Engineering degrees

[Mark #2]

People with degrees in Science and Engineering in our economy are:

BS= Barely Surviving
MS= Maybe Surviving
PHD= Probably Having Difficulty (staying employed)

A truly sad state for US science and engineering degrees.

[L8 APEX]

There are a ton of them for sure now days. The ones with common sense and real world knowledge will always do well. What brings this on?

[dboat]

People with degrees in Science and Engineering in our economy are:

BS= Barely Surviving
MS= Maybe Surviving
PHD= Probably Having Difficulty (staying employed)

A truly sad state for US science and engineering degrees.

This due to outsourcing?

[02REDSVT]

I got my Computer and Electronics Engineering degree but could never find a job close to home. All the interviews I went to were 40 to 70 miles away. So I never found a job in my field. But now I work in the oilfield/gas. And only drive 9 miles to work. Its a world wide company and I get to transfer anywhere after a year, if I wanted to.

[wesman]

This due to outsourcing?

Large part.

Engineers in China, India etc will do the same job for a third of the money.

--wes

[L8 APEX]

I have heard the same thing for US based yobs. One examply I heard was American grads expect to make 75K+ benefits for engineering level work. Middle Eastern grads from the same good American schools will work harder for 35-40K and no benefits. Apparently they will work for 7 years or so then retire back to India, Pakistan or such..

[WA 2 FST]

Middle Eastern grads from the same good American schools will work harder for 35-40K and no benefits. Apparently they will work for 7 years or so then retire back to India, Pakistan or such..

No, after 7 years they go back and work for Bin Ladin and try and figure a way to blow up the very US university they graduated from (actually "worked" for him or some other terrorist organization from the get-go).

Sorry... couldn't resist the thread hijack.

If our companies are willing to outsource work to foreigners who work for cheaper, then this type of thing will always go in cycles. Until the American worker can prove he can do a better job/make a better product for the same $$, then big business will look elsewhere in the global market of the 21st century. I'm not saying it's right, but there's not one of us here who would like to pay for _everything_ to be made/sourced from the US. We'd be too expensive for our own good.

Nevertheless it stinks that the foreign job market undercuts the US workers so drastically.

[Silver_2000]

No, after 7 years they go back and work for Bin Ladin and try and figure a way to blow up the very US university they graduated from (actually "worked" for him or some other terrorist organization from the get-go).

Sorry... couldn't resist the thread hijack.

If our companies are willing to outsource work to foreigners who work for cheaper, then this type of thing will always go in cycles. Until the American worker can prove he can do a better job/make a better product for the same $$, then big business will look elsewhere in the global market of the 21st century. I'm not saying it's right, but there's not one of us here who would like to pay for _everything_ to be made/sourced from the US. We'd be too expensive for our own good.

Nevertheless it stinks that the foreign job market undercuts the US workers so drastically.

Its already happening - CEOs are growing tired of the decreasing savings and increasing complaints about service and quality in outsourced goods...

[tliss]

Its already happening - CEOs are growing tired of the decreasing savings and increasing complaints about service and quality in outsourced goods...

You get what you pay for. An example of this...the powers that be here decided to lay off the entire fulfillment organziation and replace them with new hires fresh out of skool in Mexico back in late June. We missed our 2nd quarter revenue numbers because we were unable to ship product on time (a function of the fulfillment oprganization), and we are in danger of the same this quarter. Yet the powers that be consider the move a success??? :icon_rolleyes: And they wonder why we didn't make our numbers last quarter??

We also outsourced all of our manufacturing and are now hogtied by our suppliers who don't have the product to meet our demands...another "success".

I hope our powers that be figure it out soon and come back to reality.

Tom

[Mark #2]

Large part.

Engineers in China, India etc will do the same job for a third of the money.

--wes
Should not comment.

[oldfrmtrk]

BSIE (30) years in the field… 75k+ per year, active profit sharing every April 2K+, 100% up to 6% company match on 401k…..

In 30 years, I have never been unemployed for longer than 3 weeks… Today there is over 10 active permanent local jobs, and over 20 temporary contract positions nationwide, and about that many more worldwide.

I work the field that I studied for, and have had a fun time doing it. What on earth are you guys taking about, If you want to work, you will find work!!!!

[TXLIGHTNING]

BSIE (30) years in the field… 75k+ per year, active profit sharing every April 2K+, 100% up to 6% company match on 401k…..

In 30 years, I have never been unemployed for longer than 3 weeks… Today there is over 10 active permanent local jobs, and over 20 temporary contract positions nationwide, and about that many more worldwide.

I work the field that I studied for, and have had a fun time doing it. What on earth are you guys taking about, If you want to work, you will find work!!!! 2nd post since 2003 :eek2:. We got another lurking record here :twitch:.

[98Cobra]

Pretty soon, we'll have to outsource all of our Retroencabulator work too...


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[PUMP]

Pretty soon, we'll have to outsource all of our Retroencabulator work too... snip

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Well sheet, there goes 40-years of engineering experience into the dumpster:hammer:

[03LightningRocks]

2nd post since 2003 :eek2:. We got another lurking record here :twitch:.


Nope...the same guy holds the record already. He made his first post a week or so ago...:evil. He doesn't get to hold more than one record at a time in the same category. It's in the rules.:tex

[TXLIGHTNING]

Nope...the same guy holds the record already. He made his first post a week or so ago...:evil. He doesn't get to hold more than one record at a time in the same category. It's in the rules.:tex :rll: I didnt even notice. Good eye there Rocks :beer:.

[oldfrmtrk]

2nd post since 2003 http://www.talonclub.com/forum/images/smilies/eek2.gif. We got another lurking record here http://www.talonclub.com/forum/images/smilies/twitch22.gif.

It's because I'm usually working!!

I can’t believe that I have only visited this site only two times, WOW!!!!

HALO, for the most part is usually jumping, and that is where I hang my hat!!!:icon_rolleyes:

[tiffo60]

It's because I'm usually working!!

I can’t believe that I have only visited this site only two times, WOW!!!!

HALO, for the most part is usually jumping, and that is where I hang my hat!!!:icon_rolleyes:

you must be one of the few they let into there secret society:rolleyes:

[TXLIGHTNING]

It's because I'm usually working!!

I can’t believe that I have only visited this site only two times, WOW!!!!

HALO, for the most part is usually jumping, and that is where I hang my hat!!!:icon_rolleyes: OK MAN!!! I was just pulling your leg :tongue:. Don't get your panties in a bunch :rolleyes:.

[oldfrmtrk]

It's ok.....

I enjoy a good laugh, just like the rest of them…

No offence taken, it’s all in fun…..

:) :) :)

[TXLIGHTNING]

It's ok.....

I enjoy a good laugh, just like the rest of them…

No offence taken, it’s all in fun…..

:) :) :) Its all good :beer:.

[Mark #2]

BSIE (30) years in the field… 75k+ per year, active profit sharing every April 2K+, 100% up to 6% company match on 401k…..

In 30 years, I have never been unemployed for longer than 3 weeks… Today there is over 10 active permanent local jobs, and over 20 temporary contract positions nationwide, and about that many more worldwide.

I work the field that I studied for, and have had a fun time doing it. What on earth are you guys taking about, If you want to work, you will find work!!!!
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070910/tx_texas_instruments_layoffs.html?.v=1

[oldfrmtrk]

Woo hoooooooo!!!!

60 days of paid vacation, why those lucky stiffs!!!!

:banana:

Then they can move down to Houston, that is where the action is....

"It is not the strongest species that survive, or the most intelligent but the most responsive to change."
- Charles Darwin
:)

[SILVER2000SVT]

When I first got out of school in 99 I could cold call places and find engineering job openings. I was able to name my price straight out of school.

In 2003 when I was looking for work it was very hard to even get interviews. I was out of work for almost 3 months, I had went almost 2 months without a single interview. That was a major slow point in the US economy. I did have numerous opportunities down in Houston, but who would want to live there? I would rather sweep floors than move down there to be an engineer.

Currently the economy is really good. I've had to be rude to the recruiters lately to tell them to leave me alone. We have several engineering positions open at our location, some have been open close to a year from low level to senior level for Electrical engineers.

We've had to resort to farming out engineering work to India. It works out to be about half the price, but the bad part is you have to keep sending it back until they get it right or you fix it yourself so all in all I haven't seen any real gain. Based on their work its like they don't have any real world experience. It really only works for very simple highly repetitive tasks, but you could probably get an intern for similar costs. A lot of the guys I've worked with over there are really smart but don't have the experience to back it up and will probably never get it either because they don't see the end results of their work so they can never learn for themselves. This is a problem for any company where the engineering is done offsite, those engineers will never really grow to the level of their predecessors that got to touch and feel their work. That's just my 2 cents.

[oldfrmtrk]

down in Houston, but who would want to live there? I would rather sweep floors than move down there to be an engineer.



Funny; I feel the same way, about north Texas, There is no place to run my 40’ cigar boat. I’m 15 minutes away from Clear Lake, it leads to Galveston bay and then to the Golf of Mexico, you can really open her up out there…
:banana:
Life is a waste of time, and time is a waste of life, then let's all get wasted together and have the time of our lives. Armand's Pizza, Washington, DC.

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[Silver_2000]

Technology services company Electronic Data Systems on Wednesday said it offered early retirement to about 12,000 U.S. employees, nearly a quarter of its U.S. workforce, and expected a charge of $70 million to $130 million in the fourth quarter.

Im no engineer but that sounds bad when they laid off 5000 last year