ProBowl Selections....Romo NOT in, WTF? Rant ON

[ZeusSVT]

I find this hard to believe, even with him being injured those three weeks, and the collapse that happened when he wasn't there. How can you not say that this kid is not one of the top three QB's in the NFC right now.

IMO and I may be a little biased, but he has to be one of the most talented QB's on the field right now. The AFC picks were garbage too. I'm not as bothered by those though as I am by the fact that Romo didn't make it this year. Sorry but Brett Favre didn't deserve it at all. :flaming:

I was already disgruntled by the fact that UT got snubbed on the BIG 12 game and a shot at the title, and then you do this to a very deserving Quarterback. :nono::bs A disappointing year for this sports fan so far....unless of course he goes on to lead us to the Super Bowl. :icon_eek:

I do find it quite humorous though that T.O. was snubbed....:rll:

Late Night Rant over.......:beer: :tex

[StormShadow]

That sucks for Romo but I sure am proud of my boy Ratliff

[Shiner1]

I like Romo as well but I think for the most part he has played like doggy doodoo!! There are more deserving QB's around the league.

[StormShadow]

Romo played like crap? Do you watch the games? Romo is a playmaking qb he is going to give the ball away from time to time but he makes up for it with plays that other qbs wont or cant make.

[ZeusSVT]

I like Romo as well but I think for the most part he has played like doggy doodoo!! There are more deserving QB's around the league.


Err, no, I have to disagree with you there BIG TIME.....I'm curious which cowboys team you were watching play football. :icon_eek:

Look at his stats, and look at the way he plays the game. He has the second highest Quarterback Rating in the league with a 98.3, and the only person better than him for the season is Phillip Rivers with a 101.4. He was tied for 4th highest in TD passes for the season, 4th highest in avg passing yards per game. :eek2:

Take Brett Favre for instance in stats for worst. He's thrown more interceptions than any other quarterback in the league. Romo has six less than him and less than all other quarterbacks that made the list besides Eli Manning.

Stats speak for themselves. I think he got stiffed on this one. He definitely deserved to be there.

[Shiner1]

I'm watching the same games you are:rolleyes:. 3 int's against the steelers. 11 in 11 games. I lost count on how many fumbles he has had. He played well against Seattle, gave away the Steelers game and got the job done against NY. I give the defense more credit for that one. Frankly I can't remember before that. But I think he has been below ave for the most part. I'm not a big follower of stats and if your measuring stick for the pro bowl is stats then that's fine. I have no argument with that. IMO the stick is where you are taking the team and I think he is taking them to the golf course in three weeks. Just my .2

[ZeusSVT]

I can see where you are coming from with some of that definitely. But the reason I kinda go to stats, is that's what tells you where he's at compared to the rest of the QB's in the league. Yeah he gives up the ball some, and you see that because you watch the games. Compare him to the others in the league that do it that you don't get to see play on Sunday. He makes plays happen, he's bound to give it up every now and then. All but one other QB that made the pro bowl did it MORE than him. :confused:

It's kinda disappointing that he didn't get picked. You seen how the team played with him not there, and how they are playing now. It's night and day.

I hope your prediction doesn't happen though. I'd like to see them get in the playoffs again this year and make a run at it. The defense is at a high point in their game right now and I think they could at least make it past the first round. :icon_lol:

[Shiner1]

I can see where you are coming from with some of that definitely. But the reason I kinda go to stats, is that's what tells you where he's at compared to the rest of the QB's in the league. Yeah he gives up the ball some, and you see that because you watch the games. Compare him to the others in the league that do it that you don't get to see play on Sunday. He makes plays happen, he's bound to give it up every now and then. All but one other QB that made the pro bowl did it MORE than him. :confused:

It's kinda disappointing that he didn't get picked. You seen how the team played with him not there, and how they are playing now. It's night and day.

I hope your prediction doesn't happen though. I'd like to see them get in the playoffs again this year and make a run at it. The defense is at a high point in their game right now and I think they could at least make it past the first round. :icon_lol:

I like the guy too and would like to see him do well and see the boys go deep. He just doesn't seem to have that spark, if you will, that a QB who has a couple of games left in the season should have. I think he should be getting better, sharpening the sword. Maybe the finger is still bothering him a little. Hell, beats me.

[StormShadow]

I never really like comparing stats to me it's all about what do you mean to your teams success. We all saw what happened when Romo was out. I think it's a good thing that we are even having this conversation. Think back to Huthinson and Carter and Sterner and Testaverde and Leaf. I still think Romo deserved to go but not sure who I would replace. Maybe Warner but I wouldnt feel good about that either. Maybe dumbface Manning.

[ZeusSVT]

....Maybe dumbface Manning.
knana It is hard to say who to take off the list if you put him on, I vote Manning, I'd feel bad taking Warner out of it too.


I lke to go alot by what they mean to the teams success too, and he is a huge factor to the cowboys. I just started looking at stats though to compare him to who got in because that's what they do right when the picks come out. It just doesn't add up on several accounts.

:D

[dboat]

IMHO

ProBowl--use the stats...

MVP--how valuable to their team

just because there is a big dropoff to the second team quarterback may only mean that the second team qb just aint that great..

Dana

[ZeusSVT]

IMHO

ProBowl--use the stats...

MVP--how valuable to their team

just because there is a big dropoff to the second team quarterback may only mean that the second team qb just aint that great..

Dana


Exactly Dana :tu:

It's what every analyst does when the picks come out is start comparing stats. :rolleyes: That's why the Romo snub is so questionable in my opinion.

[Shiner1]

Exactly Dana :tu:

It's what every analyst does when the picks come out is start comparing stats. :rolleyes: That's why the Romo snub is so questionable in my opinion.

I can see where you are coming from.

[WA 2 FST]

Bradie James is the one who really got messed around.

[L8 APEX]

Romo's head is not in the NFL right now:rolleyes:

[ZeusSVT]

Bradie James is the one who really got messed around.


Very True, they were talking about him being a huge snub last night too. The worst part about his snub, is it is easy to tell who he was more deserving than.

The Quarterback situation is a littlle tougher to choose who to replace I guess. They all deserved it who got in, but I just think Romo deserved it more.

[dboat]

Romo's head is not in the NFL right now:rolleyes:

oh, I think it is.. he has been getting that long enough now that it isnt the distraction it used to be..

[WA 2 FST]

Very True, they were talking about him being a huge snub last night too. The worst part about his snub, is it is easy to tell who he was more deserving than.

The Quarterback situation is a littlle tougher to choose who to replace I guess. They all deserved it who got in, but I just think Romo deserved it more.

Chances are if the Cowboys had beaten the Cards and the Steelers (two games Romo was playing when they lost), he'd have been in...even missing 3 games.

Passer ratings are kind of like batting averages. You can pad the stats when the game is out of reach (way ahead or behind), but when its on the line who is "clutch." A-Rod is my baseball example. Hits great when the score is 9-0 in the 7th inning, but in the clutch... not so good. However, I do think Romo is a QB that is good enough to lead the Cowboys to the Super Bowl. I'm not sure who I would take over him, except a healthy Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Eli, Favre, Brees, Roth., Warner, etc. ... nope.

[ZeusSVT]

Chances are if the Cowboys had beaten the Cards and the Steelers (two games Romo was playing when they lost), he'd have been in...even missing 3 games.

Passer ratings are kind of like batting averages. You can pad the stats when the game is out of reach (way ahead or behind), but when its on the line who is "clutch." A-Rod is my baseball example. Hits great when the score is 9-0 in the 7th inning, but in the clutch... not so good. However, I do think Romo is a QB that is good enough to lead the Cowboys to the Super Bowl. I'm not sure who I would take over him, except a healthy Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Eli, Favre, Brees, Roth., Warner, etc. ... nope.


True true. Those are probably the only two I would take in his place. Favre in the beginning of the year was impressive but faded quickly, and the rest you listed well......yeah same opinion as you on them as well. :icon_mrgreen:

[L8 APEX]

favre should have stayed retired and taken the $20million for his naming rights...:hammer:

[ZeusSVT]

favre should have stayed retired and taken the $20million for his naming rights...:hammer:

Yep, I said that before the season started too, then for a brief moment I retracted it because he was playing well. Then all of a sudden.....:throw:

[WA 2 FST]

favre should have stayed retired and taken the $20million for his naming rights...:hammer:

No kidding.

[TP Derrick D]

I been reading these posts and see a lot, and I mean a lot of homer bias, last year the 'Boys got more P.B. selections than they should have, this year not so. Can't have it both ways on Romo & TO, if TO stats are down, so will be Romo's. So all fans that dislike TO better hope he does well on the field, not only that ,if the passing game is not there then the running game will suffer when teams stack the box. Teams are not scared Roy Williams & Witten can beat them downfield. With Barber out, Choice had a good game but can he do it every game, if not it goes back to passing. In the Pro Bowl selections, Randy Moss didn't make it either, is it because Tom Brady is out and Moss stats are down? Same with TO & Romo, they need each other, its simple as that. And I'm not a TO fan or really a Cowboy fan since '93, but it is what it is with them.

[ZeusSVT]

I been reading these posts and see a lot, and I mean a lot of homer bias, last year the 'Boys got more P.B. selections than they should have, this year not so. Can't have it both ways on Romo & TO, if TO stats are down, so will be Romo's. So all fans that dislike TO better hope he does well on the field, not only that ,if the passing game is not there then the running game will suffer when teams stack the box. Teams are not scared Roy Williams & Witten can beat them downfield. With Barber out, Choice had a good game but can he do it every game, if not it goes back to passing. In the Pro Bowl selections, Randy Moss didn't make it either, is it because Tom Brady is out and Moss stats are down? Same with TO & Romo, they need each other, its simple as that. And I'm not a TO fan or really a Cowboy fan since '93, but it is what it is with them.


How do you explain the Witten/Romo combo then??? Witten's not successful without Romo either....but he is in again...and VERY well deserving of it. http://www.lightningrodder.com/forum/images/smilies/102.gif

[TP Derrick D]

How do you explain the Witten/Romo combo then??? Witten's not successful without Romo either....but he is in again...and VERY well deserving of it. http://www.lightningrodder.com/forum/images/smilies/102.gif

Witten is a 2nd or 3rd option, he's a TE, he catch the ball off the line & run, hes not a downfield threat. That's why his stats are good, just like Welker of N.E., both him & Witten are good for what they do, but neither is a WR with speed and good patterns, they are open more because the main recievers T.O., Williams & Moss in N.E. draws double coverage down field leaving little dink & donk passes off the line. Remove TO & Moss off their team and see how many catches Witten & Welker make.

[StormShadow]

I dissagree with you Derrick. TO has only been with the Cowboys for 2 seasons and Witten has been to 4 pro bowls. Witten is one of if not the best route running TE in the league and Welker is a WR and has 4.3-4.4 speed. I figure TO is nothing without Romo not the other way around. To me TO and Moss are the same guy. Very fast very talented and very disruptive to their own team. Cant say that about Witt or Welker. They just take what u give them and keep their mouth shut right? Pro Bowl is somewhat of a popularity contest and nobody likes the bigmouth premadonna WR.

[ZeusSVT]

Derrick, Welker is a wide receiver and one hell of a fast moving guy when he gets the ball. You can't really compare him at all to Jason Witten.

Like Adam said, as far as Witten, when he plays he runs some of the smartest routes for any tight end in the game. That's why he gets open like he does, not all of his catches are right off the line. He catches more balls down field on routes than he does right off the line.

The TO/Moss comparison...ok. But Witten/Welker......:icon_eek: Bad

[wesman]

I never really like comparing stats to me it's all about what do you mean to your teams success. We all saw what happened when Romo was out. I think it's a good thing that we are even having this conversation. Think back to Huthinson and Carter and Sterner and Testaverde and Leaf. I still think Romo deserved to go but not sure who I would replace. Maybe Warner but I wouldnt feel good about that either. Maybe dumbface Manning.


Warner definitely should have made it, he is playing (save the last two games) better than anyone in the league. He would have been the MVP if not for the meltdown in Minnesota.

--wes

[wesman]

Witten is a 2nd or 3rd option, he's a TE, he catch the ball off the line & run, hes not a downfield threat. That's why his stats are good, just like Welker of N.E., both him & Witten are good for what they do, but neither is a WR with speed and good patterns, they are open more because the main recievers T.O., Williams & Moss in N.E. draws double coverage down field leaving little dink & donk passes off the line. Remove TO & Moss off their team and see how many catches Witten & Welker make.

Welker plays the slot......he could be on any team and still get the same production. He did the same thing in Miami, who were his stud receivers covering for him there ?

I think it's actually the exact opposite of your theory, take Welker and Witten out of the equation and guys like Moss and TO don't do as well because the D's key on them much more.

--wes

[TP Derrick D]

You guys can certainly have your opinion about TO & Moss or Welker/Witten, but that don't change mines, I know Welker plays the slot and he didn't do anything in Miami, never heard of him till he went to the Patriots playing 2nd reciever to Randy Moss. He got open alot due to coverage on Moss, make him a #1 reciever and see what he gets, Witten does the same as all top TE do, block, come off line go to center of field or sidelines just like the other top TE's Gates(Chargers) & Gonzalez(Chiefs) do. Like I said they do good for what they do in their role and running their route but they don't draw double coverage,they don't strike fear in the secondary, they don't catch 40 yards or more in the air bombs. You guys got me really wanting to see an entire year with Welker out wide on the field with no Moss and some other reciever for the Patriots and no TO or Williams but Crayton out wide and Witten as TE for the 'Boys so I can see what D-coordinators do.Hey thanks guys!!:tu:

[ZeusSVT]

You guys can certainly have your opinion about TO & Moss or Welker/Witten, but that don't change mines, I know Welker plays the slot and he didn't do anything in Miami, never heard of him till he went to the Patriots playing 2nd reciever to Randy Moss. He got open alot due to coverage on Moss, make him a #1 reciever and see what he gets, Witten does the same as all top TE do, block, come off line go to center of field or sidelines just like the other top TE's Gates(Chargers) & Gonzalez(Chiefs) do. Like I said they do good for what they do in their role and running their route but they don't draw double coverage,they don't strike fear in the secondary, they don't catch 40 yards or more in the air bombs. You guys got me really wanting to see an entire year with Welker out wide on the field with no Moss and some other reciever for the Patriots and no TO or Williams but Crayton out wide and Witten as TE for the 'Boys so I can see what D-coordinators do.Hey thanks guys!!:tu:


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[wesman]

You need to actually watch games outside the Dallas market:

Welker had over 2000 all purpose yards in the two years prior to joining the Patriots. He was a punt and kick returner there and there's a reason the Patriots picked him up in FA. He was killing them.

There's no doubt that Moss, TO etc make these guys better, but that works both ways. If you think Moss or TO would be better without these role players I think you're looking at this with an extreme bias.

I played a lot of defensive back in my day and I must say I feared the underneath route much more than the over the top/downfield route. The guys that catch it underneath or in the crease usually kill you a lot more often than the longball where there is safety help and often double teams.

--wes