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BC Lightning
02-15-2009, 11:03 AM
Pretty interesting, I agree with most, and disagree with some, but I'm not an "expert"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5055404.ece

BC Lightning
02-15-2009, 11:07 AM
another interesting article from same site

"No excuses if Obama can't fix 'his' recession"


"Unless he has worked out some effective way of spending the $2 trillion that Washington rumour says new bailouts will cost, a gaggle of finance ministers will head home disappointed."

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article5734337.ece

dboat
02-15-2009, 05:48 PM
Pretty interesting, I agree with most, and disagree with some, but I'm not an "expert"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5055404.ece


FDR in retrospect may not have been as great as they have placed him and I dont think W will be on the bottom ten as they have placed him.. Carter should have been lower because he was totally worthless and has become even more worthless in the last few years.
Nixon may have improved over time as he was the one that finally got a dialogue going with the Chinese.

Dana

ezapche
02-16-2009, 04:34 PM
FDR in retrospect may not have been as great as they have placed him

Dana

Why don't you think FDR is worthy of the top 3?

dboat
02-16-2009, 04:56 PM
Why don't you think FDR is worthy of the top 3?

He really didnt do that much after review.. while he tried, in fact it is now known that he lengthened the depression by at least 7 years due to his actions.

my2002lightning
02-16-2009, 05:15 PM
Well, Reagan made the Top-10 at #8 in their ranking.

ezapche
02-16-2009, 05:37 PM
Not much?!? What about the Social Security Act, National Labor Relations Act that granted unions legal protection, Glass-Stegaull Act to regulate government oversight of bank practices, Security and Exchanges comisssion, Tennessee Valley Authority,FDIC, are these not valuable to our current society when properly executed. He was also was instrumental in keeping the Allied Powers afloat before the US entered WWII during an age of isolationism with policies like the Lend Lease act. There is no arguing some of his policies contributed to the extension of the depression, but he must be judged as a whole. During his time in office he helped restore faith in the American system and saved capitalism.

dboat
02-16-2009, 06:04 PM
Not much?!? What about the Social Security Act, National Labor Relations Act that granted unions legal protection, Glass-Stegaull Act to regulate government oversight of bank practices, Security and Exchanges comisssion, Tennessee Valley Authority,FDIC, are these not valuable to our current society when properly executed. He was also was instrumental in keeping the Allied Powers afloat before the US entered WWII during an age of isolationism with policies like the Lend Lease act. There is no arguing some of his policies contributed to the extension of the depression, but he must be judged as a whole. During his time in office he helped restore faith in the American system and saved capitalism.

ok, we will have to disagree on this one.. one might say that some of the actions listed by you are not those that are necessarily wonderful.. but that is what makes the list a piece of conversation, as all lists do.

Dana

ezapche
02-16-2009, 06:12 PM
I agree, that's what makes these list so fun. Conversation to be continued over a beer! :beer:

dboat
02-16-2009, 06:15 PM
I agree, that's what makes these list so fun. Conversation to be continued over a beer! :beer:
absolutely.. and the first ones on me:tu:

Dana

ezapche
02-16-2009, 06:30 PM
Just remember, that beer is brought to us legally due to laws passed by FDR, sorry couldn't resist. :d

dboat
02-16-2009, 06:39 PM
Just remember, that beer is brought to us legally due to laws passed by FDR, sorry couldn't resist. :d

Did he suspend Prohibition?

ezapche
02-16-2009, 07:05 PM
He signed the 21st amendment which repealed the 18th thus allowing the manufacturing and sale of alcoholic beverages.

dboat
02-16-2009, 07:08 PM
He signed the 21st amendment which repealed the 18th thus allowing the manufacturing and sale of alcoholic beverages.

I'd have to give him props for that one... :tu: