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L8 APEX
11-26-2007, 10:57 PM
Well they didn't waste any time replacing Coach Fran. Chan Gailey got the axe today as well. This new guy sure isn't much of a public speaker...

WA 2 FST
11-26-2007, 11:37 PM
This may be the right hire (AD Bill Byrne has done a good job with the other recent hires), but its a yawner. Hopefully for the Aggies sake Sherman does a good job.

I'll give him 3 years to win the Big 12 south. If he doesn't, he'll be history.

TP Derrick D
11-26-2007, 11:47 PM
Well they didn't waste any time replacing Coach Fran. Chan Gailey got the axe today as well. This new guy sure isn't much of a public speaker...

Mike Sherman use to be an assistant coach at A&M back in the mid '90's, he was also head coach of the Green Bay Packers for 5-6 years and won for his first couple years then the Pack had a couple bad years and they let him go. Chan Gailey was doing a good job at Georgia Tech as far as winning and even went to bowl game every year of his 6 year tenure. His downfall was that he went 0-6 against in-state arch rival Georgia. Problem is Georgia is in the SEC, the toughest conference in college football. I'm sure he will be hired shortly if he's not under contract with Geogia Tech for X-years. Huston Nutt at Arkansas got a pick slip or resigned(heard it both ways) today as well. Did an OK job but once again he was in the SEC, went to 3 conferance champions but lost them all and had a winning record. He did beat LSU this past weekend but playing Tennesse,South Carolina, LSU,Georgia,Auburn,Flordia,Alabama,Kentucky all thats in or been in the top 25 year in and year out then there's the conference bottom dwellers Mississippi,Mississippi State, Vanderbilt that may be at top of some other conferences is tough.There are some pretty good coaches going head to head there.

WA 2 FST
11-26-2007, 11:52 PM
Houston Nutt resigned. After the rumor mill had swirled that he would be let go after the season, they offered him a 2yr extension today ... just 48 hours after beating LSU. He told them to pound sand. I don't blame him.

TP Derrick D
11-27-2007, 12:28 AM
Houston Nutt resigned. After the rumor mill had swirled that he would be let go after the season, they offered him a 2yr extension today ... just 48 hours after beating LSU. He told them to pound sand. I don't blame him.

Yeah, just saw the late Sportscenter. Its been cooking since last year when that QB transfered that Arkansas was in turmoil.Plus boosters was unhappy with him. That QB was suppose to be a bluechipper, I forgot his name & where he went, USC I believe. Yeah now I remember ,Mitch Mustain.

TP Derrick D
11-27-2007, 10:04 AM
Houston Nutt resigned. After the rumor mill had swirled that he would be let go after the season, they offered him a 2yr extension today ... just 48 hours after beating LSU. He told them to pound sand. I don't blame him.

Houston Nutt was hired by Ole Miss(Mississippi). I knew he wasn't going to last long nor will Chan Gailey they are winning coaches & have too much experience. Too bad teams are in a hurry to win championships right away and not give a coach time to build the team,look at the Cowboys, Tuna built that team now he's gone & Phillips get the glory, now look at Notre Dame....pitiful...they fired Ty Willingham after 3 years because he 21-15 I believe, now Weis has a worst 3 year record & goes 3-9 this year, worst record in N.D.history. I was hoping they lose every game because of their schedule,they only play 2-3 hard teams a year, the rest of their games are against historically soft teams. Maybe Chan Gailey will go to Baylor, isn't he from Texas?

dboat
11-27-2007, 10:53 AM
Houston Nutt was hired by Ole Miss(Mississippi). I knew he wasn't going to last long nor will Chan Gailey they are winning coaches & have too much experience. Too bad teams are in a hurry to win championships right away and not give a coach time to build the team,look at the Cowboys, Tuna built that team now he's gone & Phillips get the glory, now look at Notre Dame....pitiful...they fired Ty Willingham after 3 years because he 21-15 I believe, now Weis has a worst 3 year record & goes 3-9 this year, worst record in N.D.history. I was hoping they lose every game because of their schedule,they only play 2-3 hard teams a year, the rest of their games are against historically soft teams. Maybe Chan Gailey will go to Baylor, isn't he from Texas?

Derrick, couldnt have said it better myself.. the Great Weiss Hope... I am a Notre Dame hater.. I hope they lose every game every year... but what they did to Ty aint right either..

Dana

TP Derrick D
11-28-2007, 12:20 AM
Houston Nutt was hired by Ole Miss(Mississippi). I knew he wasn't going to last long nor will Chan Gailey they are winning coaches & have too much experience. Too bad teams are in a hurry to win championships right away and not give a coach time to build the team,look at the Cowboys, Tuna built that team now he's gone & Phillips get the glory, now look at Notre Dame....pitiful...they fired Ty Willingham after 3 years because he 21-15 I believe, now Weis has a worst 3 year record & goes 3-9 this year, worst record in N.D.history. I was hoping they lose every game because of their schedule,they only play 2-3 hard teams a year, the rest of their games are against historically soft teams. Maybe Chan Gailey will go to Baylor, isn't he from Texas?

Sportscenter update...Georgia Tech may lose some of their top recruits due to Chan Gailey firing. Baylor is interested in U of Houston coach, Art Briles.

dboat
11-28-2007, 04:58 AM
Sportscenter update...Georgia Tech may lose some of their top recruits due to Chan Gailey firing. Baylor is interested in U of Houston coach, Art Briles.


Baylor had better keep their stinking fingers off of Art Briles...

UH, class of 1979...

Dana

TP Derrick D
11-28-2007, 08:26 PM
Baylor had better keep their stinking fingers off of Art Briles...

UH, class of 1979...

Dana

Sorry Dana, This just in at 3pm today...Art Briles, New Baylor Football Coach
ref: College Football Live & the TV crawl on ESPN,ESPN2 &ESPNews

dboat
11-28-2007, 09:23 PM
Sorry Dana, This just in at 3pm today...Art Briles, New Baylor Football Coach
ref: College Football Live & the TV crawl on ESPN,ESPN2 &ESPNews

Derrick, I saw it on the crawler on ESPN earlier today.. man, I really hate that since he was getting that program going again..
I really loved Bill Yeoman when he was there.. he was instrumental in introducing black athletes to Div 1 football, he was one of the first to have his athletes lift weights year round for endurance and strength.. he was one of the first places to have a structured athletic trainer program. He was also just a good all around coach and fellow.

But they will have to go out and find someone else to go there.. when Bill was there during my time at UH, we finished once in the top 4 in the country and went to the Cotton Bowl 3 out of 4 years.. those were good times..

Dana

TP Derrick D
11-28-2007, 09:35 PM
Dana,
I never pulled for the Cougars in football until the Andre Ware years, I did however pull for the b-ball team during the "Phi Slamma Jamma" years. I hate to see "small" schools get on a winning track then have the program fall down because the coach leave for the "big" school so called glamor job.

dboat
11-28-2007, 09:40 PM
Dana,
I never pulled for the Cougars in football until the Andre Ware years, I did however pull for the b-ball team during the "Phi Slamma Jamma" years. I hate to see "small" schools get on a winning track then have the program fall down because the coach leave for the "big" school so called glamor job.

Derrick, thanks, thats good to know.. I pulled for Andre to win the Heisman and am glad he did, just wish he could have done better in the pros.. I also pulled for Klinger too, I thought he had a fantastic arm, but he just got too beat up in Cincy.. Akeem Olajuwon lived in my apartment complex as the owner was a UH alumn. :ron:I remember going into the managers office to pay rent and he was in there. He didnt look 7 feet tall, as I thought I would have to crane my head back just to see him, however, I looked over and realized his hips were as high as my chest.. then it hit me, OHHHH, dang, he is that tall.. :ron:

Briles says he left for that area of Tx, (it is where he is from) and to be in the Big 12. I cant say I blame him.. face it Houston aint what it used to be to live in..

Dana

WA 2 FST
11-29-2007, 12:07 AM
It's funny... growing up in the Dallas area and being a big fan of the SWC, I always respected U of H and never once thought of them as a "small school". In fact, I was shocked the Big 12 took Baylor over UH... but I'm sure the almighty $$ drove all those decisions.

Baylor is a dead-end job. I don't know why Briles would think that is an upgrade unless he is just now getting paid $2M which is what it seems most of the coaches in the Big 12 are getting. Coaches who want to move up, wouldn't coach at Baylor.

Some jobs are "stepping stones"... Iowa State for Gene Chizik (at least that's what he has to be hoping) is a good example. But Baylor is a ticket to perennial last place in the Big 12 south... with a remote chance of beating a low-ranking Big 12 north team every now and then (if that's who you happen to play from the north in a particular year).

Don't get me wrong. I think Baylor is a good school. But from a football perspective, they do not belong in the Big 12. Never have competed, and never will.

TP Derrick D
11-29-2007, 02:30 PM
Yeah Dana,
David Klingler & Andre Ware had subpar NFL careers compared to what was expected from them based on their college careers. Andre Ware probably had a lot to do with that Heisman NFL busts label that got started back then.
Wes,
I was born & bred in SEC land and that conference is by far the best football conference right now. I don't remember hearing of Baylor until 1980 I believe when the Crimson Tide came to the Cotton Bowl & put a 30-2 beatdown on them. I always wondered if Mike Singletary was on that team. Anyway, I hope Art Briles can at least breathe some respectability back into Baylor. With him being from Stephenville he may have some recruiting influence and bring in some of the low end bluechippers & 2nd tier recruits that goes to A&M & Texas just to ride the pine.
I can't take credit for this because I heard one of the college sportscasters say it first..."the smaller & lesser winning schools have started convincing low end bluechippers & 2nd tier recruits to come to their school and play verus going to the big school and sit on the bench, and its working, smaller schools & traditionally lesser winning schools are winning". The Big 12 is bascially a 3 school conference in Texas, OU and whatever third team decide to get in the game usually A&M or the 'Huskers lately with exception of this year when Mizzou got in the game, KU schedule is being critized for not playing the conference powerhouses and having a really, really weak schedule out-of conference...

WA 2 FST
11-29-2007, 03:11 PM
Derrick,

I agree w/ regards to the SEC. I'd put the Big 12 second behind them... Big 10 (which has 11 teams, LOL) is sad this year, which is why I do not want to see Ohio State playing in the title game.

Anyway, the quote you reference has a ton of merit. Instead of going to a bigger "perennial power" type school to see if you might get to play your JR/SR year, go to a school that has yet to make a name for itself and try and build a legacy to leave behind, play 4 years, and if you're lucky/good enough, you'll play in the NFL regardless of where you went to college.

Texas lost their young QB from Stephenville when Colt McCoy beat him out (can't remember his name right now... oh yeah, Jevan Snead). Fact is, Texas could probably use him right now... McCoy was a one-year wonder as a freshman. But they're not hurting... they have Jon Chiles behind McCoy and he's probably better. All this is just one example to prove the point of the quote you included in your last post.

Just from my own experience in baseball, I was very happy I went to a smaller school (in my case, much smalller... D3) and got to not only play, but start all four years of college. Also got an excellent education. I had a couple of offers to walk-on at big baseball schools, and also invites to some lesser D1 schools...but even those offered no chance to come in and play until probably my JR/SR year. No thanks. I wasn't going to waste 2 of my best years physically sitting on the pine somewhere...and from an educational standpoint a couple of those schools couldn't hold a candle to where I went. The crazy thing is, we had plenty of scouts at our games. We had a couple of guys on our team get drafted, which gets back to the point of "if you're good enough, they'll find you no matter where you go to school, or who you play for."

Maybe Briles can do it at Baylor. He can't get any worse, and that will go for whoever takes the SMU job, too. But I also look at it and say it could very well wind up being a big waste of time in his professional career as a coach (except for the $$, of course). I think another couple of years at Houston, and they'd have a shot at being a top 15 team and THEN he could have landed a much better job than Baylor.

TP Derrick D
11-29-2007, 05:22 PM
Derrick,

I agree w/ regards to the SEC. I'd put the Big 12 second behind them... Big 10 (which has 11 teams, LOL) is sad this year, which is why I do not want to see Ohio State playing in the title game.

Anyway, the quote you reference has a ton of merit. Instead of going to a bigger "perennial power" type school to see if you might get to play your JR/SR year, go to a school that has yet to make a name for itself and try and build a legacy to leave behind, play 4 years, and if you're lucky/good enough, you'll play in the NFL regardless of where you went to college.

Texas lost their young QB from Stephenville when Colt McCoy beat him out (can't remember his name right now... oh yeah, Jevan Snead). Fact is, Texas could probably use him right now... McCoy was a one-year wonder as a freshman. But they're not hurting... they have Jon Chiles behind McCoy and he's probably better. All this is just one example to prove the point of the quote you included in your last post.

Just from my own experience in baseball, I was very happy I went to a smaller school (in my case, much smalller... D3) and got to not only play, but start all four years of college. Also got an excellent education. I had a couple of offers to walk-on at big baseball schools, and also invites to some lesser D1 schools...but even those offered no chance to come in and play until probably my JR/SR year. No thanks. I wasn't going to waste 2 of my best years physically sitting on the pine somewhere...and from an educational standpoint a couple of those schools couldn't hold a candle to where I went. The crazy thing is, we had plenty of scouts at our games. We had a couple of guys on our team get drafted, which gets back to the point of "if you're good enough, they'll find you no matter where you go to school, or who you play for."

Maybe Briles can do it at Baylor. He can't get any worse, and that will go for whoever takes the SMU job, too. But I also look at it and say it could very well wind up being a big waste of time in his professional career as a coach (except for the $$, of course). I think another couple of years at Houston, and they'd have a shot at being a top 15 team and THEN he could have landed a much better job than Baylor.



I knew I had heard Jevan Snead name mentioned when they introduced Houston Nutt as Ole Miss coach, I forgot he transfered from Texas. John Chiles went to Mansfield Summitt, almost in my front door,never went to any games tho since I had no kid there at the time. Neighbors said he was really good tho.I just hope they don't expect him to be Vince Young.
Once again we're pretty much on the same page however I'd rank the big 12 lower than 2nd. maybe,and that's a big maybe tied for 3rd behind Pac 10 as #2. Reason- I know USC has dominated that conference for past 6-7 years but I also look at the other teams behind them...Cal, Oregon,Arizona State as the top teams then UCLA,Arizona & Oregon as middle of the roaders then Washington,Washington State & Stanford as the bottom feeders. I think the Big East & a couple ACC teams could play with the Big 12, outside Texas,OU & then Mizzou & KU this year for first time in what 40 years the rest of the conference are weak bottom feeders with Baylor on the bottom of the bottom. Those bottom teams haven't sniffed the top 25 in years .I looking at the strenght of the whole conference in regards to win-losses & top 25. But yeah I agree the Big 10+1 is really only Ohio State, then Michigan(not this year),Wisconsin,& Penn State(though not strong as JoePa teams when he was younger)Michigan State,Purdue,Indiana & the rest of them NEVER register on the Top 25 scale. The college championship game may not have an SEC team this year because of them beating each other up, but I would put my money on any 2 loss SEC team versus any other team in the championship game. Hey man, I gotta get off here and may not be back on for a couple weeks(not sure) because I got to put on my attorney face and prepare for my VA appeal for my military disability I incurred while in the service. Got to go thur my military medical records & civilian records to find things to make my case, disabilities that they say don't exist...like vets with problem stemming from Desert Storm Syndrome...."goverment cover up"... but thats another story.