Fuel Prices

[L8 APEX]

This has got to be worth a try. I am willing to. I copied this from another forum.

Dropping Gas Prices


THIS IS NOT THE 'DON'T BUY' GAS FOR ONE DAY, BUT IT WILL SHOW YOU HOW WE CAN GET GAS BACK DOWN TO $1.30 PER GALLON.

This was sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. If you are tired of the gas prices going up AND they will continue to rise this summer, take time to read this please.

Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea. This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!!

I hear we are going to hit close to $ 4.00 a gallon by next summer, and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down?

We need to take some intelligent, united action. The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.

It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read on and join with us!

By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $2.00 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $3.19 for regular unleaded in my town.

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace..not sellers.

With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action.

The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.

How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas.

But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war.

Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL.

If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers. If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!

If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all!

(If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am . so trust me on this one.

How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days !!!

I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference.

If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $2.00 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.

Keep it going!!!

[98Cobra]

Terry...I like you bud, but you need to stop drinking on weeknights. Exxon and Mobil are the same company, for starters.

Don't like the price of gas? How about buy less of it. That's the only thing you as a consumer can do to lower the price - create less demand, which increases supply, and then prices fall. But something that gets better gas mileage, or stop driving so much.

The next time you are downloading porn and it seems slow - chain bullshit email crap like this is why.

:D

[Sonicblue03]

I have a feeling that fuel efficient cars will just cause us more problems with gas price. If they sell less fuel than they will just jack the prices up even more to compensate for their losses. We need some type of government intervention/regulation.

[dboat]

We need some type of government intervention/regulation.

IMHO, this is rarely ever a good solution.

The real issue here is lack of refining capacity in this country and years of people buying large SUV's and other vehicles that get poor gas mileage. We wont see the gas guzzlers get out of the system for at least another 10 years. In regard to refining capacity, until the govt relaxes the regs, we havent seen for (I am guessing) about 20 years any new refineries and we wont see any new refineries because the new regs just dont make it worthwhile economically to build one. It is about supply and demand, but changing gas mileage on some cars by 5-10 mpg, wont do it. There is a new car coming to the States built in Germany that is a diesel and gets 130-150 mpg. If enough people quit driving the big stuff and drove these, then we would see a dramatic shift and a downward pressure on fuel prices at the pump. However, there is now no doubt in my mind that the "govt", state and federal, would step up and increase taxes on fuel to keep prices up and to try to get more income for themselves.

Just MHO..

Dana

[Sonicblue03]

I believe we have had this discussion before...:icon_smile:

I agree with the fact that refining capacity is not up to par. I also understand supply and demand but I don't think fuel efficient cars will solve the problem. When the market gets flooded with fuel efficient cars what will keep these companies from charging $6 a gallon for gas instead of $3. Eventually it will cost us the same to drive fuel efficient cars as it does now. I think the government needs to do something to help the people out instead of the oil companies.

A question for anyone reading this: If gas prices rose to $6 a gallon tomorrow what would you do?

[GoldLS1]

GAS IS BULLSHIT.

If it rose to 6 a gas I'd buy a steam engine. Hell bottled water is cheaper than 6/gal.

[BC Lightning]

A question for anyone reading this: If gas prices rose to $6 a gallon tomorrow what would you do?

I'd buy it :rolleyes:

[Ohmsby]

I would use Dana's credit card to buy all of my gas

does the word SCAM mean anything I have said it before we are getting f..d on the price of fuel plain and simple

[projlightning]

does the word SCAM mean anything I have said it before we are getting f..d on the price of fuel plain and simple

and groceries too!! I remember when milk was $1 ......now damn near $5....ridiculous


ha..ha..just bought groceries last night and I'm venting...sorry :)

[Sonicblue03]

and groceries too!! I remember when milk was $1 ......now damn near $5....ridiculous


ha..ha..just bought groceries last night and I'm venting...sorry :)


Everything is going up in price.......too bad my income isn't.:(

[Ohmsby]

is milk really that expensive?? shows how often I shop

[dboat]

I would use Dana's credit card to buy all of my gas


John for you, of course.. :rolleyes:

[Beaudee]

I have a feeling that fuel efficient cars will just cause us more problems with gas price. If they sell less fuel than they will just jack the prices up even more to compensate for their losses. We need some type of government intervention/regulation.I agree 100%.You would think if one of the presidential canadates would promise such a thing,they would be elected or assasinated 4 sure.:rll:

[slick-svt]

Its commin down stock up on MRE's, ammo and razor wire, get ready for hell when good neighbors go bad..........You'll get car jacked for the fuel in your tank........:icon_eek:

[Sandman]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp

[oldfrmtrk]

The price of gas is not regulated by supply and demand….
There is plenty to go around.
What is driving the price of gas to go up is the weakling of the dollar!!!

The lower in value the dollar goes (agents the Euro) the more dollars it will take to buy the same amount of raw crude….

It’s a simple as that, the less the dollar is worth the more dollars it will take to buy the same amount…

And get ready for all overseas (made in China) products to double or triple in price, such as big TV screens, gone will be the $550.00 lap tops…

I believe the government is devaluating the dollar, to make it feasible to bring the manufacturing jobs back home……

[Ohmsby]

are you high on crack..... the government is purposefully weakening the dollar to bring US jobs back home

[Silver_2000]

The price of gas is not regulated by supply and demand….
There is plenty to go around.
What is driving the price of gas to go up is the weakling of the dollar!!!

The lower in value the dollar goes (agents the Euro) the more dollars it will take to buy the same amount of raw crude….

It’s a simple as that, the less the dollar is worth the more dollars it will take to buy the same amount…

And get ready for all overseas (made in China) products to double or triple in price, such as big TV screens, gone will be the $550.00 lap tops…

I believe the government is devaluating the dollar, to make it feasible to bring the manufacturing jobs back home……

Wow ...

Details please...

[Sonicblue03]

I agree gas is not affected by supply and demand. This is an interesting view on the subject....:popcorn

[dboat]

This is really getting interesting.. how many of us here have degrees in economics? I would have had a minor except they didnt give minors when I graduated from the Univ of Houston.. but I am very open to these other ideas.. should prove to be educational or interesting.

Dana

[Ohmsby]

No degree in economics here but to think the us government would purposefully weaken U.S currency to regain those jobs lost to manufacturing is more than a little off base.

That being said one might surmise that the by products of a weak dollar may be a resurgence of us manufacturing in some sectors.

If we look just below the surface we understand that the yen and the yuan have not slipped against the dollar as much as the euro or the pound. China and Japan do not want the offset as it would hurt export.

The second issue is US base for manufacturing. We have little to no consumer electric,toy or textile manufacturing in the US and it would take years to come online.

Unit to labor cost in Asia are still far better than that of US based manufacturing even against a depressed dollar

The need for goods has slumped in the US due to housing starts slowing and most big manufactures tend to think more globally even if based in the US

Small manufactures may benefit as they will have some windfalls against price pressure from goods overseas:cool:

[dboat]

No degree in economics here but to think the us government would purposefully weaken U.S currency to regain those jobs lost to manufacturing is more than a little off base.

That being said one might surmise that the by products of a weak dollar may be a resurgence of us manufacturing in some sectors.

If we look just below the surface we understand that the yen and the yuan have not slipped against the dollar as much as the euro or the pound. China and Japan do not want the offset as it would hurt export.

The second issue is US base for manufacturing. We have little to no consumer electric,toy or textile manufacturing in the US and it would take years to come online.

Unit to labor cost in Asia are still far better than that of US based manufacturing even against a depressed dollar

The need for goods has slumped in the US due to housing starts slowing and most big manufactures tend to think more globally even if based in the US

Small manufactures may benefit as they will have some windfalls against price pressure from goods overseas:cool:

DUDE!!:tu:

[BC Lightning]

Fact is gas prices are rising as a result of the dollar weakening

[PUMP]

snip .....the dollar weakening
That's the problem with economists and politicians, they can't spell inflation, so they say the dollar is weaker. Glass is still half empty, no matter how you say it.:mad:

[oldfrmtrk]

More information can be had at 1110 AM radio (here at Houston) "I believe he also reaches Forth Worth and Dallas" (the Money Man) report!

He comes on at 4:00 Pm to 6:00 pm...

I’m not saying his is the gospel; however he interviews many educated individuals, on their take or the US economy as well as the price hikes on all the commodities including oil prices, so it is not just one individual opinion, but a group of intellectuals expressing their concern!!!

I’m interested in the stock market, however I don’t really know what kind of talents are required to be a wise investor, so for the past 2 years, I have been paying attention to what these scholars have to say, I figure if I invest an hour or more a day on this subject, eventually something will stick..

The price of oil and the weak dollar are a common, conversation on this radio station.

To give you some insight of things to come:

1st.) Event: The housing situation is only the beginning this will only worsen, and more folks will lose their homers. (However homes have or are a valuable assets, back up with properties worth $$, so it will not be a total loss.)

2nd.) Event: The persons that where using their credit cards to make the home payments will find themselves, with huge CC bills along with a huge interest rates, and they will conclude…. As to why pay the CC off, theirs nothing to gain, and even if they do, they will not get the home back…. So just stop or default on the cc payments… So the cc industry will find them selves in default, what is bad about that, (is that CC debt has no tangible asset, or has 0 monetary value) Billions of dollars will just evaporate!!!

3rd.) Event: With the home gone, and now the CC gone, one of the last things to go will be the new car, it will be repossessed…. That will affect the car industry, or influence the economy further!!!!

Like I said, this is a public educational broadcast every weekday (see above). Not my opinion!!!!

Well I guess I will go back to smoking the crack pipe, and stick my head in the sand, and maybe it will all go away…..

(However: I rather diversify my assets now, and prepare to what is to come, to protect my family and myself)!!! You all do what you think is right….

[dboat]

More information can be had at 1110 AM radio (here at Houston) "I believe he also reaches Forth Worth and Dallas" (the Money Man) report!

He comes on at 4:00 Pm to 6:00 pm...

I’m not saying his is the gospel; however he interviews many educated individuals, on their take or the US economy as well as the price hikes on all the commodities including oil prices, so it is not just one individual opinion, but a group of intellectuals expressing their concern!!!

I’m interested in the stock market, however I don’t really know what kind of talents are required to be a wise investor, so for the past 2 years, I have been paying attention to what these scholars have to say, I figure if I invest an hour or more a day on this subject, eventually something will stick..

The price of oil and the weak dollar are a common, conversation on this radio station.

To give you some insight of things to come:

1st.) Event: The housing situation is only the beginning this will only worsen, and more folks will lose their homers. (However homes have or are a valuable assets, back up with properties worth $$, so it will not be a total loss.)

2nd.) Event: The persons that where using their credit cards to make the home payments will find themselves, with huge CC bills along with a huge interest rates, and they will conclude…. As to why pay the CC off, theirs nothing to gain, and even if they do, they will not get the home back…. So just stop or default on the cc payments… So the cc industry will find them selves in default, what is bad about that, (is that CC debt has no tangible asset, or has 0 monetary value) Billions of dollars will just evaporate!!!

3rd.) Event: With the home gone, and now the CC gone, one of the last things to go will be the new car, it will be repossessed…. That will affect the car industry, or influence the economy further!!!!

Like I said, this is a public educational broadcast every weekday (see above). Not my opinion!!!!

Well I guess I will go back to smoking the crack pipe, and stick my head in the sand, and maybe it will all go away…..

(However: I rather diversify my assets now, and prepare to what is to come, to protect my family and myself)!!! You all do what you think is right….

These chicken little folks kill me.. they say this stuff to get people to listen to them by creating the drama.. the govt is already helping bail out a lot of folks on their mortgages..now I do have to agree that no one should have ever offered or sold no principle mortgages but some folks wanted to extend themselves and buy them anyway. If someone is using their cc to make the mortgage payment, then they have all kinds of issues already.. in regard to how much all of this means to the financial institutions, it meant 1/2 of one days profits to CitiBank, they have already taken the hit and moved on.. Yes, its a lot of money to us, but to some of the financial institutions, its just not that much. Remember, the financial guys still have a house left that they can sell, and they will, and it will be at a loss, but they will do it and move on..
this is part of a business cycle that occurs..I was in Houston when the real estate market dropped out there. Lost 30% of the value of my home in just a few months..eventually moved and sold it for what I owed on it.. only had put 5% down.. but it was still a loss, but made a nice gain on the next home.

these things happen, just hope you can stay where you are to ride them out sometimes..

IMHO
Dana

[charlie]

It’s a simple as that, the less the dollar is worth the more dollars it will take to buy the same amount…

And get ready for all overseas (made in China) products to double or triple in price, such as big TV screens, gone will be the $550.00 lap tops…

I believe the government is devaluating the dollar, to make it feasible to bring the manufacturing jobs back home……

I don't know about the government doing it. But the jobs coming back are already happening where I work. We sent several production lines to China. In less than 2 years they are coming back due to price. It seems that we can make the parts cheaper here, than they can, and ship them back here.

Charlie

[mikelemoine]

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[PUMP]

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[oldfrmtrk]

Dedicated to all those crack pipe smokers, and chicken little’s, nay sayers!!!!


Report: Weak Dollar Makes U.S. More Cost-Efficient</SPAN>By Vinnee Tong, AP Business WriterManufacturing.Net - March 27, 2008
NEW YORK (AP) -- Thanks to the weakened dollar, the U.S. has leapfrogged France, Britain and other European countries as a cheaper place to do business.

A new study released Thursday by the auditing and consulting firm KPMG shows that the U.S. moved up on the list of places around the world that are the most cost-efficient. Researchers compared 136 cities in 10 countries in North America, Europe and Asia, but did not include fast-growing China.

Mark MacDonald, the global director of KPMG Competitive Alternatives, said the survey authors found the U.S. to be more cost competitive than they'd ever seen because of the plunging dollar.

In 2006, the U.S. lagged behind four other G7 countries. This year, though, the U.S. surpassed Britain, the Netherlands, Italy and France, leaving only Canada as being more cost-effective among the major industrial nations.

''Now the cost of business is considerably higher in these countries due largely to the depreciation of the U.S. dollar,'' MacDonald said in a statement.

Mexico, which is new to the study, was cheapest overall. The study is done every two years.

Among the larger cities, the cheapest cities in which to operate were Puebla, Guadalajara and Monterrey, all in Mexico. In the U.S., the cheapest places were Atlanta, Tampa (Florida), and the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

The San Francisco Bay Area -- which includes Silicon Valley and San Jose -- was the most expensive in the U.S., edging out New York for that dubious distinction. London, Frankfurt and Manchester, England, were all more expensive than San Francisco.

Paris was slightly less expensive than New York.

The study measured competitiveness using labor costs, taxes, real estate and utilities, as well as non-monetary factors. It included Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Mexico, the Netherlands, Britain and all 50 states in the U.S. Those were all compared against a benchmark developed by taking the average cost of doing business in U.S. locations

[Ohmsby]

earth to frmtrk.

Read this report and ask yourself why china and asia manufacturing were not included.

The countries mentioned are not countries who we traditionally lose manufacturing jobs to

I concur one of the effects of the weak dollar is obviously a shift in the cost of doing business stateside

frmtrk don't let these guys piss on your back and tell you it is raining:D

[oldfrmtrk]

frmtrk to earth:

Yep; you are right, they keep telling us about the weak house market, and a weakling of the dollar, and that it will continue to go down, this is only the beginning, I think its all baloney…..

I will keep my umbrella handy…..

[projlightning]

fuel prices still haven't made that winter/summer change which will add about another .75 cents when it does go from winter to summer price:icon_frown:

[SILVER2000SVT]

I always fill my gas cans that I use for the mowers and it usually lasts me the whole mowing season. I have always done this at the end of February since it's almost always the cheapest time of the year. Last year it was $1.80/gal, This year it was $3.00/gal.

It kills me to read these reports that don't even use the correct historical data. They said last year at this time it was something like $2.40/gal to make it look like gas has only gone up $0.60/gal, but it has actually gone up $1.20/ga.

I'll admit that the media spices things up to look worse than they really are, but in some cases reality is worse than the media's interpretation.

[tiffo60]

I dont even remember when it was 1.80, i thought that was way more than a year ago:tex

[G'Lightning]

I dont even remember when it was 1.80, i thought that was way more than a year ago:tex Same here it was more like 2.20 this time last year.,

[SILVER2000SVT]

End of February 2007 87 was $1.80 and 93 could be found for under $2.10.

[Ohmsby]

the original statement was that the US government was purposefully dropping the value of the dollar abroad

I responded with reasons that simply is not so

The article or piece that you referenced today chose not to include China for a reason

Hands down our economy is in the chitter and will be for a period of time rather we like it or not these periods are cyclical

The housing market is a monster we collectively created and now we need to deal with it

[dboat]

the original statement was that the US government was purposefully dropping the value of the dollar abroad

I responded with reasons that simply is not so

The article or piece that you referenced today chose not to include China for a reason

Hands down our economy is in the chitter and will be for a period of time rather we like it or not these periods are cyclical

The housing market is a monster we collectively created and now we need to deal with it

you are correct sir.. the most interesting part is that it is all part of the business cycle.. especially housing, how many times do we have to see housing prices stagnate and then boom before we understand it? but after all is said and done, the US economy is stil the strongest in the world and it always bounces back.. and it is only slumping a bit right now, but it will correct itself and come back strong..

Dana

[projlightning]

anyone watching the House Oil Profits Hearing?
http://www.nbc5i.com/videostream/9476753/detail.html

[L8 APEX]

They grilled the top 5 last year, see where it got us...

I filled up the Lightning Sunday 3.50 gal 84 bucks just over 300 miles...