Bad football

[WA 2 FST]

All I can say is that if the Cowboys played in the NFC North, they would be 12-3 at the worst right now (given they would go 6-0 in that division playing with their 2nd stringers for a half). I just finished watching the 2nd half of the Bears/Packers game. Man those two teams are bad. The Bears won in spite of themselves, and got a bunch of lucky breaks.

If anyone here thinks Romo is bad, just watch Orton. He is absolutely horrible, even against a 5-9 Packers team.

Yikes, that's some bad football.

[ZeusSVT]

I have to agree. That was some pathetic football. :tex

And did you hear them going over stats during the game? They said that Chicago hadn't had a pass play for over 30 yards to one of their receivers all year. :hammer:

[dboat]

If the Boys win against Philly..then they will be 10-6, they were 13-3 last year and Romo played in all the games.. if he had been healthy, like last year, I could easily see them finishing with at least a 13-3 again.. and having home field advantage all the way through.. also, they have been using a rookie 4th rd draft pick for their starting running back. So yes, I am a homer, but am a realist as well. If they can be a bit more consistent, they can win it all..but time will tell.

I just hope the entire team feels it has something to prove to give it some of the right motivation to win a championship.

Dana

[WA 2 FST]

They can definitely beat anyone in the NFC, but have proven otherwise vs. the AFC. We'll see. If they can't beat Philly, they certainly don't deserve to be playing any longer this season.

[dboat]

They can definitely beat anyone in the NFC, but have proven otherwise vs. the AFC. We'll see. If they can't beat Philly, they certainly don't deserve to be playing any longer this season.

I agree with your assessment on beating Philly.. but I do think they can beat those AFC teams IF they will play at the level they are capable of playing for an entire game.. what I have seen recently is that they are slow to get going or dont finish it out..

Dana

[WA 2 FST]

And those two issues are a direct reflection of the coach. If Lovie Smith had the Cowboys talent, they would be 13-3 even with Romo missing some time.

[dboat]

And those two issues are a direct reflection of the coach. If Lovie Smith had the Cowboys talent, they would be 13-3 even with Romo missing some time.

I am not quite there yet, but feel I may be on my way... you guys have made some convincing arguments... I am still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, mostly because I know that JJ calls the shots.. so I cut any head coach of the Boys a lot of slack.. but as was stated somewhere else, with the ony exception being Barry Switzer, only the coaches at Dallas that ruled with an iron fist have really won championships.

Dana

[WA 2 FST]

I don't care if he's a 'player's coach' or rules with an iron fist. Jimmy had worn out his welcome with those players he had anyway. They weren't the "young bucks" any longer. Same thing with Avery Johnson and the Mavs. Same with Parcells.

But they are one of the most undisciplined teams in the NFL, and they don't have a bunch of rookie players starting. They don't seem to be very motivated at times. These are a direct reflection of the coach... no matter his style. He finally took over as the D-coordinator (for all intents and purposes), and the results have been excellent overall.

I just think as a head coach, he's in over his head.

Jerry calls the shots as far as personnel...and while I think he isn't that good at his GM part of his job, its tough to argue that there are any/many teams with more talent than the Cowboys, even using their #3 running back the last 3 games. Jerry can't be blamed for an underachieving team. If the players were bad (and he's played his part in that in years past... Carter, Hutchinson, Henson as QB's... laughable), then you could blame the GM/Owner. These players aren't bad, so I blame the coach(es).

[Shiner1]

I don't care if he's a 'player's coach' or rules with an iron fist. Jimmy had worn out his welcome with those players he had anyway. They weren't the "young bucks" any longer. Same thing with Avery Johnson and the Mavs. Same with Parcells.

But they are one of the most undisciplined teams in the NFL, and they don't have a bunch of rookie players starting. They don't seem to be very motivated at times. These are a direct reflection of the coach... no matter his style. He finally took over as the D-coordinator (for all intents and purposes), and the results have been excellent overall.

I just think as a head coach, he's in over his head.

Jerry calls the shots as far as personnel...and while I think he isn't that good at his GM part of his job, its tough to argue that there are any/many teams with more talent than the Cowboys, even using their #3 running back the last 3 games. Jerry can't be blamed for an underachieving team. If the players were bad (and he's played his part in that in years past... Carter, Hutchinson, Henson as QB's... laughable), then you could blame the GM/Owner. These players aren't bad, so I blame the coach(es).

Wes, I agree with 99% of what you said. The only exception is the offensive production over the past few games. Romo for the most part is not getting the ball where it needs to be. Overthrows, one-hops. He is good for at least 1 pick per game and possibly a fumble. Of couse if you hit a guy in the gut with the ball and he drops it, it's not the QB's fault but the offense is not performing up to it's talent. Bad play calling?...maybe (coahes fault) poor play..that's on the players.

Dana, Switzer was either to drunk to make any changes or he was smart enough to leave a Superbowl winning team in place when it came to the Cowboys. I think he was too drunk myself.

[WA 2 FST]

John,

I guess my thoughts are that without the dumb penalties, poor discipline on special teams, lack of fire and leadership, the players wouldn't have to play a perfect game every time out. I think those 3 things are a direct correlation to the quality of coaching (from the head guy on down).

I like Romo, and even though I don't like TO, he's a very good receiver. The defenses are going to be tough every now and then. I don't expect them to score 25-30 a game every time out.

I've watched quite a bit of NFL ball this year (more than in recent years, b/c I tend to watch more college than anything), and there are just a few QB's I'd take over Romo, even with some of the poor decisions he makes. There are some really BAD QB's in the game. Wow.

Yeah, he has 13 INTs and he's played 12 games. So you're right on... he's worth at least 1 turnover per game and possibly 2 if he fumbles it once (and that's an issue for him). But if you have a 2-to-1 TD to INT ratio, then you're producing a lot of points. 3-to-1 or better would be nice, but as much as the Cowboys throw the ball, we're going to have to live with some INTs and some fumbles from the QB (whoever it is) from getting hit in the pocket. As good as their RBs are when healthy, they will not run for 200-300 yards combined very often.

[Shiner1]

John,

I guess my thoughts are that without the dumb penalties, poor discipline on special teams, lack of fire and leadership, the players wouldn't have to play a perfect game every time out. I think those 3 things are a direct correlation to the quality of coaching (from the head guy on down).

I like Romo, and even though I don't like TO, he's a very good receiver. The defenses are going to be tough every now and then. I don't expect them to score 25-30 a game every time out.

I've watched quite a bit of NFL ball this year (more than in recent years, b/c I tend to watch more college than anything), and there are just a few QB's I'd take over Romo, even with some of the poor decisions he makes. There are some really BAD QB's in the game. Wow.

Yeah, he has 13 INTs and he's played 12 games. So you're right on... he's worth at least 1 turnover per game and possibly 2 if he fumbles it once (and that's an issue for him). But if you have a 2-to-1 TD to INT ratio, then you're producing a lot of points. 3-to-1 or better would be nice, but as much as the Cowboys throw the ball, we're going to have to live with some INTs and some fumbles from the QB (whoever it is) from getting hit in the pocket. As good as their RBs are when healthy, they will not run for 200-300 yards combined very often.

+1 on the dumb plays and penalties.

[BC Lightning]

Hmmm when were discussing how bad the Bears are, Tom is no where to be found :throw:

[WA 2 FST]

Hmmm when were discussing how bad the Bears are, Tom is no where to be found :throw:
Yeah, they are just pathetic. I have absolutely no respect for that team at all. I can't believe they were in the SB a couple of years ago. That's just how bad the NFC was/is.

Lovie, a decent (but not great) D, a quality KR and FG kicker is all they have going for them. No offense, not enough speed on defense to take them very far. The Cowboys would have to turn it over 4x to lose to them.

[tiffo60]

Did anyone catch the Boise St and TCU game lastnight? That was an awesome game:bows