30 series tire, so its 26.xx" tall and also the BFG DR is the worst handling tire outside of an all-out slick that I have ever used. I wouldn't put that on my truck for any reason at all except for race day.

[Tex Arcana]

But its a 30 series tire, so its 26.xx" tall and also the BFG DR is the worst handling tire outside of an all-out slick that I have ever used. I wouldn't put that on my truck for any reason at all except for race day.

I meant a tire of the right height.

[WA 2 FST]

It'd help street traction over other street tires.

You misunderstood me. Many of us (including myself) run a 305/45 Nitto DR on the street. This is my 100% street tire. It is significantly better than any Z-rated "regular" radial tire out there, and I'm betting it would hook better than a 335-345mm wide "regular" radial. Yes, its narrower, but the compound is softer. Also, the Nitto DR handles as good as 95% of us need on the street...and there is little compromise in the rain (if you're driving smart, and you're not running them bald); not that rain matters to me, I don't drive my truck in the rain anymore except on accident.

So yes, a wider 335-345 tire would do better than a 305 of equal compound, but probably not as good (or at least any better) than a 305 of softer/stickier compound.

[Tex Arcana]

You misunderstood me. Many of us (including myself) run a 305/45 Nitto DR on the street. This is my 100% street tire. It is significantly better than any Z-rated "regular" radial tire out there, and I'm betting it would hook better than a 335-345mm wide "regular" radial. Yes, its narrower, but the compound is softer. Also, the Nitto DR handles as good as 95% of us need on the street...and there is little compromise in the rain (if you're driving smart, and you're not running them bald); not that rain matters to me, I don't drive my truck in the rain anymore except on accident.

So yes, a wider 335-345 tire would do better than a 305 of equal compound, but probably not as good (or at least any better) than a 305 of softer/stickier compound.

And here I thought you misunderstood ME. :(

Altho, logic(!) dictates that a 345 tire will have more traction than a 295 tire--Z rated, that is. Yeah, your DRs will ALLWAYS have better traction, but they only last, what, 6000 miles?

Tho, if you're going with asymmetric wheels (wider on back), there's not much you can do to rotate for wear, short of taking it in to Discount Tire and getting them to pop the tires off the wheels and swap 'em side-to-side.

[WA 2 FST]

And here I thought you misunderstood ME. :(

Altho, logic(!) dictates that a 345 tire will have more traction than a 295 tire--Z rated, that is. Yeah, your DRs will ALLWAYS have better traction, but they only last, what, 6000 miles?

Tho, if you're going with asymmetric wheels (wider on back), there's not much you can do to rotate for wear, short of taking it in to Discount Tire and getting them to pop the tires off the wheels and swap 'em side-to-side.

I don't care how long they'll last. I'd rather be hooking up than white-smoking every time I lay into the throttle with the power I'm making (especially now that its cooler... I should re-dyno it now). My opinion is that spinning a Z-rated tire into submission will make it last only a few thousand miles longer than the DR... maybe.

And you're right... no rotation available with the wider rear tires/wheels, so the lifespan is shorter no matter what.

[dboat]

yeah but bfg makes a 345 drag radial :tu: ,

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/findTireDetail.do?rcz=76179&rc=TFWINT&c=1&cf=false&cs=345&pc=38350&rd=18&ar=30&ct=&rf=true

nice looking tire but shouldnt the traction rating be an A? also, compare the price to a Nitto and well, my response is :eek:

[umclightning]

yeah but bfg makes a 345 drag radial :tu: ,

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/findTireDetail.do?rcz=76179&rc=TFWINT&c=1&cf=false&cs=345&pc=38350&rd=18&ar=30&ct=&rf=true

Go 4 it:banana: I am running the 315/30 on my truck right know although it may look funny but man do they hookknana will b buying some more.

[Silver_2000]

Keep the weight ratings of these tires in mind

[wesman]

Wes, keep in mind that Nitto also makes a 335 DR, I've got a set coming for the rear Viper wheels for track days so I don't burn up my 345/19's that cost over $500 ea :tex :hammer:

Nitto 335 Dr's (http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/findTireByBrandDetail.do?rcz=76002&rc=TFWINT&cs=335&pc=40288&typ=Competition&rd=18&ar=30&tc=NITHZ7)



I don't care how long they'll last. I'd rather be hooking up than white-smoking every time I lay into the throttle with the power I'm making (especially now that its cooler... I should re-dyno it now). My opinion is that spinning a Z-rated tire into submission will make it last only a few thousand miles longer than the DR... maybe.

And you're right... no rotation available with the wider rear tires/wheels, so the lifespan is shorter no matter what.

[WA 2 FST]

Wes, keep in mind that Nitto also makes a 335 DR, I've got a set coming for the rear Viper wheels for track days so I don't burn up my 345/19's that cost over $500 ea :tex :hammer:

Nitto 335 Dr's (http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/findTireByBrandDetail.do?rcz=76002&rc=TFWINT&cs=335&pc=40288&typ=Competition&rd=18&ar=30&tc=NITHZ7)

Yessir, I understand that. But a 335/30 is 25.9" in diameter which is way too short for the gearing in these trucks, IMHO. If they made a 335/40, I'd be all over it. :)

[Tex Arcana]

I don't care how long they'll last. I'd rather be hooking up than white-smoking every time I lay into the throttle with the power I'm making (especially now that its cooler... I should re-dyno it now). My opinion is that spinning a Z-rated tire into submission will make it last only a few thousand miles longer than the DR... maybe.

And you're right... no rotation available with the wider rear tires/wheels, so the lifespan is shorter no matter what.

I've got a really good traction-control system in my truck, so white-smoking isn't a problem. :tongue: However, you make a good argument--you should redyno, soon. :cool:

Rotation's fairly easy with a symmetric uni-directional tire, it just costs whatever DC charges to pop the tire off the rim and move it to the other one, and balancing. I already do that every other rotation, anyhow, so I can get the most out of the tires I do have. :tu:

[Tex Arcana]

Go 4 it:banana: I am running the 315/30 on my truck right know although it may look funny but man do they hookknana will b buying some more.

Post pics, pls.

[Tex Arcana]

Keep the weight ratings of these tires in mind

good point. :tu:

[tiffo60]

the nitto 335's show a load rating of 1879lbs or close to that, so is that for each tire?

[Tex Arcana]

the nitto 335's show a load rating of 1879lbs or close to that, so is that for each tire?

Yeah, max load rating at max pressure. So for four it's 7516lbs, which is well beyond what our trucks are. ONly thing to keep in mind is that rating is at max pressure, lower pressures reduce that some, and not linearly, and I don't know exactly how. On the other hand, that rating will have some form of safety factor built in, so could literally be half of what the actual fail load was.

[WA 2 FST]

I've got a really good traction-control system in my truck, so white-smoking isn't a problem. :tongue: However, you make a good argument--you should redyno, soon. :cool:

Rotation's fairly easy with a symmetric uni-directional tire, it just costs whatever DC charges to pop the tire off the rim and move it to the other one, and balancing. I already do that every other rotation, anyhow, so I can get the most out of the tires I do have. :tu:

I have a good contact at DT, and I tip him nicely, but even at that... with my HRE's I only have them mounted/dismounted as little as possible. Less chance of damaging them makes the most sense to me.

Swapping the rears from side-to-side wouldn't buy me mileage anyway. The rears wear very evenly on my truck.

[wesman]

I have a good contact at DT, and I tip him nicely, but even at that... with my HRE's I only have them mounted/dismounted as little as possible. Less chance of damaging them makes the most sense to me.

Swapping the rears from side-to-side wouldn't buy me mileage anyway. The rears wear very evenly on my truck.

Mine too....they always seem to be bald :burnout: :burnout:

[umclightning]

Post pics, pls.

never done it before:confused: but will take some pics of them tonight and try to post them up.

[Sixpipes]

I will be running these next year. :cool:

M and H Drag Radial
325/45R17

http://www.mandhtires.com/sc_images/products/305_image.jpg (http://www.mandhtires.com/sc_images/products/305_large_image.jpg)

DOT Certified
TUBELESS Tread Width: 10.3"
Section Width: 12.1"
Diameter: 28.0"
Circumference: 88.0"
Rim Size: 9.0" - 11.0"

[Tex Arcana]

I have a good contact at DT, and I tip him nicely, but even at that... with my HRE's I only have them mounted/dismounted as little as possible. Less chance of damaging them makes the most sense to me.

Swapping the rears from side-to-side wouldn't buy me mileage anyway. The rears wear very evenly on my truck.

:tongue: that's 'cuz you only smoke 'em in a straight line. :d j/k

[dboat]

Sixer, what wheels will you be running since these are 17"'s??



I will be running these next year. :cool:

M and H Drag Radial
325/45R17

http://www.mandhtires.com/sc_images/products/305_image.jpg (http://www.mandhtires.com/sc_images/products/305_large_image.jpg)

DOT Certified
TUBELESS Tread Width: 10.3"
Section Width: 12.1"
Diameter: 28.0"
Circumference: 88.0"
Rim Size: 9.0" - 11.0"

[L8 APEX]

I think those are for his gen 1's. Check out Ed Okolla's One Lap truck. He had two sets of HRE's I think one was 11-13" wide. He ran Viper tires. Ronald has a slew of pics of that truck. It also had its own website at onelap truck.com or such...

[Sixpipes]

Sixer, what wheels will you be running since these are 17"'s??

I have had these wheels since the first year I bought my truck. The load rating is about 2,200 pounds/tire and I bought them for use at autocross events. I'm tired of running the 20's on the front wit the 16" Centerline/Hoosier so I am planning on using the 17" Progressives on front and back. That way, I can put the 17s on before going to the track and not have to mess with changing tires. I probably will be letting my Autodrag IIIs go in the spring, but I want to make sure I like the M and H tire before I do. :cool:

Houston circa February 2000

http://www.f150online.com/galleries/images/211-239-1528.jpg

Going to Ennis: Summer of 2000 with 17" BFG Drag Radials

http://www.f150online.com/galleries/images/211-239-6648.jpg

[my2002lightning]

Yep, that L was a beast! :bowsI believe the url was www.onelapofamericatruck.com , but I believe it isn't a valid url anymore.

That whole one-lap thing looks like alot of fun! I really like the stance of the L's suspension. :cool:

Ronald

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/6029/344MVC-023F.JPG

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/6029/344MVC-021F.JPG

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/6029/344MVC-022F.JPG


http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/6029/344MVC-025F.JPG

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/6029/344MVC-026F.JPG

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/6029/344MVC-024F.JPG


I think those are for his gen 1's. Check out Ed Okolla's One Lap truck. He had two sets of HRE's I think one was 11-13" wide. He ran Viper tires. Ronald has a slew of pics of that truck. It also had its own website at onelap truck.com or such...