The 30-30-30 rule

[L8 APEX]

Researching some mountainology and I found this.

Polar and Alaskan explorers cite the "30-30-30" rule, which states that at -30°F, with winds of 30 MPH, human flesh will freeze solid in 30 seconds!

[jeff56]

All this mountain talk can lead to nothing good. I spent two years in Steamboat Springs and the saying "it's the winters that bring you there but the summers that keep you there" is very true. I enjoyed my time there very much and reminisce about it once in a while - more so than usual lately it seems. Nevertheless, coming from Texas, it can be a hard thing to adapt to. One of my buddy's sent me this when I was living up there and it's very true! Excuse the language in case it doesn't get bleeped. You'd probably have to have lived it to identify. Snowed so much there, I couldn't see out my windows halfway through the winter. On big snow days, I'd come home from work to an 8' snow bank blocking my drive thanks to the plows.

A TEXAN MOVES TO COLORADO

Dear Diary,

Dec. 8 5:00 P.M. it's starting to snow. The first of the season and
the first one we've seen in years. The wife and I took our hot buttered
rums and sat by the picture window, watching the soft flakes drift down,
clinging to the trees and covering the ground. It was beautiful.

Dec. 9 We awoke to a lovely blanket of crystal white snow covering
the landscape. What a fantastic sight. Every tree and shrub covered
with a beautiful white mantle. I shoveled snow for the first time in
years and loved it. I did both our driveway and our sidewalk. Later
a city snowplow came along and accidentally covered up our driveway
with compacted snow from the street. The driver smiled and waved. I
waved back and shoveled it again.

Dec. 10 It snowed an additional 5 inches last night and the temperature
has dropped to around 11 degrees. Several limbs on the trees and shrubs
snapped due to the weight of the snow. I shoveled our driveway again.
Shortly afterwards, the snowplow came by and did his trick again. Much
of the snow is now brownish gray.

Dec. 11 Warmed up during the day to create some slush, which soon
became ice when the temperature dropped again. Bought snow tires for
both cars. Fell on my ass in the driveway, $145.00 for a chiropractor,
but nothing was broken. More snow and ice expected.

Dec. 12 Still cold. Sold the wife's car and bought a 4 x 4 in order
to get her to work. Slid into a guardrail and did a considerable amount
of damage to the right rear quarter panel. Had another 8 inches of the
white **** last night. Both vehicles covered in salt and crud. More
shoveling in store for me today. That goddam snow plow came by twice
today.

Dec. 13 It's 2 degrees outside. More ****ing snow. Not a tree or shrub
on our property that hasn't been damaged. Power was off most of the
night. Tried to keep from freezing to death with candles and kerosene heater,
which tipped over and damned near burned the house down. I managed to
put the flames out, but suffered second degree burns on my and hands and
lost all my eyelashes and eyebrows. Car slid on ice on the way to
emergency room and was totaled.

Dec. 14 Goddam mother-****ing white **** keeps on coming down. Have
to put on all the clothes we own just to get to the ****ing mail box.
If I ever catch the son-of-a-bitch that drives the snowplow, I'll chew
open his chest and rip out his heart. I think he hides around the corner
and waits for me to finish shoveling and then comes down the street about
100 MPH and buries our driveway again. Power still off. Toilet froze
and part of the roof has started to cave in.

Dec. 15 Six goddam more ****ing inches of the ****ing snow and ****ing
sleet and ****ing ice and who knows what other kind of white **** fell
last night. I wounded the ****ing snowplow ******* with an ice ax but
he got away. Wife left me. Car won't start. I think I'm going snow-
blind. I can't move my toes. Haven't seen the sun in weeks. More snow
predicted. Wind chill factor -22 ****ing degrees. Screw this ****!
I'm moving back to Texas!

[Moonshine]

All this mountain talk can lead to nothing good. I spent two years in Steamboat Springs and the saying "it's the winters that bring you there but the summers that keep you there" is very true. I enjoyed my time there very much and reminisce about it once in a while - more so than usual lately it seems. Nevertheless, coming from Texas, it can be a hard thing to adapt to. One of my buddy's sent me this when I was living up there and it's very true! Excuse the language in case it doesn't get bleeped. You'd probably have to have lived it to identify. Snowed so much there, I couldn't see out my windows halfway through the winter. On big snow days, I'd come home from work to an 8' snow bank blocking my drive thanks to the plows.

A TEXAN MOVES TO COLORADO

Dear Diary,

Dec. 8 5:00 P.M. it's starting to snow. The first of the season and
the first one we've seen in years. The wife and I took our hot buttered
rums and sat by the picture window, watching the soft flakes drift down,
clinging to the trees and covering the ground. It was beautiful.

Dec. 9 We awoke to a lovely blanket of crystal white snow covering
the landscape. What a fantastic sight. Every tree and shrub covered
with a beautiful white mantle. I shoveled snow for the first time in
years and loved it. I did both our driveway and our sidewalk. Later
a city snowplow came along and accidentally covered up our driveway
with compacted snow from the street. The driver smiled and waved. I
waved back and shoveled it again.

Dec. 10 It snowed an additional 5 inches last night and the temperature
has dropped to around 11 degrees. Several limbs on the trees and shrubs
snapped due to the weight of the snow. I shoveled our driveway again.
Shortly afterwards, the snowplow came by and did his trick again. Much
of the snow is now brownish gray.

Dec. 11 Warmed up during the day to create some slush, which soon
became ice when the temperature dropped again. Bought snow tires for
both cars. Fell on my ass in the driveway, $145.00 for a chiropractor,
but nothing was broken. More snow and ice expected.

Dec. 12 Still cold. Sold the wife's car and bought a 4 x 4 in order
to get her to work. Slid into a guardrail and did a considerable amount
of damage to the right rear quarter panel. Had another 8 inches of the
white **** last night. Both vehicles covered in salt and crud. More
shoveling in store for me today. That goddam snow plow came by twice
today.

Dec. 13 It's 2 degrees outside. More ****ing snow. Not a tree or shrub
on our property that hasn't been damaged. Power was off most of the
night. Tried to keep from freezing to death with candles and kerosene heater,
which tipped over and damned near burned the house down. I managed to
put the flames out, but suffered second degree burns on my and hands and
lost all my eyelashes and eyebrows. Car slid on ice on the way to
emergency room and was totaled.

Dec. 14 Goddam mother-****ing white **** keeps on coming down. Have
to put on all the clothes we own just to get to the ****ing mail box.
If I ever catch the son-of-a-bitch that drives the snowplow, I'll chew
open his chest and rip out his heart. I think he hides around the corner
and waits for me to finish shoveling and then comes down the street about
100 MPH and buries our driveway again. Power still off. Toilet froze
and part of the roof has started to cave in.

Dec. 15 Six goddam more ****ing inches of the ****ing snow and ****ing
sleet and ****ing ice and who knows what other kind of white **** fell
last night. I wounded the ****ing snowplow ******* with an ice ax but
he got away. Wife left me. Car won't start. I think I'm going snow-
blind. I can't move my toes. Haven't seen the sun in weeks. More snow
predicted. Wind chill factor -22 ****ing degrees. Screw this ****!
I'm moving back to Texas!

It's stories like this, coupled with just a bit of experience, that keep me from moving to Wyoming. :rolleyes:

[jeff56]

The biggest part is just committing to it, if you're going to do it. Throw you a plow on the front of your truck during winter and you'd own it. I was never confident that it wasn't going to be more than temporary so I didn't invest in some of the things that would have made it easier to cope with the weather.

I lived in a little studio apartment that was built onto this guy's nice condo. It was heated with a gas wall unit - it kicked mucho butt on putting out the heat, but every once in a while the pilot light would go out. I remember several times waking up in the middle of the night when it had gone out and seeing the thermostat pegged out at 40 degrees. Those were rude awakenings!

[Tex Arcana]

It's stories like this, coupled with just a bit of experience, that keep me from moving to Wyoming. :rolleyes:

Depends on which part of Wyoming you move to. Jackson HOle, any place in either the eastern or western mountains: yeah, brace for more snow. Any place in the valleys between the mountains (Riverton, Lander, Cody, or the "low" areas like Cheyenne, Laramie or the center of the state) don't get all that much snow, really. But the entire state gets really really frickin' cold, tho, so if you're thin-blooded, don't bother, you won't like it.

[Tex Arcana]

The biggest part is just committing to it, if you're going to do it. Throw you a plow on the front of your truck during winter and you'd own it. I was never confident that it wasn't going to be more than temporary so I didn't invest in some of the things that would have made it easier to cope with the weather.

I lived in a little studio apartment that was built onto this guy's nice condo. It was heated with a gas wall unit - it kicked mucho butt on putting out the heat, but every once in a while the pilot light would go out. I remember several times waking up in the middle of the night when it had gone out and seeing the thermostat pegged out at 40 degrees. Those were rude awakenings!


Don't forget your emergency kit, in case you get caught in a blizzard or stuck in a snow drift--it can be 3 or 4 days before someone gets to you. :eek:

I had a copier to service in Jackson Hole once, it took me three passes to figure out that two-story log building with the "Antiques" sign was also the lawyer's office I was looking for--which was ALSO their home. :hammer: Of course, like most people up there, they heated the place with wood/pellet stoves, and rarely ran them at nite, so the temps inside would be in the low 50's by the morning. And, of course, the copier didn't work at all when it was that cold; and they weren't too happy to be told that operating temps were between 65 and 85 deg, and that it was their fault. :nono: :rolleyes:

[Moonshine]

Any place in the valleys between the mountains (Riverton, Lander, Cody, or the "low" areas like Cheyenne, Laramie or the center of the state) don't get all that much snow, really. But the entire state gets really really frickin' cold, tho, so if you're thin-blooded, don't bother, you won't like it.

When I was in college I dated a girl who was from Cody, and made several trips up there. Beautiful country, great hunting, and not too many people, but the cold was stout. I recall one trip over Xmas door latches froze, throttle cable froze, got caught in a whiteout coming back from New Years Eve in Billings, etc. If it wasn't for the cold, and the paucity of jobs, I'd be there, but.........

[Silver_2000]

I lived in the north east for 20 years

Its simple - I just dont like being cold. Ever.

The fact that the jobs are harder to find, the unions are much more prevalent, The State Govt is into controlling everything, and you never get to see the sun 9 months a year also makes a difference

Doug

[Mark #2]

I lived in the north east for 20 years

Its simple - I just dont like being cold. Ever.

The fact that the jobs are harder to find, the unions are much more prevalent, The State Govt is into controlling everything, and you never get to see the sun 9 months a year also makes a difference

Doug
Very similar to my experiences, but I miss driving in snow, not ice, but snow, it is a lot of fun.

I think this is what keeps my dad in the NE, he loves driving in snow, he still goes out "drifting" when it snows.

We had a blast in the Beetle, excuse to mom was teaching me how to drive, she didn't buy it.:D

[Silver_2000]

Very similar to my experiences, but I miss driving in snow, not ice, but snow, it is a lot of fun.

I think this is what keeps my dad in the NE, he loves driving in snow, he still goes out "drifting" when it snows.

We had a blast in the Beetle, excuse to mom was teaching me how to drive, she didn't buy it.:D
If they would break NYC loose as its own state and redo the laws as needed for upstate, and get the economy going to generate jobs I wouldn't mind living there again - lots of family up there. But it hasn't been snowing much up there the last few years. So you get to freeze your ass off for 9 months a year and never really get to enjoy the snow. Assuming I was making enough money to keep the house heated. I wear the same clothes IN my mom and dads house as i wear for winter outdoor wear here ... T shirt - Shirt and Fleece on IN the house

[Ohmsby]

Global Warming? I'M FOR IT...... I really do not like the cold

I think we should have the 100-100-100 rule when it's 100 outside do 100mph in the L to purchase 100 cold beers. This will keep you and those close to you cool in these type of emergency situations:D

[dboat]

I lived in the north east for 20 years

Its simple - I just dont like being cold. Ever.

The fact that the jobs are harder to find, the unions are much more prevalent, The State Govt is into controlling everything, and you never get to see the sun 9 months a year also makes a difference

Doug

Ok, some of that is true, well most of it is true, ok all of it is true.. but the way I look at it is that unless you live in So Kalifonia, you have one bad season a year.. for us its winter, for you its summer.. I like having my long sunny days be on average 78 degrees.. but the other stuff Doug mentioned does suck..
Dana

Oh, if you have the right stuff, the snow issue generally isnt too bad.. I have a nice snowblower, two stage, self propelled, etc etc.. it makes it fairly easy to get the driveway done.. also, having a flat driveway that isnt too long helps a lot too.. :D ... that was by design..