It's official I am an Idiot

[Ohmsby]

Well I bought a 500RWHP ZO6 and will be picking it up when I return from Miami.

I said I would never own another black Corvette and what did I do bought a black ZO

should be a lot of fun I will have to let Wes and Jeff school me on the track

pics to follow

[Shiner1]

Hey John that's awsome. Can't wait to see it. Always been a vette fan just never brave enough to buy one.

[Ohmsby]

Hey man forgot to respond to your text earlier How bout a Turbo......

[mikelemoine]

I wish I could be an idiot too:icon_mrgreen:, maybe someday. Been telling the wife how a Vette gets such good highway mileage to sell her on the practicality.

[Ohmsby]

Just ask for forgiveness it's easier......

[Shiner1]

Hey man forgot to respond to your text earlier How bout a Turbo......

Got one at the "world headquaters" ? I wouldn't even know where to start with a turbo. Vortec wants $1,795 (that's minus the $500. core) for a new V2. It seems that they are phasing out the V1. Didn't mean to hijack your thread....

[Ohmsby]

gRtbrzfAbAI


John I will Give you a ring tomorrow afternoon we need to get that Beast back on top.

[Shiner1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRtbrzfAbAI


John I will Give you a ring tomorrow afternoon we need to get that Beast back on top.

Roger that!! Nice, nice ride...

[Ohmsby]

thanks I will post up some pics a little later

I really got a deal IMHO after much back and forth with the owner who seems to be a nice guy despite the fact he is from Oklahoma:throw:

[my2002lightning]

Sharp looking Corvette John and enjoy your time in Miami. It's quite a town. I wouldn't mind going back for a while again.:icon_cool:

What's up with the OK plates, too? :cool:

[GoldLS1]

More info on the mods!!! 500 to the rears is a pretty stout N/A LS2 (I'm assuming it's N/A).

[Ohmsby]

it has dual vornado's

I think the actual purported HP is 493 but hey I am sure we can find a dyno to call it 5

[mikelemoine]

it has dual vornado's

I think the actual purported HP is 493 but hey I am sure we can find a dyno to call it 5

You could add those magnets to the fuel line, that should give you the extra 7 hp...:tu:

[L8 APEX]

Now you just need a storm trooper costume to wear while driving it, lol.:tu:

[WA 2 FST]

Sweet, John!!

[Chris94L]

FRC are sweet.

[99WhiteBeast]

Very nice John- congrats:beer:

I want to be an idiot some day too- maybe just buy for the wifey and it would probably be a non issue.

[gbgary]

very cool!! can't wait to see it.

[Silver_2000]

should make the next cruise more interesting

did you keep the Porch ?

[L8 APEX]

Of course silly:twitch:

[tiffo60]

so when we going to take it to the race track:icon_mrgreen:

this weekend?:burnout:

[Ohmsby]

Just lowered the Porsche so it fit in the garage better.

So yeah we have the Z0 and the porch

I look forward to seeing what it will do.

Sorry Tiff I am in Miami chasing the Taco.......:DBell we have the Franchisee convention this week and I left a little early to test the local golf courses.

[dboat]

John, congrats, but be careful about having to ask forgiveness for the car and chasing tacos at the same time.. :tu:

Dana

[GoldLS1]

Come on now John... I need a mod list!! Anything over 470 to the rears N/A is a pretty stout combo on the LSx stuff.

[Ohmsby]

John, congrats, but be careful about having to ask forgiveness for the car and chasing tacos at the same time.. :tu:

Dana

a mild attempt at humor on my part. I am pretty happy with Steph she puts up with my antics and let's me act like I am the boss at the house

[Ohmsby]

Come on now John... I need a mod list!! Anything over 470 to the rears N/A is a pretty stout combo on the LSx stuff.

I agree I will need to perform my own Dyno but he does have the slip

Built LS2 motor with stage 2 heads and kooks headers and cat back fast 90 intake etc etc. I have the full build sheet in my email I should copy it for you.

I am not nearly as versed on the LS series motors. I will be learning as I go

Previous owner drove through some standing water and shelled the original motor in late 07 and chose this for the new set up

sounds like it should be faster than Dana's Cadillac

[dboat]

a mild attempt at humor on my part. I am pretty happy with Steph she puts up with my antics and let's me act like I am the boss at the house


and you putting up with mine as well. :tu:

[Silver_2000]

Ill be amazed if you get over 120 hp with those mods

[Ohmsby]

Ill be amazed if you get over 120 hp with those mods

the Vornado's or the built ls2

[Silver_2000]

the Vornado's or the built ls2

Ive researched mods for my ls2 and find that adding a 120 HP is a BIG deal.
Headers add about the same on the vette as on the Lightning -
The heads and intake add a few more - the cat back a little more

The numbers just dont jump like on a lightning

Mine has CAI - Tune - Cat back and exhaust

It gained very FEW relative HP

[Ohmsby]

From Magazine article......

GM High-Tech Performance, a magazine dedicated to fuel-injected GM performance vehicles, put a LS2 on the dyno at Livernois Motorsports to see what they could get with a couple of traditional hot-rodding techniques - a larger cam, and ported heads. Just swapping out the stock bumpstick for Livernois' mild "Stage I" cam yielded an additional 92 peak HP, with the somewhat wilder "Stage II" part picking up 98 HP for an even 500 HP. Align yourself with a decent calibration guy and you'll pass emissions with either cam, and will have bumped power up into the LS7 region for an investment of under $1K and a few hours under the hood. Spend another $949 on Livernois' CNC ported heads, and the dyno output tops 520 HP with 467 lb-ft of peak torque.



The motor in question has rods crank and the stage 2 heads from vengeance, and the stage 2 cam along with the CAI, ported fast 90 intake, kooks long tubes exhaust and tune. Seems reasonable to me but again new world for me


PS has dual Vornado's

[dboat]

Ive researched mods for my ls2 and find that adding a 120 HP is a BIG deal.
Headers add about the same on the vette as on the Lightning -
The heads and intake add a few more - the cat back a little more

The numbers just dont jump like on a lightning

Mine has CAI - Tune - Cat back and exhaust

It gained very FEW relative HP

what about adding a blower?

[GoldLS1]

Ive researched mods for my ls2 and find that adding a 120 HP is a BIG deal.
Headers add about the same on the vette as on the Lightning -
The heads and intake add a few more - the cat back a little more

The numbers just dont jump like on a lightning

Mine has CAI - Tune - Cat back and exhaust

It gained very FEW relative HP

Hummmmm.... cam?? LSx's love the cam swap!! If its an auto a descent stall is nice. If you wanna go real fast tho boost or bottle; altho there are some fast N/A's out there just usually not real practical for driving often on the street. Just like the lightnings tuning is everything!!



From Magazine article......

GM High-Tech Performance, a magazine dedicated to fuel-injected GM performance vehicles, put a LS2 on the dyno at Livernois Motorsports to see what they could get with a couple of traditional hot-rodding techniques - a larger cam, and ported heads. Just swapping out the stock bumpstick for Livernois' mild "Stage I" cam yielded an additional 92 peak HP, with the somewhat wilder "Stage II" part picking up 98 HP for an even 500 HP. Align yourself with a decent calibration guy and you'll pass emissions with either cam, and will have bumped power up into the LS7 region for an investment of under $1K and a few hours under the hood. Spend another $949 on Livernois' CNC ported heads, and the dyno output tops 520 HP with 467 lb-ft of peak torque.



The motor in question has rods crank and the stage 2 heads from vengeance, and the stage 2 cam along with the CAI, ported fast 90 intake, kooks long tubes exhaust and tune. Seems reasonable to me but again new world for me


PS has dual Vornado's

I'm pretty sure that article was done on an engine dyno!! I remember reading that!! However few out there find these numbers as "real" world. Maybe they know something everyone else doesn't!!

Any specs on those "stages" of H/C... that cam sounded pretty nasty in the previous vid. Dual Vornado's have to be good for 50 at the tires!!

Oh forgot to say Congrats!!

[Silver_2000]

one of the reasons I put up talon was I prefer to use the experiences of other owners

these C6 owners estimate cam = 40-60 hp

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=2041527&highlight=horsepower+cam

c5 owner gained 60 with LG cam and tune

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1053010&highlight=cam+horsepower

[WA 2 FST]

It isn't hard to get 450-460rwhp out of a N/A LS1-LS2. Heads, cam, long-tubes with off-road pipes. Granted... its a _big_ cam to do that, and you're spinning the engine to 6800+rpm. A more streetable setup will still yield 430-440rwhp N/A, though, which is impressive.

But nothing beats a forced induction motor for bang-for-the-buck mods, which is why the L and Cobras are so easy to make go fast.

But 460rwhp out of a 3125lb car is gonna fly. :)

[Ohmsby]

I ralized it was an engine dyno.I plan on putting it on the dyno when I get it to home always like to have my own numbers.

I will report on the findings

Tiff whats the number for the dyno you use it always gives favorable results.........:D

[L8 APEX]

We built a dozen C5's and LS1 5.7L powered F bodies. MOST of the head/cam exhaust and intake cars dyno'd 430-460. The silver Z did 450 with Lingenfelter stage 3 LS6 heads and stage 2 cam 224/230 on a 112. My black FRC made a strong 440rwhp with Wheel to Wheel CNC heads and 224/224 581 lift on a 112. We ran a LB G5x2 or 3 cam in Darren's yellow zo6 it made 460 on Thunder racing stage 2 heads. The G5 cam was real close to piston tapping we fly cut the Diamond pistons for clearance it was .609 lift and about 232 duration on 110 or so. Then we sprayed it with two stages of NOS and one stage of propane and yielded 765hp and 813lb ft to the wheels on stock displacement.:evil
Of course the 6 liters and 6.2's are going to make another 20-30hp with the extra displ. Also the newer intakes are flowing like MAD. They didn't have FAST intakes back in my day... There is one better than the FAST now though, it is from Australia.

[tiffo60]

I ralized it was an engine dyno.I plan on putting it on the dyno when I get it to home always like to have my own numbers.

I will report on the findings

Tiff whats the number for the dyno you use it always gives favorable results.........:D

just let me know when and I will set it up:tu:

[02BOLT]

John, Grats on the the Vette! The car looks and sounds mean as hell!:icon_twisted: Gotta love the muredered out look. I too would love to join the ranks of "idiots" on this board.:cool:

I just thought I'd give you a blow by blow account of the gains we saw on Jeffro's car('05 6MT C6), nitrous not withstanding. I know most of you are familiar with the car. He bought the car in bone stock trim with about 22K-23K on the clock. The original owner must have taken pretty good care of her, because the car was very clean, and has run like a frickin' top from day one.

Anyway, in bone stock trim, it made right at 347-ish RWHP. He then added a Lingenfelter CAI, Dynatech 1 3/4" Long Tubes and U/D pulley(w/ stock mufflers). Power jumped to 377-380 RWHP(so figure 30). He then added a Corsa cat-back, but did not do a follow up dyno(due to cat-back gains being somewhat marginal).

Next came the Lingenfelter(21st Century) cam/valve springs, and U/D pulley. Don't quote me on this, but I believe the cam specs are around 224*int-232*exh duration @ .050, lift is around .580, w/ a 112* LSA. Car made 430 RWHP(so right at 50 HP increase(80 total).

He then added 3.90's, which aided in acceleration, but generally cause dyno numbers to read a smidge lower. He also added a ported intake(mouth)/throttle body somewhere in the mix, which I believe were good for 5-8 HP/10 TQ.

Lastly were the Quality Motorsports ported cylinder heads(unsure if they're CNC or hand ported), and a RAM dual disc clutch. The addition of the cylinder heads resulted in 465-ish RWHP(w/93 octane tune). So all in all, he picked up right at 115-120 RWHP. The car went from trapping 114 mph(stock) to 124+ mph(H+C), and picked up over a second in ET on street tires/DR's. On an actual drag tire, the car is good for very low 11's, maybe even high 10's(in good air) on the motor, assuming the rear end will stay in the car upon launch.

Anyway, just thought I'd confirm Terry's findings, in a step by step manner. Good luck with that bad boy John! That car should haul some serious ba!!z.:tu:

[FRDRCING]

Nice new toy John:tu:

[Ohmsby]

Well I picked it up today and this is a quick car and should be a lot of fun.

Although clean I quickly realized I have OCD when it comes to cleaning the toys so I am sure this weekend will see an old school detail. I gave it a stage one clean this eve.

Seat Dyno says all reported horsepower are accounted for but we will let the mechanical Dyno do the talking

Who is the top LS tuner in Dallas? I think the current tune is a 91 octane tune and just would like the piece of mind that the tune is solid

[GoldLS1]

Well I picked it up today and this is a quick car and should be a lot of fun.

Although clean I quickly realized I have OCD when it comes to cleaning the toys so I am sure this weekend will see an old school detail. I gave it a stage one clean this eve.

Seat Dyno says all reported horsepower are accounted for but we will let the mechanical Dyno do the talking

Who is the top LS tuner in Dallas? I think the current tune is a 91 octane tune and just would like the piece of mind that the tune is solid

Glad you like it John!! Maybe it is a killer!! 500+ all motor w/ good street manors is badass!! I say you did a good job picking it out!!

RPM in Lewisville, SQR in Benbrook, or the almighty LG Motorsports (where money buys speeds - thats there slogan!!) in Wylie is what most will say for the metroplex shops. There are a few guys that do it as a side job Sam something, Sean Frease (sp?), Patrick G, or Chris something (used to be w/ AMS racing). Sorry I don't know the last names!! However I can get you in touch with them if wish!! Personally I'd stick with RPM in Lewisville. Brian runs a great shop, very knowledgeable, and customer service is second to NONE!!

I know you said DFW however if you want to venture outside DFW towards the south... GForce, LME, or LMR are excellent choices however are slighty higher $$$ wise, but they have wicked builds that will make you want to do something crazy with your own car!! They have turned out some nasty boosted cars - turbo, twins, F1, F1R, F3R, solids rollers, you name it they've prob done it on a LSx motor. Theres also HPE down that way, not a real popular shop (customer wise). You also have TSP right outside Lubbock (sp?) that can also tune.

Hope this helps!! :tu:

[Ohmsby]

Lot of traffic about 21st century. Any one use this shop? RPM has dynoed a couple of my rides in the past. To bad RPM outlet comes to my mind when I hear that name

Car will be on the track in the next few weeks to see what kind of balls she has

[Silver_2000]

I was recommended to 21st by my dealer - by the way - you will want to use that service writer if you have need to go to dealer - he has owned 30 vettes

The shop is nice but its a couple kids doing the tuning - I had an unknown tune so a dyno tune from a shop that the dealer liked was good for me

Call me if you want more detail

[Shiner1]

Well I picked it up today and this is a quick car and should be a lot of fun.

Although clean I quickly realized I have OCD when it comes to cleaning the toys so I am sure this weekend will see an old school detail. I gave it a stage one clean this eve.

Seat Dyno says all reported horsepower are accounted for but we will let the mechanical Dyno do the talking

Who is the top LS tuner in Dallas? I think the current tune is a 91 octane tune and just would like the piece of mind that the tune is solid

That's good news John. Hope you have fun with her.

[Alpine]

I started with 21st and will not return. Patrick and Luke at Quality Motorsports in Lewisville are the only guys that touch my car. Go down and look at there shop. You wil be impressed. They had 12 C6 Z06's at there shop on Friday waiting to get work done.

[GoldLS1]

21st slipped my mind.... because its mainly a vette shop. It's a little high $$$ wise, has mixed results from what I've seen on the Fbody boards.

Doug do you know who does the tuning at 21st??

Didn't know Quality was still in business...

[WA 2 FST]

I will recommend four. 21CMC did my LPE Twin-Turbo install, and they change the oil in it now b/c the thing is/was still under LPE warranty. I like John Page a lot. I have not met any of the current tuners/installers personally, but I did have an issue with the car just last week... and I took it to them, figuring it was a turbo-related issue. Turned out to be a blown fuse to the ECM (surprised the car even ran), which is a fluke deal. They diagnosed the issue quickly, and had me back up and running in no time.

The other two I would trust are Patrick (who has been mentioned) and Andy Mages (ADM in Lewisville). I believe Andy primarily does TBSS stuff now, but he is very knowledgeable about the LSx powertrains and Vettes, in general.

Keith (Brian's dad) at RPM is a great guy who I've known for a decade. Very down to earth and honest.

[Silver_2000]

I started with 21st and will not return. Patrick and Luke at Quality Motorsports in Lewisville are the only guys that touch my car. Go down and look at there shop. You wil be impressed. They had 12 C6 Z06's at there shop on Friday waiting to get work done.

I Met the QM folks and was impressed until I tried to give them some business and then they were just like every other place. Maybe because I dont drive a Z06 but, I wanted an air filter kit - they only stocked them for Z06 - asked them when they would have them, they said in 3 days. They kept saying " in 3 days" for 3 weeks and I finally gave up.

Plus since Im under warranty I used the place the Chevy service writer recommended

[Ohmsby]

Thanks for the recomendations

[Silver_2000]

sucks to because QM is literally 5 min from my house - Ill likley give them another shot but its pretty clear they are Z06 bigots

[L8 APEX]

Quality was replacing header gaskets on a GT500 last week. Despite their parts ordering system they seem to do a good job for customers. John Page owned a stereo shop before marrying Lingenfelter's daughter thusly becoming a tuner overnight...:icon_eek: Without the LPE name they would have disappeared long ago.

[BC Lightning]

I started with 21st and will not return. Patrick and Luke at Quality Motorsports in Lewisville are the only guys that touch my car. Go down and look at there shop. You wil be impressed. They had 12 C6 Z06's at there shop on Friday waiting to get work done.

Quality Motorsports FTW!!!!

They're building a 402 for my buddies C5 Z06

[Ohmsby]

ZO6 snobs rule.......... I called QM and really just looking to get a tune that I know. The car is pig rich at idle but may need the fuel up top. A good tune should compensate both

This car is quick from a seat dyno perspective:D

[L8 APEX]

That is just cause you are dragging your ass! When you lower a Vette you instantly gain 20hp:D

[Mark #2]

Followed a brand new Z06 paper plate car up 75 today. Cool looking car.

He was driving like a fool to catch up to a SL 550 that never raced him and that is a very cool looking car.

Thought about it, but the detector went off and it was correct. Plano cops are sitting on 75 now.

I forgot how good these trucks run when it is cool, and how much gas you can burn in just a 12 mile sprint.:eek2:

[WA 2 FST]

Quality was replacing header gaskets on a GT500 last week. Despite their parts ordering system they seem to do a good job for customers. John Page owned a stereo shop before marrying Lingenfelter's daughter thusly becoming a tuner overnight...:icon_eek: Without the LPE name they would have disappeared long ago.

As far as I know, John doesn't do the tuning. His customer service is good. Without the LPE name, they wouldn't have opened the shop in the first place, but that's not an indictment against John.

All the techs are LPE trained and certified, and they turn out a lot of well-running vehicles, mine included.

Patrick at QM used to work there, and I like him a lot. I've yet to get over to his place. I honestly wish someone would open up a shop in Plano or on the NE corridor somewhere. I don't know why Lewisville is such a hot-bed, except that I guess I-35 has more traffic than 75.

[L8 APEX]

Keith Craft was on 75 and burned down in short order.

[WA 2 FST]

If by "burned down" you mean they are out of business... they now have a shop in the industrial district of east Plano.

[L8 APEX]

I didn't know they were still in town I saw their old lease space was empty. I heard a ton of complaints about the guys they had running it. They were pretty dickish when I was up there.

[dboat]

ZO6 snobs rule
This car is quick from a seat dyno perspective:D

So is the CTS.. the butt dyno is never reliable. :cool:

[L8 APEX]

The CTS has a heated butt dyno:D

[dboat]

The CTS has a heated butt dyno:D


true dat.. :tu:

[Ohmsby]

Alright the dyno results are back form a local dyno 484 RWHP and 435 torque on pump gas and a safe reasonable tune.

Quality motor sports did the tuning I will post up the sheet a little later

[WA 2 FST]

That's excellent, John. That puts you out in front of a stock C6 Z06, I believe!

Impressive.

[GoldLS1]

Wow... sounds like a screamer!!

[Ohmsby]

Need to get some stickier tires the toyo are nice but blow off at throttle

Probably could get a clean five with an intake and a little race gas....... the mod bug never stops:evil

[GoldLS1]

My M/T DRs are plenty sticky for me... You want to put a DR on it or stay with a street radial??

[WA 2 FST]

The best sticky tire that doesn't compromise handling at all is the Nitto 555RII.

I run 555R's in the rear (305/35-18... will fit a stock Z06 rear wheel) which is a little compromise in handling, but nothing like the BFG DRs which are downright dangerous in just about any hard cornering you want to do. I had BFG DRs on my Z06 (when I was running nitrous) and made sure they were burned up after 900 miles. They hooked great in a straight line, but otherwise were horrible. I would never use them again for anything except drag race duty. Above 80^F, the 555R's hook fine in 2nd gear for me with 600rwhp on tap.

[Ohmsby]

Thanks for chiming in I knew you were the big HP and would have some insight. I think the DRII is what I am leaning toward a little best of both world

Not a DD so tire life not that important

[GoldLS1]

Don't forget to buy a set of wheels/slicks!! You know you'll go to the track and nittos don't cut it outa the hole!! I forget... does it have a built IRS??

[Ohmsby]

Supposedly rolling on a built IRS and a set of track tires will be needed should be interesting to see me shift the first few times down the 1/4

[WA 2 FST]

That's why I have never, and won't ever, run slicks.

I would still have my mid-10 second 5.0 Mustang if I drag-raced as much as I used to. The Vette is too much fun to _drive_ and drive hard to just be a drag car.

That doesn't mean it can't run great 1/4 mile times, but slicks and a 5k rpm clutch drop even with a built rear-end may end up in a trailer ride home.

Interestingly enough with my personal driving style, I cut a 2.0 60' with stock tires at 360rwhp, and primarily 2.0x with a 1.9 mixed in with 600rwhp. I just can't bring myself to hammer it too hard out of the hole.
Made for some crappy ETs, but I was pleased with 11.2 @ 138. The guy in the booth told me to get some slicks and run a 9.8. :icon_razz:

Glad to hear you're enjoying the car, John. They are a lot of fun. Keep us informed as to what you do about paint. I love my Electron Blue, but since I'm not getting rid of this car anytime soon, I've also thought about some custom paint schemes.

[Ohmsby]

Ended up with the DRII's today 315/35/18 on the rear and the 295/45/17 in the front and really noticed the difference in traction after a few miles and spirited starts to get the silicone off

The car was squirrely with the toyos and I think these will give me a much surer footing

Thanks for the recommendation Wes. Nitto has a new tire due in march I saw at SEMA but really did not want to wait