We all knew TO would eventually be a cancer

[WA 2 FST]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3763209

TO's assertion that Romo favors Witten is not backed up in the stats. Just this year when Romo is on the field, he's thrown to TO 88 times and Witten 80 times (per ESPN stats). Over the 3 years that Romo has been on the field, there is an even bigger difference.

TO just has to stir stuff up b/c 1) he isn't getting open like he used to (maybe due to age, effort, double-teams, etc), 2) he doesn't have as many yards/catches/TD's as last year and 3) he's not getting all the glory.

Most of us, including myself, said he'd be nothing but trouble eventually. Time to move on after this season. He drops way too many balls anyway to put up with this, right before the most important 3-game stretch of the season.

[99WhiteBeast]

I can't believe this crap- what a little whinny arse biatch.

I would get rid of him after this season- we don't need the drama.

[tliss]

:rll::rll:

Makes me laugh. Cowboys weren't going to make the playoffs before this...now its certain :D:D

Tom

[WA 2 FST]

Tom, let's don't get too cocky about the state of the Cowboys. They would beat the Bears by 14 with their 3rd string running back. ;)

But... you're right... they are a shadow of the team that Jerry Jones paid for, and I don't see them making the playoffs either. I guess we could all say he deserves it. Signing TO, Tank, and Pacman... bad moves from all angles, IMHO.

[dboat]

Tom, let's don't get too cocky about the state of the Cowboys. They would beat the Bears by 14 with their 3rd string running back. ;)

But... you're right... they are a shadow of the team that Jerry Jones paid for, and I don't see them making the playoffs either. I guess we could all say he deserves it. Signing TO, Tank, and Pacman... bad moves from all angles, IMHO.

Tank hasnt been too bad.. the other two have been interesting.. I am not sold that TO is such a cancer as the almighty press would have you believe.

[ZeusSVT]

Tank hasnt been too bad.. the other two have been interesting.. I am not sold that TO is such a cancer as the almighty press would have you believe.


Same here. Many meetings like that go on around the league but he is under the microscope because of who he has made himself to be in this league. All the quotes and interviews today prove pretty much that it was totally blown out of proportion by some attention whore in the Cowboys Camp.

Maybe I'm just being optimistic, who knows. :rll:

I would just like to see them at least make the playoffs to see where we really stand at this year. After that, if certain people aren't performing, then yeah some restructuring should occur during the off season.

Even with the dropped balls and attention T.O. gets, the stats still speak for themselves. More TD's between TO and Romo than any other duo in the span that they have been together. That has to have won us alot of the games, although it may have lost us a few in the process as well.

I'll always be a cowboys fan though, regardless of which douchebags Jerry brings in here. :throw: :hammer:

[ZeusSVT]

Even more interesting, now the snitch appears to have been either Witten or his "Agent" according to Werder from ESPN. Geez, this season miight be over already.....:tex

[WA 2 FST]

They won tonight, in spite of TO. All he did was cost them a critical 1st down in the 3Q. He's saying all the right things now, but let's see what happens if he only gets 3 catches next week. I was glad the fans booed him big-time when he was introduced.

Wade Phillips and TO should be gone if they don't win the SB this year.

[ZeusSVT]

I agree, they both need to go if they don't at least make the superbowl. I still don't think that Jason Garrett is ready to do the job though.

However, since Wade took over the play calling for the defense, things have really turned around for them on that side of the ball. Who knows, it's week to week with these guys right now.

Should be interesting to see Ed Werder's response on ESPN since T.O. called him out after the game saying he was unprofessional. The look on Romo's face when T.O. was saying it was priceless. :rll:

[WA 2 FST]

I agree, they both need to go if they don't at least make the superbowl. I still don't think that Jason Garrett is ready to do the job though.

However, since Wade took over the play calling for the defense, things have really turned around for them on that side of the ball. Who knows, it's week to week with these guys right now.

Should be interesting to see Ed Werder's response on ESPN since T.O. called him out after the game saying he was unprofessional. The look on Romo's face when T.O. was saying it was priceless. :rll:

Yep... I was laughing too. Romo's response about TO and Witten providing the opportunity to deflect the "other" weekly distractions was great. He said, "thank you, guys"... got a kick out of that. But he has a great persona about him when things like this come up.

[TP Derrick D]

Tank hasnt been too bad.. the other two have been interesting.. I am not sold that TO is such a cancer as the almighty press would have you believe.

I'm with you Dana, I'm not a TO fan so to speak because he let the media bait him into being the punchline of their jokes but he's been labelled a villian by the media and some of the idiots just ride along for a "story",or ratings. They talking about the # of times thrown to, LOL, it should also be called thrown in his direction, some of the balls couldn't be caught by Yao Ming (if he could jump) and he's 7'7". I have hardly any faith in what the media/broadcasters say(especially any that did not play) about players and what they can do/don't do like make a catch on uncatchable balls, playing with an injured body(shoulder,toe or whatever)

[dboat]

I'm with you Dana, I'm not a TO fan so to speak because he let the media bait him into being the punchline of their jokes but he's been labelled a villian by the media and some of the idiots just ride along for a "story",or ratings. They talking about the # of times thrown to, LOL, it should also be called thrown in his direction, some of the balls couldn't be caught by Yao Ming (if he could jump) and he's 7'7". I have hardly any faith in what the media/broadcasters say(especially any that did not play) about players and what they can do/don't do like make a catch on uncatchable balls, playing with an injured body(shoulder,toe or whatever)

Thanks Derrick.. funny you should say the part about the broadcasters.. I was watching First Take or something like that on ESPN on Monday.. where Skip Bayless was saying that a certain pass should have been caught by one of the NY Giants receivers and the other fellow (cant remember his name but was once a Pro Bowl wide receiver) says the ball was uncatchable (even by him) and Bayless goes on to say it was and blah blah blah... who do some these sports talking heads think they are?

Dana

[WA 2 FST]

I agree that most of the media have never even played the game at the high school level, so they all just end up taking sound-bites from each other and making their own stories/analysis. My favorite is the John Clayton guy on ESPN. :rll:

But as far as "thrown to" or "thrown in the direction of"... who really cares? It's a team game. If you have to have all the glory, go take up golf or tennis. TO drops WA 2 many balls to be called an elite receiver.

They will be better when he is gone. Period. Just look at the d-backs with this new guy Scandrick. He's gonna be a really good one... better than silly Pacman. What a waste of $$ and talent.

The point is that all these "yahoos" can be replaced.

I'm sure the media made this a bigger deal than it was, but TO brings _most_ of it upon himself.

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I'm sure the media made this a bigger deal than it was, but TO brings _most_ of it upon himself.

Wes, I agree 110% with your post, except I do think that they are a better team with him on the field than without him, even if he is only used as a decoy. However, in the lockerroom or off the field, I agree with you . I think the real issue is that TO wants to talk and be heard.. he should have learned from the Moses Malone school of public speaking.. if you can not communicate it very clearly, then just be quiet. I lived in Houston when Moses played ball there and he said very little because as he says, I just dont talk that well.. at least he was smart enough to know.. unlike TO..

Dana

[WA 2 FST]

Very true, very true.

I do think they are better with him _now_, but my point was after the season is over, cut ties, forget any longer-term contract... good-bye. There are plenty of receivers that will be available who can duplicate what he does on the field, both as a receiver, a blocker, and a decoy...and they won't cause the issues off the field.

But Jerry Jones has never shied away from these types of people, and he isn't about to quit now.

[dboat]

Very true, very true.

I do think they are better with him _now_, but my point was after the season is over, cut ties, forget any longer-term contract... good-bye. There are plenty of receivers that will be available who can duplicate what he does on the field, both as a receiver, a blocker, and a decoy...and they won't cause the issues off the field.

But Jerry Jones has never shied away from these types of people, and he isn't about to quit now.

yes, but he will be here until his contract runs out.. they will then have Roy Williams and who knows who else that they will get either via the draft or trade or free agency. They know that Crayton is a third receiver not a second receiver. So you have to have some speed and skill in those first two.. RW is the future and were hoping on Miles Austin, Stanback, etc but not sure those guys can get it done.
Dana

[ZeusSVT]

A little off subject with T.O., but what do you guys think about Miles Austin from what you have seen of him? He hasn't got much play time this year, but when he has been in the game he has made some good plays. Do you think he might have potential down the road?

[dboat]

A little off subject with T.O., but what do you guys think about Miles Austin from what you have seen of him? He hasn't got much play time this year, but when he has been in the game he has made some good plays. Do you think he might have potential down the road?

yes, as a third receiver

Dana

[TP Derrick D]

Dana,
yep, that 's Skip Bayless, I call him Dip(stick) Cluess...
I know those guys & on radio have a job to do, but when they start telling innocent ears their "I'm never wrong because I say so and this is what that player is doing, that player said, that player shoulda, woulda, coulda done".....I personally lose all respect for their reporting skills......because not everyone that watch/listen to them is as old and follow sports as long and in depth as I do. So people that don't probably believe every word they say...like I say I never pay any attention to the ones that didn't play....they just went to some journalism class and lucked into the job....
As far as TO goes, they are way better with him than without, fans can say what they want & dislike all they want but the guy produce on the field, he knows it and not scared to say it, more importantly the other teams know it thats why he still draw double coverage, TO hadn't done anything Michael Irvin before him didn't do, only with Michael they won 3 Super Bowls, other than that he wanted the ball too, he got in other people face too, maybe just not his coaches because he didn't have a push over coach in Jimmy Johnson, but when Jimmy left things started to change on the field, off the field you know how he was rollin'. Speaking of that, a couple weeks ago I heard Troy Aikman TRYIN' to drop a dime on TO, I start laughing, he was saying the Cowboys shouldn't put up with him, he's too much trouble yap,yap,yap....I was thinking ALL that stuff that happened with the Cowboys while you were there, if it hadn't been for all that trouble with the Cowboys you won't had anyone except Emmit left, that means no rings.....:rll:
The next day on all those ESPN shows they were doggin' Troy out also for saying that, considering what went on at Valley Ranch.They were saying he didnt seem to have a problem with troublesome players then. Now as media, you do?
But as long as TO's QB & his teammates say he's OK, the coaches say he's not a problem and the owner keeps paying him the media might as well get off his jock and the fans can change the channel....

[WA 2 FST]

No matter what... he's a cancer. Period. He IS replaceable. Period. He is a very skilled receiver, but there are a lot of those in the NFL now. With colleges running spread and pro-style offenses, there are a lot of young quality receivers in the league, and soon-to-be in the league. E.g.: Larry Fitzgerald. 1000x classier than TO is, and a better receiver. Hines Ward plays the game extremely hard... may not have the raw skills of TO, but is a much more clutch receiver.

But the TO type just one reason I'm turned off at the pro game across the board. These guys are thugs. They have very little class, can't handle the success, have very little self-control, have no clue on how to graciously accept praise without going off and bragging about themselves. Do your job and shut up.

And yes, "The Playmaker" (as he so called himself... no one else called him that :icon_rolleyes:) was a big mouth, too. However, he was much more clutch than TO has been, or ever will be. Forget the stats that might favor TO. Wins is all that matters. Being a leader on the team and garnering respect from your teammates is what matters. Irvin had his off-the-field issues (moreso than TO), but he didn't throw his teammates under the bus, and he was respected. TO is just a whiner. Sorry... McNabb, Garcia, and Romo are not all wrong. Look at the common denominator. It doesn't take a lot of smarts to figure out who the problem is.

The Cowboys are better with him _this_ year, but they will be better in the future without him.

[TP Derrick D]

No matter what... he's a cancer. Period. He IS replaceable. Period. He is a very skilled receiver, but there are a lot of those in the NFL now. With colleges running spread and pro-style offenses, there are a lot of young quality receivers in the league, and soon-to-be in the league. E.g.: Larry Fitzgerald. 1000x classier than TO is, and a better receiver. Hines Ward plays the game extremely hard... may not have the raw skills of TO, but is a much more clutch receiver.

But the TO type just one reason I'm turned off at the pro game across the board. These guys are thugs. They have very little class, can't handle the success, have very little self-control, have no clue on how to graciously accept praise without going off and bragging about themselves. Do your job and shut up.

And yes, "The Playmaker" (as he so called himself... no one else called him that :icon_rolleyes:) was a big mouth, too. However, he was much more clutch than TO has been, or ever will be. Forget the stats that might favor TO. Wins is all that matters. Being a leader on the team and garnering respect from your teammates is what matters. Irvin had his off-the-field issues (moreso than TO), but he didn't throw his teammates under the bus, and he was respected. TO is just a whiner. Sorry... McNabb, Garcia, and Romo are not all wrong. Look at the common denominator. It doesn't take a lot of smarts to figure out who the problem is.

The Cowboys are better with him _this_ year, but they will be better in the future without him.

They will be without him because he near the end of his career... Period.
Like some of the reporters that I don't really care for said doing all this:
"He's like all top notch recievers he want the ball & in his mind, he is always open, but is the teams he's been on better with or with out him? All the teams he was on went to playoffs, when he left they struggled & still struggling"
That's one thing they got right, some(reporters) agree TO has been a problem, some(reporters) agree he gets a bad rap & no matter what he'll never shake it.
Michael had big time stuff going on, in the lockeroom and off the field. In the locker room(with a teammate off the field) there was a fight and Mc??? got cut in the neck with scissors....or so was reported, I wasn't there....other stuff happened also in the "white house"...but he was good & a vocal leader on the field that backed up his talk, if they wasn't winning Super Bowls he would be in the same boat with TO...labbelled, branded, scorned,outcasted....PERIOD!!!!! and I'm not a TO fan.

[WA 2 FST]

I won't argue with you at all on Irvin. Like I said above... wins are what matters. It is a TEAM game. Personal stats do not matter. That's the only reason Aikman is the in HOF (wins, not stats). TO has all the stats, and backs it up with more dropped passes and a bunch of vocal nonsense (at least in public). The only thing I respect him for is playing through a serious injury in the SB a few years ago with the Eagles... and he had an exceptional game. So that says something, and I'll be the first to acknowledge that. Otherwise, he's a self-centered whiner, and I couldn't care less what the "talking heads" of the media say.

I mentioned two top-notch receivers... no muss, no fuss, just going about their business. They are not _all_ alike, but I'd lump Ocho-Cinco and TO together.

Just go run your pass pattern with some passion and make some blocks. Be a team player. If you're open, the O-line blocks well, and you have a good QB, you'll get plenty of touches. Whether you actually catch the ball that is thrown to you is up to you. If the team wins and you catch 1 pass, that's fine.

When he's playing with heart, TO is excellent. When he's feeling sorry for himself and his "stats", he's a waste of Jerry's $$.