Thank me for the nice weather

[L8 APEX]

I have been freezing my pale arse off in the shop these last few months. I finally called Gary over at Wolverton to find me a furnace to replace the broken dinosaur. He found me a huge 140K BTU new in the scratch and dent section. I spent Saturday night and Sunday tearing the old one out and installing the new one. By the time I get it running we'll have nice 68 degree sunny days. Thanks for the hookup Gary:bows .
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[TXLIGHTNING]

That's about how thing go... We got some more cold weather coming Terry. That new unit will come in handy when it hits. :tu:

[gbgary]

don't mention it. http://www.talonclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Wht95Lightning]

Start washing trucks. It's the only way to fix your problem. :D

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Thats nice but you'd need more than that up here.. my 30k unit in the garage is running 24/7 and cant keep up.. the garage is normally 50 degrees but right now its 40... maybe its the single digit weather outside with wind chills in the negative teens:rolleyes:

Dana

dang its cold..

[L8 APEX]

30K is weak, I wouldn't put that in a closet:D . I use a jet heater as a poor man's heater except it takes 16 bucks a day in fuels. I say fuels because it is designed for kerosene which is nearing $7 a gallon at HomoDepot. So I run diesel which is about $2.30 a gallon right now. When it gets too cold for the diesel to ignite I mix gasoline in it. I call it the hot stuff it is 4 gals diesel and 1.5 gals 87 octane. I think it yields another 10K out of the 60KBTU heater. But it does bring on some horrible headaches and tracers. I think it is fueling my paranoia:tex

[PUMP]

I think it is fueling my paranoia:tex
The old "Catch 22" strikes again.
If your sane enough to ask this question, then you're probably not paranoid.:evil

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30K is weak, I wouldn't put that in a closet:D . I use a jet heater as a poor man's heater except it takes 16 bucks a day in fuels. I say fuels because it is designed for kerosene which is nearing $7 a gallon at HomoDepot. So I run diesel which is about $2.30 a gallon right now. When it gets too cold for the diesel to ignite I mix gasoline in it. I call it the hot stuff it is 4 gals diesel and 1.5 gals 87 octane. I think it yields another 10K out of the 60KBTU heater. But it does bring on some horrible headaches and tracers. I think it is fueling my paranoia:tex

Geesh, beat a man while his heater is working overtime to keep his 1000 sq ft garage a bit warm.. :hammer: It was the largest vent free unit I could find to hook up to the natural gas line.. this is the first time its been hammered. It usually is fine.. I had thought about one of those jet/bullet heaters for out there but decided I didnt want the hassle of refueling all the time. But I do bet the fumes are good:banana:

Dana

[L8 APEX]

You should get a built in vented unit over the summer for next winter.

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You should get a built in vented unit over the summer for next winter.

Oh, I know I know.. actually I should have done vented the first go round when the house was being built:o .. I have to run the dehumidifier in there all the time when the heater is running.. but I just didnt have the money to do it when we were building and wanted to go this route.. it was cheap, really cheap to do this way.

Dana

[Tex Arcana]

Oh, I know I know.. actually I should have done vented the first go round when the house was being built:o .. I have to run the dehumidifier in there all the time when the heater is running.. but I just didnt have the money to do it when we were building and wanted to go this route.. it was cheap, really cheap to do this way.

Dana
You should insulate the garage as well. That alone would conserve a great deal of heat.

That said, I'm going to take the old house ac/heater unit (3 tons), and put it in the shop space I'm building, but I'm not planning on running it full-time, just to knock the temps up or down as needed. :cool:

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You should insulate the garage as well. That alone would conserve a great deal of heat.

That said, I'm going to take the old house ac/heater unit (3 tons), and put it in the shop space I'm building, but I'm not planning on running it full-time, just to knock the temps up or down as needed. :cool:

It is fully insulated and so are the garage doors.. you have to up here, well, not everyone does.. two of the walls are foam and the other two fiberglass.. what is interesting is that the foam way outperforms the fiberglass..

Dana

[Tex Arcana]

It is fully insulated and so are the garage doors.. you have to up here, well, not everyone does.. two of the walls are foam and the other two fiberglass.. what is interesting is that the foam way outperforms the fiberglass..

Dana

NOt surprising at all, the key to preventing heat migration is to limit air movement; trapping pockets of air is the basis on which insulation works, but since foam is a plastic and plastic is not a good heat conductor, it has a better insulating value than fiberglass.

Is the foam the spray-on kind, or is it foam "boards"?

I looked into the spray-on foam, but it was just way too expensive. They have do-it-yourself "kits", but the rig rental alone is nearly $1k for a day. :eek2: All told, it ends up over 3 times the cost of regular fiberglass. :(

[Chris94L]

Start washing trucks. It's the only way to fix your problem. :D
yeah it keeps saying its going to rain this week, and every day I don't wash my truck, it holds off another day...I just know I'm going to wash it and it rain that afternoon.

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NOt surprising at all, the key to preventing heat migration is to limit air movement; trapping pockets of air is the basis on which insulation works, but since foam is a plastic and plastic is not a good heat conductor, it has a better insulating value than fiberglass.

Is the foam the spray-on kind, or is it foam "boards"?

I looked into the spray-on foam, but it was just way too expensive. They have do-it-yourself "kits", but the rig rental alone is nearly $1k for a day. :eek2: All told, it ends up over 3 times the cost of regular fiberglass. :(

The builder uses the spray in type.. it saves him money because you dont have to do house wrap and the labor is cheaper since the foam is easier to install and faster.. they spray it in and then come back and grind off the excess.. the nice part is that it makes for a really tight house and really knocks down all the outside noise..
Dana

[Tex Arcana]

yeah it keeps saying its going to rain this week, and every day I don't wash my truck, it holds off another day...I just know I'm going to wash it and it rain that afternoon.

Well, hold off, I need to gett the electricity/meter base/transformer swapped out, and the more it rains, the longer it takes the elec co. to come out and do it. :mad:

[Tex Arcana]

The builder uses the spray in type.. it saves him money because you dont have to do house wrap and the labor is cheaper since the foam is easier to install and faster.. they spray it in and then come back and grind off the excess.. the nice part is that it makes for a really tight house and really knocks down all the outside noise..
Dana

We're getting raped down here on that stuff, so no one is using it. :( It bites because it's superior.

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We're getting raped down here on that stuff, so no one is using it. :( It bites because it's superior.


See, there is no Manuel Labor here. Only 10% of the population of Erie County is minority..

Dana

[Tex Arcana]

See, there is no Manuel Labor here. Only 10% of the population of Erie County is minority..

Dana

:lol: The problem isn't the availability of cheap labor; the problem is stubborn mulletheaded good ol' boys who couldn't think their way outside a box with a head start and a road map, who refuse to grasp the fact that something might be superior to something else, even if it's "different"; so we get screwed because they refuse to adopt the new tech. :(

[Silver_2000]

:lol: The problem isn't the availability of cheap labor; the problem is stubborn mulletheaded good ol' boys who couldn't think their way outside a box with a head start and a road map, who refuse to grasp the fact that something might be superior to something else, even if it's "different"; so we get screwed because they refuse to adopt the new tech. :(
I got the stuff on my attic... Encapsulated my ducts..

[L8 APEX]

Ethan's dad just built his retirement home in the Midlothian country side. He had everything sprayed in the walls and such. It was a spray and shave job through out.

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Ethan's dad just built his retirement home in the Midlothian country side. He had everything sprayed in the walls and such. It was a spray and shave job through out.


Howz he liking it?

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I got the stuff on my attic... Encapsulated my ducts..


IIRC, you saw a huge difference right away.. right?

[Tex Arcana]

Ethan's dad just built his retirement home in the Midlothian country side. He had everything sprayed in the walls and such. It was a spray and shave job through out.

We looked into the "dyi" setup: it was almost $1000 per day to rent the equipment, and $3500 for the material that would cover the walls only of about 2 rooms. :eek2:

I may do it to the workshop later on down the road, when the prices come down. :(

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We looked into the "dyi" setup: it was almost $1000 per day to rent the equipment, and $3500 for the material that would cover the walls only of about 2 rooms. :eek2:

I may do it to the workshop later on down the road, when the prices come down. :(

who did you get to quote the job from an outside resource? It might be cheaper since they have all the equipment?
Dana

[Silver_2000]

IIRC, you saw a huge difference right away.. right?
yes prior to that my AC couldn't keep up in the summer - I had already manually replaced a bunch of hem that had split - I fixed the worst of them.

It wasnt cheap BUT it wasnt as expensive as Tex suggests
AC works great now - of course in the years since the AC failed - and was replaced by Plano A/C
here is picture I found

[Tex Arcana]

who did you get to quote the job from an outside resource? It might be cheaper since they have all the equipment?
Dana

I did, they wanted almost 6k to do the apartment section, compared to just over $2k for the best fiberglass bid. :(

[Tex Arcana]

yes prior to that my AC couldn't keep up in the summer - I had already manually replaced a bunch of hem that had split - I fixed the worst of them.

It wasnt cheap BUT it wasnt as expensive as Tex suggests
AC works great now - of course in the years since the AC failed - and was replaced by Plano A/C
here is picture I found

Who'd you get to do that, and how much did you pay? Because I'm not kidding here: these prices are accurate (well, rounded, but still), and I can't find anyone that will do it cheaper, they ALL say it's not cheap, or even comparable to, "traditional" insulation.

[L8 APEX]

I would charge some mad labor to chip that **** out of there to replace equipment!

[Silver_2000]

I would charge some mad labor to chip that **** out of there to replace equipment!
Rons guys werent thrilled - but the equipment is easy to get to

Just because its different than what you see every day doesnt make it bad.. :evil

[Silver_2000]

Who'd you get to do that, and how much did you pay? Because I'm not kidding here: these prices are accurate (well, rounded, but still), and I can't find anyone that will do it cheaper, they ALL say it's not cheap, or even comparable to, "traditional" insulation.

http://www.advancedinsulationinc.com/sprayfoam/default.htm
http://www.foamamerica.com/savings.php

I dont remember who did mine - i tried google and didnt come up with the name

[Tex Arcana]

http://www.advancedinsulationinc.com/sprayfoam/default.htm
http://www.foamamerica.com/savings.php

I dont remember who did mine - i tried google and didnt come up with the name

yah, those are two of 'em I called for estimates, and they were not cheap.

Something else, my builder brought up: foaming wall cavities can make it impossible to access said cavities for repair of pipes and/or wiring embedded in the foam. :(

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yah, those are two of 'em I called for estimates, and they were not cheap.

Something else, my builder brought up: foaming wall cavities can make it impossible to access said cavities for repair of pipes and/or wiring embedded in the foam. :(

yep, but how often does that really happen? not much in my lifetime.. just deal with it when it comes around.. the benefits WAY out way the detriments.

Dana

[Tex Arcana]

yep, but how often does that really happen? not much in my lifetime.. just deal with it when it comes around.. the benefits WAY out way the detriments.

Dana

I"m beginning to rethink this... I need to find my quotes and do a bit more thinking.

[Silver_2000]

yah, those are two of 'em I called for estimates, and they were not cheap.

Something else, my builder brought up: foaming wall cavities can make it impossible to access said cavities for repair of pipes and/or wiring embedded in the foam. :(

You are looking for what is seen by many as the BEST way and you are expecting to pay Walmart prices ....

:ron:speaking of walmart - after walkiing thru the Walmart about 3 miles away Im thinking about moving... Maybe into the country ... :nono:

[Moonshine]

:ron:speaking of walmart - after walkiing thru the Walmart about 3 miles away Im thinking about moving... Maybe into the country ... :nono:

Not sure what you're hoping to find, but I went to the brand new Wal-Mart in Midlothian Sat at 5:00 PM. Was in the store for 12 minutes, and in that time I saw four people wearing pajamas. :hammer:

[Silver_2000]

Not sure what you're hoping to find, but I went to the brand new Wal-Mart in Midlothian Sat at 5:00 PM. Was in the store for 12 minutes, and in that time I saw four people wearing pajamas. :hammer:

In my store it was a place to hang out. It looked like a bus started in the hood, went by the trailer park, swung into the rehab facility and dropped off about 300 people and told them to go entertain themselves in the store for a few hours. They were clearly not shopping. While I was in line I saw 3 different people leave without all their bags, which means to me they weren't interested in what was in them.

ironically I should have asked a few of them where they get the 5 foot long tshirts they are wearing because Im always looking for Tall sizes :rll::rll::rll::rll::rll:

[wesman]

lol....this thread has certainly derailed.


I agree...I want to move somewhere with about 5 acres and neighbors that know better than to cross the property line for fear that "the crazy man" is gonna get them :)

I don't go to Walmart much, just for a few items when needed. The one in Mansfield is still nice compared to most I've been in. I only go in/out through the garden section tho....a lot less "people" contact I've found.

--wes

[Tex Arcana]

You are looking for what is seen by many as the BEST way and you are expecting to pay Walmart prices ....

:ron:speaking of walmart - after walkiing thru the Walmart about 3 miles away Im thinking about moving... Maybe into the country ... :nono:

What I'm really looking for is the damn mullettheaded fools to stop saying "I AINT GONNA DO IT DAT WAY, IF IT WUZ GUF ENUF FOR ME AND MAH DADDY AN MAH GRANDPAPPY ITS GUD ENUF FER YUO!", and step into the 21st century. If the prices weren't literally DOUBLE (and I didn't have a wife and accountant all over my butt about the expenditures), it'd be a no-brainer. :(

[03LightningRocks]

In my store it was a place to hang out. It looked like a bus started in the hood, went by the trailer park, swung into the rehab facility and dropped off about 300 people and told them to go entertain themselves in the store for a few hours. They were clearly not shopping. While I was in line I saw 3 different people leave without all their bags, which means to me they weren't interested in what was in them.

ironically I should have asked a few of them where they get the 5 foot long tshirts they are wearing because Im always looking for Tall sizes :rll::rll::rll::rll::rll:

What we are dealing with is the sewage that floated up from the hurricane in Louisiana. They will all go home, just as soon as they are sure that all the work is done there. For now we are stuck with their lazy no good asses.

[03LightningRocks]

What I'm really looking for is the damn mullettheaded fools to stop saying "I AINT GONNA DO IT DAT WAY, IF IT WUZ GUF ENUF FOR ME AND MAH DADDY AN MAH GRANDPAPPY ITS GUD ENUF FER YUO!", and step into the 21st century. . :(


Maybe if you would quit trying to find the cheapest sh!t labor available, you would find that there are professionals who would be more than happy to do the job right for you.

By the way, does the Joe Bob who threw in that cheap POS air conditioner for you know you are getting online and bashing him?

You are amazing Tex...just focking amazing :rolleyes:.

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What we are dealing with is the sewage that floated up from the hurricane in Louisiana. They will all go home, just as soon as they are sure that all the work is done there. For now we are stuck with their lazy no good asses.

Ron, the Wal-marts I went in when I lived there were just as described and this was before Katrina. I refuse to go to Wal-mart.. I really despise it. I went into one in Marble Falls by in laws and it was actually the first decent one I have been in. The rest of them are filled with ... well, I just wont go there. I guess I am a Target man now..

Dana

[03LightningRocks]

Ron, the Wal-marts I went in when I lived there were just as described and this was before Katrina.

Dana


You would need to double up on what you saw before Katrina.......trust me...there goes the neighborhood would be an understatement. The government set up darned near every apartment complex around here as section eight to accommodate the overflow. It was easy transporting them here. The problem is in how the hell to get them out. As long as the freebies keep on rolling in, they won't be going anywhere. Hell, even if the freebies are cut off, they won't go away now. They will just start stealing what they want.

That place was a cesspool of welfare and corruption. We are talking about three and four generation welfare families. Working was not a way of life for them before Katrina....and it sure as hell isn't going to become a way of life for them now.

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You would need to double up on what you saw before Katrina.......trust me...there goes the neighborhood would be an understatement. The government set up darned near every apartment complex around here as section eight to accommodate the overflow. It was easy transporting them here. The problem is in how the hell to get them out. As long as the freebies keep on rolling in, they won't be going anywhere. Hell, even if the freebies are cut off, they won't go away now. They will just start stealing what they want.

That place was a cesspool of welfare and corruption. We are talking about three and four generation welfare families. Working was not a way of life for them before Katrina....and it sure as hell isn't going to become a way of life for them now.

I spent a couple of months in New Orleans in the French Quarter area.. the patients that came in to be seen had to have the registration form read to them.. in NO proper, 1 out of every 3 people were illiterate.. it was so sad that it was disgusting.
As far as Walmart goes, the ones in Dallas were a haven for human trash of all kind.. they arent a whole lot different up here either..

Now you went and made me remember all that crap from years ago dammit.. :flaming:

Well, its nice to know that our hard earned tax payer dollars are taking care of these folks.. :flaming: :flaming: :flaming:

Dana

[Tex Arcana]

Maybe if you would quit trying to find the cheapest sh!t labor available, you would find that there are professionals who would be more than happy to do the job right for you.

By the way, does the Joe Bob who threw in that cheap POS air conditioner for you know you are getting online and bashing him?

You are amazing Tex...just focking amazing :rolleyes:.

There ya go again, threadcrapping where you haven't the faintest clue what the hell is going on. :rolleyes: Why don't you go play with your widescreen TV or yell at one of your employees, and let the rest of us have a conversation here, mkay? :hammer: