Keys to Big 12 success.

[Sonicblue03]

1)Schedule the weakest teams you can find. (Hawaii)
2)Do away with the Big 12 Championship. (Big Ten)
3)promote yourself as though you are the greatest thing since sliced bread. (Kansas)


This should be enough for a Title shot next year.:hammer:

[dboat]

1)Schedule the weakest teams you can find. (Hawaii)
2)Do away with the Big 12 Championship. (Big Ten)
3)promote yourself as though you are the greatest thing since sliced bread. (Kansas)


This should be enough for a Title shot next year.:hammer:

At least it was better than last years game...

Dana

[Sonicblue03]

It was a big improvement from last year although IMO the best two teams didn't even play.

[BC Lightning]

last nights game was horrible, the 2 best teams were not playing last night

They need to have playoffs, or at the very least a +1 game

LSU lost to Arkansas, who got smashed by Mizzou, and OSU doesn't play in a confrence championship game, which if Mizzou hadn't played in the big 12 championship they would have been in the national title game, I thought OU deserved to be there until their loss

The bcs rankings are a joke, and I read this morning in salt lakes paper that the new York times is putting USC at #1 for the 08-09 season

[Sonicblue03]

To the media the SEC and PAC-10 are gods of football. It won't surprise me if USC come out #1 next season. It would have been a better game if OU wasn't missing 5 big time starters but WV is still better than LSU or OSU. LSU/OSU are not even in my top 5 teams.

[dboat]

To the media the SEC and PAC-10 are gods of football. It won't surprise me if USC come out #1 next season. It would have been a better game if OU wasn't missing 5 big time starters but WV is still better than LSU or OSU. LSU/OSU are not even in my top 5 teams.

Oregon...

[Sonicblue03]

Oregon might have been the best team in the nation this year had Dennis Dixon not got hurt. Without him they were horrible.

[FRDRCING]

last nights game was horrible, the 2 best teams were not playing last night

They need to have playoffs, or at the very least a +1 game

LSU lost to Arkansas, who got smashed by Mizzou, and OSU doesn't play in a confrence championship game, which if Mizzou hadn't played in the big 12 championship they would have been in the national title game, I thought OU deserved to be there until their loss

The bcs rankings are a joke, and I read this morning in salt lakes paper that the new York times is putting USC at #1 for the 08-09 season

So who should of played lastnight for the Championship?

[PUMP]

Oregon might have been the best team in the nation this year had Dennis Dixon not got hurt. Without him they were horrible.
As Don Meridith used to say, If wishes and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.:D

[Sonicblue03]

As Don Meridith used to say, If wishes and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.:D

I think it's "ifs"...not wishes.:cool:

[Sonicblue03]

So who should of played lastnight for the Championship?

Well IMHO USC, Georgia, WV, Missouri, Kansas ect.ect. All better teams than LSU and OSU by the end of the season. That's who should win the National Championship, the best team by the end of the season (just like 99.9% of the other sports). We already know that conference's can be weak from season to season. So they are basically punishing people for playing through a tough schedule. The real problem is the main bowls don't want a real playoff. Example (rose bowl/orange bowl/fiesta bowl). They would lose big money and prestigious tradition.

[WA 2 FST]

This year was an anomoly. This isn't the way it is 9 out of 10 times. Who is arguing about the last 5-6 BCS champions?

In my mind, if you're not playing for the big one, who cares? Hawaii getting into a BCS bowl... that's ok. They proved they shouldn't be there. Next year the WAC won't have anyone ending the season in the Top 15. They weren't playing for the championship, so to me it didn't matter what bowl they were in.

Kansas and Missouri should not have been above Oklahoma. Missouri had two shots at OU. Mizzou bounced KU rather easily. OU faltered in their bowl game, but shoot all these teams have 5 weeks in b/w their last game and the bowl game. I think that's one reason some of the games are just not very good. But overall, OU is better than both those teams. I'm not sure how it could be argued any other way.

Georgia was probably better than LSU at the end of the season, but they didn't even win their division in the SEC and thus didn't play for a conference championship. While I feel bad for them, knowing they really played well at the end, if you cannot win your conference, how can you possibly be considered for the national championship?

Ohio State (or anyone from the Big 10 this year) had no business being in the top 5. They _might_ have finished 3rd in the Big 12 south, and worse in either of the SEC divisions. However, they were the best 1-loss team (could argue Kansas, but KU finished 3rd in their own conference)...in a year when there just weren't many 1-loss teams at all. Again, this was a crazy year by everyone's admittance. What people are forgetting is that a large number of teams had a shot to get to the championship if they'd taken care of business, and beaten teams they should have beaten. When you lose 2-3 games, you have a hard time complaining, IMHO.

The system isn't great by any stretch of the imagination, but if they're going to go to a "plus 1" or whatever, then they need to start the bowl season earlier. I realize there are final exams to consider (and that's a fair consideration), but my main complaint is having 30-40 days off b/w games. There is no way all these teams can be at the top of their game with that kind of layoff.

And if they ever do a playoff system, then they should get rid of conference championship games. This would even the field for everyone, and get rid of, what would be, a useless game.

My opinion is that there is far too much $$$ (TV revenue over the holidays alone is so huge) for D1 football to change.

[Sixpipes]

OU's pre-conference schedule....

Sep 1 North Texas (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/nnp) W 79-10 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap?gid=200709010024)
Sep 8 Miami (FL) (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/mmi) W 51-13 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap?gid=200709080024)
Sep 15 Utah State (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/uud) W 54-3 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap?gid=200709150024)
Sep 21 at Tulsa (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/ttt) W 62-21 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap?gid=200709210107)

Looks like OU is already doing 1 & 3. :evil
OU's defense is the only thing that prevented them from winning the national championship. Sucked all year and WV exposed them for who they really were. I have a real problem with the national champs having two losses, but that's what you get when you have end-of-the-year conference championship games. Give me a 4-team tournament at the end of the year. Weird, but that is the way the state championship tournament was decided when I played high school ball back in Alabama.

[Sonicblue03]

OU's pre-conference schedule....

Sep 1 North Texas (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/nnp) W 79-10 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap?gid=200709010024)
Sep 8 Miami (FL) (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/mmi) W 51-13 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap?gid=200709080024)
Sep 15 Utah State (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/uud) W 54-3 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap?gid=200709150024)
Sep 21 at Tulsa (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/ttt) W 62-21 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap?gid=200709210107)

Looks like OU is already doing 1 & 3. :evil

OU Hater:throw::D

They did play MO twice. Texas, and Texas Tech. All really good teams. Also, you don't schedule Miami and think they are going to suck like they did. Big 12 had one of the strongest conferences this year.

[WA 2 FST]

If you play in a good conference, you're foolish for playing high-end non-conference opponents. OU's schedule was weak this year... but we all know that those games are typically scheduled years in advance. Miami won a national championship 5-6 years ago, so when that game was scheduled, I'm sure it was penciled in as a very tough game. The others were easy wins, but the Big 12 south finished with 3 teams in the Top 25. OU didn't play an "easy" schedule compared to _anyone_ in the Big 10 or Pac 10.

<--- this coming from a Longhorn fan

[Sonicblue03]

If you play in a good conference, you're foolish for playing high-end non-conference opponents. OU's schedule was weak this year... but we all know that those games are typically scheduled years in advance. Miami won a national championship 5-6 years ago, so when that game was scheduled, I'm sure it was penciled in as a very tough game. The others were easy wins, but the Big 12 south finished with 3 teams in the Top 25. OU didn't play an "easy" schedule compared to _anyone_ in the Big 10 or Pac 10.

<--- this coming from a Longhorn fan


:bows

[Sixpipes]

OU Hater:throw::D

Sorry, but I can't help myself. Especially since OU started out the season with a 79-10 drubbing of my alma mater (great payday for the Mean Green though). But I do derive a great deal of pleasure from harrassing some of the guys at the cement plant in Ada when OU messes up. They always come back with, "Yeah, but at least they beat Texas"...:icon_mrgreen:

[Sonicblue03]

Yeah I think sometimes the OU/Texas game is worth more than most bowl games. Nothing better than some good football rivalry!

:0fftopic Speaking of the cement plant here do you ever come this way?

[Sixpipes]

Yeah I think sometimes the OU/Texas game is worth more than most bowl games. Nothing better than some good football rivalry!

:0fftopic Speaking of the cement plant here do you ever come this way?

I'm usually in Ada every week. Have a meeting at the plant in the morning. :cool:

[Sonicblue03]

I'm usually in Ada every week. Have a meeting at the plant in the morning. :cool:

I have only met two Talon guys so far. If you're not too busy next time you come we can meet up and I'll buy you some lunch. I assume you don't ever bring the L this way do you?