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Silver_2000
05-11-2008, 08:58 AM
http://biz.yahoo.com/brn/080502/25295.html?.v=1&.pf=family-home

Last paragraph comparing used Expedition to new Escape Hybrid


But what are the real savings?
Assuming you own the Expedition free and clear and use the trade-in value as your down payment -- and cover the sales taxes and other fees in cash -- the Escape will come with a loan for about $22,300. At current rates, financing for 60 months means a monthly payment of about $439.
So let's add up the costs for a year:
It costs about $3,500 to keep it filled with gasoline, assuming prices stay at about $3.70. If they go to $4 a gallon, the bill will be about $3,750.
In the new Escape, your annual fuel bill, assuming the same mileage and $3.70 a gallon, would be about $1,730, a savings of about $1,770 a year.
But the new Escape will cost you $5,268 in payments, not counting out-of-pocket fees and the value of the Expedition used at trade-in.
Even after factoring in the one-time federal tax credit that comes with an Escape Hybrid, swapping a serviceable gas-guzzler for a more fuel-efficient new vehicle is unlikely to provide a financial benefit for five years, when the new vehicle is paid off.
Of course, there are reasons to get a more fuel-efficient vehicle the go beyond bottom-line economics. They include concern for the environment and helping to reduce our oil imports.
And if it's simply just time for a new vehicle -- the old one is worn out, or you've budgeted to trade vehicles at this time anyway -- then by all means it would be foolish to not consider something that gets considerably better fuel mileage.
But if your prime motivator is the sticker shock at the gas pump, act with caution. While a new vehicle may help you save at the pump, it can significantly increase your overall costs.

WA 2 FST
05-11-2008, 07:26 PM
Exactly... well said (whoever wrote it). I have no car payments, and I'm not starting now b/c gas is nearly $4 for premium, and all my vehicles take that grade. I don't budget when/where I drive. It's a cost of living increase that my wife and I are just having to deal with.

For me personally, I'm just hoping there's plenty of gasoline for a long time. The price/gal will eventually find a threshold where it tapers off. It's supply and demand. And if you do the math with the scenario Doug posted, it would take gas prices being significantly higher than they are now for it to be worth it to go buy a "gas miser"... which inevitably would be a change in lifestyle, not just a cost of living change.

L8 APEX
05-12-2008, 12:08 AM
It took a huge hike this weekend. Friday gas was 3.44 and diesel 4.11.. But tonight gas is 3.58 and diesel 4.25 and that is at the truck stop. I saw 3.79 and 4.49 premium in Southlake.
It is getting ridiculous.
That analogy shows that a twenty thousand dollar vehicle is not a good decision for savings alone. But a 3-5 thousand dollar economy bucket would be for sure.

VonoreTn
05-12-2008, 07:01 AM
http://biz.yahoo.com/brn/080502/25295.html?.v=1&.pf=family-home

Last paragraph comparing used Expedition to new Escape Hybrid

Does anyone know if the Escape/Mariner Tax credit is still valid? I checked the irs.gov website but it only has a year old statement on the credit, which it said was still good. My Ford dealer (who would rather sell me anything but a hybrid) said the credit no longer applies to the Escape Mariner because they have sold more than 60,000 since they first came out in 2005, (~ 70,000 by now). I have been searching the web for more information on this issue but I have come up with nothing. Thanks for any help.