Checking in

[Tshock]

Hello everyone. My names Tyler I just got a black 93 today and i must say it is a big improvement over my mustang i am not a car person!

Plans: different wheels, replace the interior, paint all of the old parts on it, dynamat the inside, & drive it!

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[dboat]

Welcome, nice looking ride..

reasonable mods, but the interior pic looks pretty good. What are you replacing on the interior?

Dana

[L8 APEX]

Dana is waiting to reset his clocks, I like the way you think:icon_eek:

[dboat]

Dana is waiting to reset his clocks, I like the way you think:icon_eek:

:beer:Terry, go back to bed and get some sleep.. but keep that glock nearby. I got Kim her bedside gun, a Taurus Judge. Yes its a .45 Colt revolver but its also shoots .410 shotgun shells from the same chambers, so using 4 shot loads, its like shooting 4 9mm shells at whatever she points it at..

Dana

[charlie]

You 2 trying to scare the noob all ready?


Welcome to Talon.
Very nice ride.:tu:

Charlie

[L8 APEX]

You should have a shotgun with a fore grip light in the house it is like shooting someone with 9-15 9mm's at once. A shotgun pistol that is silly:) 410's are for snakes and rodents. Shotguns and rifles generally need 21 inches of barrel to burn all the powder and reach their best velocity. Have you shot it yet at night? I bet it is a night blinding fire ball. No Glocks over here except for the Airsoft. I lost the Talon site after time change....:tex

[dboat]

You should have a shotgun with a fore grip light in the house it is like shooting someone with 9-15 9mm's at once. A shotgun pistol that is silly:) 410's are for snakes and rodents. Shotguns and rifles generally need 21 inches of barrel to burn all the powder and reach their best velocity. Have you shot it yet at night? I bet it is a night blinding fire ball. No Glocks over here except for the Airsoft. I lost the Talon site after time change....:tex

Dang, well we are also figuring that between the noise and the fire ball, that the BG will hightail out of the house.. I will have my 9mm Ruger revolver and my .380 Kel Tec P3AT with laser on my side.. the KT will be with me always, well at least where I can legally carry it. I have Taurus .38 Ultralight 5 shot revolver coming in too, to keep in the truck.. Kim wants a Kel Tec as her CCW as well.. I understand on the shotgun, but the revolver will be as close at it gets..

Dana

[Chris94L]

Whats up, I am in Rowlett as well and have a white 94.

And I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident :crying:

[Ohmsby]

S&W 500 go big or stay at home :threadhijack


oh yeah welcome to the club noob:D

[slick-svt]

Leave it with the stock look and dump it all in motor......looks nice....welcome....:D

[99WhiteBeast]

Welcome to the club- nice clean truck:tu:

[my2002lightning]

Welcome to TALON. Sharp looking Gen. I - even though it's black.:tu:

DE .44 Magnum is where it's at!:bows

[Tshock]

i recently carfaxed it AFTER i bought it. come to find out this truck has over 275k miles on it. the guy i bought it from must have swapped dashes:icon_evil:

my car i traded was valued at $5000. and i gave hime $1000 cash with it....

so i think this truck is only worth about $4000 with its mileage.

i just lost $2000 he wont answer the phone or email me back. he lives 7 hours away. i am kind of stuck with it. But for that many miles this truck is in great shape and still has alot of power. the trans feels like it has a shift kit.

thanks for the welcoming. I may be a noob here, but i am NOT a newb to forums lol


thanks, tyler

[slick-svt]

I paid 8000 for my 94 and it had 123,000mi on it I kinda felt the way you do. It might have had a new engine put in it? Of course that sorry bastard won't talk to you, he probably rolled it back.....:flaming: If it runs keep driven it motor craps out slap a 408 in it.

[projlightning]

welcome!!!!!!!:tu:

Looks very nice....any engine pics?

[Tshock]

Hopefully i can just get my $1000 back and put it towards the truck. that would still be paying $5000 for a 275k lightning.

If i do keep it, i think i am going to get it dynoed this friday for a baseline. idk what has been done to the motor. everything appears stock.

[Chris94L]

I can no longer find the ad, how many miles did he say it had? Is the carfax consistent with the milage up to 275 or is there a large jump in miles? It has new paint, and if everything seems mechanically fine, I see no reason not to keep it.

What kind of Mustang did you trade for it?

[slick-svt]

Hopefully i can just get my $1000 back and put it towards the truck. that would still be paying $5000 for a 275k lightning.

If i do keep it, i think i am going to get it dynoed this friday for a baseline. idk what has been done to the motor. everything appears stock.
I had the wifes gen 1 dynoed and it made 210hp and 285tq all I had done was put in a K&N.

[Chris94L]

mine did 224/306 with only a drop in k&n and flowmasters in stock catback.

[Tshock]

I traded a very nice 89 lx 5.0. supercharged. all cobra discs. built rearend. alot of modifications.5 lug conv. big fuel system. original paint in great shape. + $1000 cash


I do want to keep this truck. but i still want that cash back i had alot of money in that car.

[Chris94L]

Dang sounds like a car I would have considered. I am wanting another Mustang. Also sounds like a car worth more than 5k.

[TXLIGHTNING]

Dang sounds like a car I would have considered. I am wanting another Mustang. Also sounds like a car worth more than 5k. +1

[G'Lightning]

Nice looking truck:tu:...If you want to sell it i would love a Gen1. I could put it in my garage with my Gen2 and do a study to which one gathers more dust:D. -Gary

[Tshock]

no i like the truck. and i only invested $6k total in the stang. its street value was around $5200.

the previous owner said he didnt even know about the mileage. :rolleyes:

idk. he doesnt want to give back the cash. so it looks like im sitting on a $7k lightning with almost 300k miles.


Life lessons FTL

[slick-svt]

Whatever breaks make it faster......:evil:evil

[99WhiteBeast]

the previous owner said he didnt even know about the mileage. :rolleyes:

idk. he doesnt want to give back the cash. so it looks like im sitting on a $7k lightning with almost 300k miles.

Life lessons FTL

I would agree 7K for 300k G1 is a bit much. It looks clean and maybe he went through it and refurbished it all. Does it drive like a 300K vehicle (squeaks, rattles, and shakes) or is it solid?

You have have a classic limited edition vehicle and he has a dime a dozen fox body.

Karma will catch up to him

[Chris94L]

It looks clean

It has a fresh paint job on it. I can't remember anything else though, the ad for it I saw was on dfwstangs and is no longer there.

[Tshock]

the striker on the passenger door is rattles.
the frame on the slide window that holds the latch came unglued. there is a crack in the windshield. the transmission shifts rediculously hard. when you put it in gear you have to hold the brake for abotu 4 seconds it takes forever to kick into gear. sounds like hte exhaust is rattling. i am going to have my mechanic check it all out this week and make sure everything is safe on it. the ball joints and all suspension parts need to be gone through. ever bearing and seal too. i probaly will restore this truck over the summer. take it apart and repaint all metal and replace all plastic and rubber.

[dboat]

the striker on the passenger door is rattles.
the frame on the slide window that holds the latch came unglued. there is a crack in the windshield. the transmission shifts rediculously hard. when you put it in gear you have to hold the brake for abotu 4 seconds it takes forever to kick into gear. sounds like hte exhaust is rattling. i am going to have my mechanic check it all out this week and make sure everything is safe on it. the ball joints and all suspension parts need to be gone through. ever bearing and seal too. i probaly will restore this truck over the summer. take it apart and repaint all metal and replace all plastic and rubber.

That'll keep you occupied for a little while.. but afterwards, it will be a really great truck, since its only a great truck now.

Dana

[Tshock]

That'll keep you occupied for a little while.. but afterwards, it will be a really great truck, since its only a great truck now.

Dana



was that a stacy david quote?

[dboat]

was that a stacy david quote?

Naaawww, its a Dana Boatman quote... :evil

[Tshock]

I just got my inspection sticker! it actually passed. i went to the most ghetto place too.

I want to take the cats off, and throw some 40 series on it.
anyone have anything bad to say about taking the cats off? besides its bad for our air?

[TXLIGHTNING]

I just got my inspection sticker! it actually passed. i went to the most ghetto place too.

I want to take the cats off, and throw some 40 series on it.
anyone have anything bad to say about taking the cats off? besides its bad for our air? If you can get it inspected without them then go for it :tu:.

[projlightning]

If you can get it inspected without them then go for it :tu:.

I've been running without them for a few yrs and other than the $80 inspection, all is good:tu:

[slick-svt]

I left all mine one and still made all the power I needed.......:tu:

[Tshock]

im going for sound quality. my stang sounded 10x better without cats.

[slick-svt]

If I change it all up I'll add 3 inch cats won't be long you'll have to have them......:bs

[Tshock]

What are the proposed threats that come with removing all of the smog/egr crap?

[projlightning]

What are the proposed threats that come with removing all of the smog/egr crap?

I got rid of the smog pump and put the smog delete pulley in it's place and everything is fine. Only complaint I have is the bad "rich" smell that sticks to your clothes. I haven't really looked into that problem. I still have the egr so I really can't comment.

Problem with getting rid of egr: http://www.nloc.net/vbforum/gen-1-lightnings/169744-help-me-make-pinging-stop.html

[Chris94L]

I'm planning on removing the thermactor system but leaving the egr.

I have a Bassani offroad midpipe I might could be talked out of.

[mustgofaster]

How's Rufus?

[Tshock]

How's Rufus?


my dog?

[Tshock]

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It was sputtering a little during the runs. Manny said it was ignition, im gonna pull the plugs and check them out today.
I just added a 3" magnaflow muffler with internal Xpipe dumped.



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[slick-svt]

How old are the plugs??? I replaced the coil on mine with an MSD don't know if it helped. I would say to check the plugs and wires, hell give it a tune-up.........:burnout:

[machstang460]

Sorry, I'll try again later

[Tshock]

It has an msd coil and cap.

Would i benefit more from a 5.0 cam or an E303?

i found both for very cheap.

[slick-svt]

Crane has a powermax cam that looks pretty good, its a hyd roller and duration is under .220 at .050. Think rpm range is 1000-5000

[mustgofaster]

The E303 will probably be too much cam for the speed density. The 5.0 cam is supposed to be pretty good. I havn't installed mine yet to give you first hand experience, but I have one in the garage waiting to go in.

[Tshock]

i want it to have a nice lopey idle

[TXLIGHTNING]

i want it to have a nice lopey idle Then go wit the B303 or E303 :tu:

[Chris94L]

I'm not sure about the b cam, but the e cam will likely not run on the speed density.

[slick-svt]

i want it to have a nice lopey idle

better get ready for a mass air conversion......:D

[TXLIGHTNING]

I'm not sure about the b cam, but the e cam will likely not run on the speed density. Here are the spec's.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/images/Part/TechNotesHeader.gifPART NUMBERENGINEROCKER
RATIOINTAKE EVENTS
(0.050')EXHAUST EVENTS
(0.050')DURATION
(SAE)LIFT
(INCHES)LOBE
CENTEROPENCLOSEOPENCLOSEINT.EXH.LOBEVALVEINT.EXH.M-6250-B303* (http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=899)
(1)(2)(3)(7)1985 and Later 302 Roller Cam1.605° BTC39° ABC49° BBC5° BTC284°284°.300 I.480 I107°117°224°224°.300 E.480 EM-6250-E303 (http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=1329)
(1)(2)(3)(7)
(8)1985 and Later 302 Roller Cam1.600° BTC40° ABC40° BBC0° BTC282°282°.311 I.498 I110°110°220°220°.311 E.498 EM-6250-F303* (http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=2029)
(1)(2)(3)(4)
(7)(9)1985 and Later 302 Roller Cam1.604° BTC42° ABC52° BBC6° BTC288°288°.320 I.512 I109°119°226°226°.320 E.512 EM-6250-X303* (http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=1330)
(1)(2)(3)(4)
(7)(10)1985 and Later 302 Roller Cam1.605° BTC39° ABC49° BBC5° BTC286°286°.339 I.542 I107°117°224°224°.339 E.542 EM-6250-Z303* (http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=2969)
(1)(2)(3)(4)
(5)(7)(11)1985 and Later 302 Roller Cam1.607° BTC41° ABC51° BBC3° ATC290°290°.345 I.552 I107°117°228°228°.345 E.552 E

[tiffo60]

are yall saying it cant run on speed density unless its tuned, or not at all? I would think it would run fine as long as its tuned and has the proper fuel system?

[mustgofaster]

Not at all ... you will have major driveability issues. I love the lopey idle too, but you will want to switch to mass air first. I'm thinking of converting to OBDII if i go the mass air route, for easy tuning.
with the speed density, your LSA needs to be at least 114*.

Though I know of no-one getting a cam with less than 114* LSA to work, you might want to get with Charlie. He has some tuning ideas we were talking about trying on my truck, concerning a cam with less than 114* LSA. I don't have the funds to try it yet, so maybe you can try if you feel adventurous...

[Tshock]

quick question with converting to mass air:

IF a MAF computer swap has to have the same trans computer. If i were to put a nice little C6 in the truck. Do C6 transmissions have electronics???

in theory, [im still new to all of this], Could i just get any MAF computer from any 93-95 truck and just not have anything hooked up to the transmission, if there was a C6 that had no electronics??


thanks in advance, yall have been very helpful

[projlightning]

Go by the NLOC...there's tons of info on that site..:tu:

[Tshock]

Search function > me


what i really am looking for is 350-400 rwhp. i want an n/a motor.
is this goal acheivable with 351ci?
just a better fuel system/supporting components?

[slick-svt]

Whatch TrucksTV this weekend their building a Gen 1 with that hp range

[Chris94L]

If you convert it to a C6 trans, there is no reason not to convert to a Mustang mass air computer.

[mustgofaster]

quick question with converting to mass air:

IF a MAF computer swap has to have the same trans computer. If i were to put a nice little C6 in the truck. Do C6 transmissions have electronics???

in theory, [im still new to all of this], Could i just get any MAF computer from any 93-95 truck and just not have anything hooked up to the transmission, if there was a C6 that had no electronics??


thanks in advance, yall have been very helpful

No electronics in the C6... What are your plans for the truck... Daily driver, street/strip, full race, other?
Keep in mind that you will lose the overdrive with the C6. With stock gears you would be winding it out pretty good on the highway. Of course if you don't plan on driving it much more than to the races, then who cares... the C6 is lighter too.

[Tshock]

this truck sits in my garage most of the time. I drive it on the weekends and when my acura is broken (as of now)

i set the dvr to record trucks tomorrow, i overslept this morning.

[mustgofaster]

this truck sits in my garage most of the time. I drive it on the weekends and when my acura is broken (as of now)

i set the dvr to record trucks tomorrow, i overslept this morning.

Trucks is on right now!

[my2002lightning]

They have a Red Gen 1 and 454 SS truck on there now.:bows


Trucks is on right now!

[mustgofaster]

You do have several options with mass air...
1.. You may be able to scrounge up one of the old ProM or Ford Motorsport mass air conversions, but you will have to do some digging, because they are no longer produced.
2.. You can do an A9L mustang ECM with a non electronic tranny, or a Bauminator tranny controller.
3.. You can covert to OBDII by stripping the ecm & parts of the wiring harness from a 97' F-250/350 with a 351.

[ZeusSVT]

They have a Red Gen 1 and 454 SS truck on there now.:bows


That was a clean Red Gen 1. :tu:

[Tshock]

i caught the last ten minutes of the episode. I have a friend who can get parts for almost any vehicle. they bring cars/trucks in and strip them down to sell parts. I would rather find a complete conversion kit. I like having overdrive

[slick-svt]

That was a clean Red Gen 1. :tu:
Funny the 454 only made 194hp the L with a 100less cubes made 225

[ZeusSVT]

Funny the 454 only made 194hp the L with a 100less cubes made 225


Yeah and the Gen 1 is SO much more appealing to the eyes too. Those chevy's just always looked so boring to me.

[slick-svt]

Yeah and the Gen 1 is SO much more appealing to the eyes too. Those chevy's just always looked so boring to me.

When he talked about the bolts on the front core mount being moved for alignment due to a wreck or something I checked mine they are also moved............:icon_eek:

[ZeusSVT]

When he talked about the bolts on the front core mount being moved for alignment due to a wreck or something I checked mine they are also moved............:icon_eek:

:eek:

[Tshock]

http://www.performancedistributors.com/forddui.htm

I think this distributor would look better under the hood, it has an internal coil. Has anyone heard anything bad about these dizzies??

i am about to replace my ignition system next week

[slick-svt]

Looks like an HEI

[mustgofaster]

Looks like an HEI

Yah, it's based on the old GM HEI...
tshock... is it vacuum advance? looks like it in the pics, though that may just be a generic pic they are using. Also...the ad says that it only has 1 wire... leads me to believe even more that it it is vacuum advance, and makes me think that it is for carbed aplications. I say this because you've got a PIP sensor in your stock dizzy. If you eliminate that with a dizzy that just has a single 12V input, you will lose your PIP input & the truck won't run.

How much hotter do you want your spark? the stock setup is actually pretty good, and until you are running a boosted or nitrous application, you really won't get any more power.
Myself, I'm running a MSD blaster coil (stock configuration) and a MSD 6A ignition box. My setup is actually overkill for my stock engine, but I didn't know that 12 years ago when I got it & now it's there so why not use it since I spent the $$$?
Personally, I like the MSD & several other setups better than the HEI, but that is just my personal preference, so take it with a grain of salt.

I know you said earlier in the thread that you were planning on keeping the trick N/A with a good cam. Do you plan on changing the heads & adding headers too? That would be your best bet to get N/A power out of your L. If that is the plan, I'd upgrade your coil, give it a tune-up with QUALITY parts.. . cap rotor wires & plugs, & be done with the ignition.. save your $$$ for the real horesepower makers... heads & cam.

On the tune-up note... NGK Iridium are probably our trucks favorite flavor, followed by Autolite/Motorcraft coppers. They will give you the most HP & best mileage. Don't bother with the platinum, they only last longer than the copper plugs... that is all. The old copper plugs actually have a hotter spark, they last 30K, the Platinums last 60K. As easy as it is to change our plugs, the platinums aren't worth it.
Also, PLEASE don't get the splitfire or any of the other forked or multi electodes.. they are a waste of money. I can elaborate more if you want.
Damn, this post is getting long... I'll give your eyes a break & go.

[Tshock]

damn, thanks.

Yes i want to put only the best functioning/looking products on my truck. I thought one wire without a coil would look really good.
But i guess i will have to look for something better. I eventually will add nitrous, after i get everything ready to handle it.
MY checklist is going like this.
First: fix all minor issues and cracked interior, dynamat interior, new carpet.
Second: Wheels and tires (something black with the lip powdercoated to match the blue in the lightning decal.
Third: FULL ignition system. I am going to go with a Pertronix Second strike box, it draws less amps than MSD and produces alot more spark. billet dizzy, new coil/ wires. Then work on computer, maybe a TwEECer R/t, i have been reading alot on them i think it is my easiest alternative to MAF.
Fourth: Suspension
Fifth: engine/trans rebuild (i want 500 at the wheels with some squeeze)

This is how i am seeing the truck coming together in the garage. one check at a time.

thank you all for helping me get a grip on the 1st gen world.!!!

-tyler

[Tshock]

Im looking to go MAF
I found a 1996 F250 with a 5.8l that a person i know is parting out.
What i am getting at is, Should i buy the Wiring harness out of it and the computer, the truck is mass air right? The trans is automatic i am assuming it is an E40D

and if it is an E40D how many cases of beer will it take for someone to come to garland/richardson to take the harness out with me?


thanks in advance,
Tyler

[Chris94L]

96 is OBD2/EEC5 so it will be a bit more involved than a normal (OBD1/EEC4) swap. I might be interested in helping out though.