Ford vs Chevy Fall Shootout Discussion

[BC Lightning]

What month would people like the second shootout to take place

September, October, November, or December

It also needs to take place on a Saturday so it gives people enough time if they are coming from out of town

I have spoken to a few Chevy guys and they are willing to get the interest and collect money from them so that we can rent the track

We still need to get some information from the track as far as availability, price, etc

But we had around 50 Lightnings/Harleys and if we charged $20-30 a person we could probably raise enough funds to rent out the track

Let the discussion begin

[duckysbht]

Is this going to be at Ennis or somewhere else?

[BC Lightning]

Is this going to be at Ennis or somewhere else?

At Ennis, unless the new track is open by then and we can get a better price there :tu:

[duckysbht]

At Ennis, unless the new track is open by then and we can get a better price there :tu:

Well tell the track prep guys that where ever we decide to hold our meet, is where they need to be. Because last night was the best I have ever seen. I didn't cut my best 60ft. because of my newly acquired stall, but it was great prep. Hardly any water and VHT to go around :evil

[REDBLITZ]

Has their been any discussion on how it will be organized? Classes? Top 15-20? Best 60ft? Best 1/8th? Heads up? Stuff like that.

[brobradh77]

I am all for it..and renting out a track would be sweet..that way we can grudge race all day/night long..i like the night racing myself...

Are y'all still wanting to run the 1/4? I have heard intrest in y'all wanting to run the 1/8 next time.

[99WhiteBeast]

Are y'all still wanting to run the 1/4? I have heard intrest in y'all wanting to run the 1/8 next time.

I think that talk was just centered around maybe getting more runs or being better organized at a smaller venue- hence the 1/8. I think there are more options available in the 1/8 format for a track rental.

[Shiner1]

I think that talk was just centered around maybe getting more runs or being better organized at a smaller venue- hence the 1/8. I think there are more options available in the 1/8 format for a track rental.


+1, more racing, less waiting..

[REDBLITZ]

I've seen rental rates for smaller tracks and it was high as hell. Renting Ennis for a day has got to be several thousands of dollars.

On a side note, prefer 1/4 mile. It would work in our favor but I think 1/4 would be best.

[duckysbht]

Yeah I prefer 1/4 as well, it takes me till the 1/8 to get my turbo even spooled up... :evil

[DamnYankee]

I vote Ennis in October...it should be cool, I think we can get the track for a decent price, I think we can get enough guys to show up.

I say we save the discussions about classes, who runs who, etc. for another time.

[BC Lightning]

When it was looked into renting Ennis for the TALON fall classic a few years back it was around $3500. I'm not sure of the price since it has been a few years.

The reason for needing the track to be rented is it gives more organized racing, less waiting around, and less chance of complete blowouts.

There has to be classes, this past Friday was a prime example, Fords had the fastest time, yet Chevy had the most overall wins

If you break it into classes and stick with it it is more heads up racing, where reaction time plays a big part in the race

Like I stated earlier, if we can get 50 committed people from both sides to give $20 that's $1,000 from each side, $2,000 total. That should be a pretty good down payment, then set up a date and within a certain amount of time from that date the price goes up, maybe from $20 to $30, $10 or $15 to watch. There are guys who have said they are willing to pay $100 each

That way people are more inclined to come since they gave money up front

Then Lightnings race each other to get their times, and Chevys race each other. You get your dial in times and stay in your appropriate lanes i.e. lanes 1 for Lightning 13.0+ Lane 2 for Silverados 13.0+, lane 3 L's 12.0-12.99 Lane 4 Chevy 12.0-12.99 and so on

I really think it is possible and having 5 months to plan will give more people the ability to take off work and make travel arrangements

With it being private we could get more involvment out of the track to make sure the right trucks are in the right lanes, so a 10sec truck doesn't run in the 14.0 group

[ZeusSVT]

I'm in. I vote for October. Who's collecting money from our side?? I can front some extra too if it means getting it locked in on the schedule so people can start getting their plans taken care of to be there.

[BC Lightning]

At the meet this week I think it would be goo to discuss this. Maybe the track has a paypal account or some type of account and we could pay them directly, instead of having an individual taking the money

Plus someone needs to speak with the track and see if any Saturdays in October are available. . . . . . **cough cough . . . . Tiffo :D

[tiffo60]

I voted for October because August and September are going to be way to hot

[tiffo60]

At the meet this week I think it would be goo to discuss this. Maybe the track has a paypal account or some type of account and we could pay them directly, instead of having an individual taking the money

Plus someone needs to speak with the track and see if any Saturdays in October are available. . . . . . **cough cough . . . . Tiffo :D

I will email her on Cost of track rental in Oct.:tu:

[john.s]

im down for this

[Silver_2000]

this will require the active participation of at least 3 people from the 2 sites to make this happen

If you rent the track you cant count on the track to run it the way you want unless you tell them exactly how you want it and demand it

My experience with rental fees is that the fee is the starting price
It includes little
VHT after initial prep is extra
Oil downs - extra
Ambulance staff - may be extra

Just be prepared to be hit for a large bill at the end

[WA 2 FST]

Michael,

I'm telling you, the way the Buick GN vs. 5.0 Mustang Shootouts were done a decade ago work the best.

You can have "fun grudge" matches during breaks or after the event is over, but the best way to get the most participation is to let everyone run time-trials and then line up #1 vs. #1 - #20 vs. #20 (or however many the smallest group shows). The more trucks each side brings out, the better chance they have to win.

You get 2-3 time trials, and then you allow for .5 "breakout". It isn't a bracket race, its heads-up, but if anyone runs over .5 quicker than their best time-trial run, then they lose due to exhorbitant sandbagging. This way, someone couldn't run a 13.2 in order to race a slower truck, and then bust off an 11.8 and take an easy win.

You may have some "unfair" races at the beginning if one group has five low-10 sec trucks, and the other group only has two, and then the next three are mid-11 sec trucks. But it all evens out over 25-30 races.

It also adds some competition among your own group. If you have 30 Lightnings and 40 Chevy's, then the Chevy guys have to fight it out to see who is going to finish in the top 30.

Sure, this format takes a couple of organizers, but it is very fair, rewards participation, and doesn't allow for excuses. It also rewards the "team." If I lose my race b/c I'm racing a much faster truck, hopefully as it trickles down, I will have helped one on my side win a race later on against a slower truck. It's still very fun, and by the time you get to #8 vs. #8 or so, things are typically very even. If one side shows up with 40 really fast trucks, then they will walk away with it... and would have anyway.

The way it is now, the guys with the really fast trucks are not rewarded for showing up. No one wants to race them. On the flip side, the guys with the really fast trucks shouldn't be allowed to race/beat more than 1 opponent. Throwing the "ringer" out there to race the other side's fastest 3-4 trucks doesn't fly.

Just a suggestion. :)



Then Lightnings race each other to get their times, and Chevys race each other. You get your dial in times and stay in your appropriate lanes i.e. lanes 1 for Lightning 13.0+ Lane 2 for Silverados 13.0+, lane 3 L's 12.0-12.99 Lane 4 Chevy 12.0-12.99 and so on

I really think it is possible and having 5 months to plan will give more people the ability to take off work and make travel arrangements

With it being private we could get more involvment out of the track to make sure the right trucks are in the right lanes, so a 10sec truck doesn't run in the 14.0 group

[SS THiS]

Count me in!

[Ohmsby]

You know I think we can pull off a fairly large event and it was fun seeing that many trucks Lets look at the new track in Crandall?? Ennis track rental?? I think we could put two hundred trucks in the lot

[Chris94L]

At Ennis, unless the new track is open by then and we can get a better price there :tu:
Crandall track has a couple events scheduled this month, supposed to open this week or next.

[REDBLITZ]

That may be a good bargaining point. Tell Ennis the other track will give it to us for $1000. LOL.

[DamnYankee]

Last I talked to Sammy @ Crandall he wanted $7500 for track rental. :eek:

[WA 2 FST]

Last I talked to Sammy @ Crandall he wanted $7500 for track rental. :eek:

Wow! I know it looks nice, but sheesh...

How much is it to race there on a Friday night (per racer...Test N Tune)?

[99WhiteBeast]

Michael,

I'm telling you, the way the Buick GN vs. 5.0 Mustang Shootouts were done a decade ago work the best.

You can have "fun grudge" matches during breaks or after the event is over, but the best way to get the most participation is to let everyone run time-trials and then line up #1 vs. #1 - #20 vs. #20 (or however many the smallest group shows). The more trucks each side brings out, the better chance they have to win.

You get 2-3 time trials, and then you allow for .5 "breakout". It isn't a bracket race, its heads-up, but if anyone runs over .5 quicker than their best time-trial run, then they lose due to exhorbitant sandbagging. This way, someone couldn't run a 13.2 in order to race a slower truck, and then bust off an 11.8 and take an easy win.

You may have some "unfair" races at the beginning if one group has five low-10 sec trucks, and the other group only has two, and then the next three are mid-11 sec trucks. But it all evens out over 25-30 races.

It also adds some competition among your own group. If you have 30 Lightnings and 40 Chevy's, then the Chevy guys have to fight it out to see who is going to finish in the top 30.

Sure, this format takes a couple of organizers, but it is very fair, rewards participation, and doesn't allow for excuses. It also rewards the "team." If I lose my race b/c I'm racing a much faster truck, hopefully as it trickles down, I will have helped one on my side win a race later on against a slower truck. It's still very fun, and by the time you get to #8 vs. #8 or so, things are typically very even. If one side shows up with 40 really fast trucks, then they will walk away with it... and would have anyway.

The way it is now, the guys with the really fast trucks are not rewarded for showing up. No one wants to race them. On the flip side, the guys with the really fast trucks shouldn't be allowed to race/beat more than 1 opponent. Throwing the "ringer" out there to race the other side's fastest 3-4 trucks doesn't fly.

Just a suggestion. :)

That seems fair and a great way to really make it a team effort:tu:

[eddiesvt02]

Count me in, i voted for November bc in oct is too hot still, thats just my opinion but im up for any month.

[ThunderBolt]

I haven't voted yet.

I'm leaning more towards 1/8 mile. Many of us faster than average Lightnings will only get away with making one 1/4 mile pass before getting kicked off. I'm not sure if I'm ready to install a roll cage at this time.

[SS THiS]

Last I talked to Sammy @ Crandall he wanted $7500 for track rental. :eek:
What about SAR?? They are more lean on tech also right??

[ONROIDS]

i seen some talk of 1/8th mile i prefer 1/4 myself, and doesnt 1/4 mile favor the lightnings better anyways. its whatever though, im finishing the truck and parking it so not to break before this one.

[tiffo60]

I emailed Ennis this morning to check the rates. I'll let everyone know when I here back from them:tu:

[HARLEY/SC]

I voted for October because August and September are going to be way to hot
im down for october to.. So whos taking tha money. dont care how much it is just let me know n ill put it up front?!:tu:
Bet itll be as good as this one!

[tiffo60]

im down for october to.. So whos taking tha money. dont care how much it is just let me know n ill put it up front?!:tu:
Bet itll be as good as this one!

We discussed everyone making deposits into a paypal account, which I can setup, but there isnt any need to do this until we know the prices and everyone is in agreement on terms, times, ect. And once the deposits are made they are non-refundable unless the event is canceled all-together.

[HARLEY/SC]

Sounds good to me. just keep us posted so we can go ahead n do it? thanks for da info bro?

[ThunderBolt]

i seen some talk of 1/8th mile i prefer 1/4 myself, and doesnt 1/4 mile favor the lightnings better anyways. its whatever though, im finishing the truck and parking it so not to break before this one.

Not when you're faster than 11.49 and don't have a roll cage.

I suppose 1/8 mile races can be set-up at a 1/4 mile track for the faster guys.

[lenard_hester]

Man, after reading about the last one I am sorry I missed it. I would definitely be in next time.

[tiffo60]

Oct @ Ennis is out, she said the only thing available for rental is Aug 22nd and she is getting back to me with pricing. If we want to keep October and dont mind going somewhere else(San Antonio is the chevys pic) then the cheby boys are going to have to get pricing

[ZeusSVT]

Oct @ Ennis is out, she said the only thing available for rental is Aug 22nd and she is getting back to me with pricing. If we want to keep October and dont mind going somewhere else(San Antonio is the chevys pic) then the cheby boys are going to have to get pricing


August is going to be hot as all hell. :(

[tiffo60]

August is going to be hot as all hell. :(

Garranteed:rolleyes:

[BC Lightning]

Oct @ Ennis is out, she said the only thing available for rental is Aug 22nd and she is getting back to me with pricing. If we want to keep October and dont mind going somewhere else(San Antonio is the chevys pic) then the cheby boys are going to have to get pricing

Every month is out except August, maybe Nov or December??

[tiffo60]

Every month is out except August, maybe Nov or December??

yup....

[99WhiteBeast]

Somebody just needs to buy Hallsville and we'll make it the official track of Talon.

Some good times (literally) down there:tu::bows

[TXLIGHTNING]

Somebody just needs to buy Hallsville and we'll make it the official track of Talon.

Some good times (literally) down there:tu::bows Tell me about it man! Ive been waiting for Hallsville to open for years. For anyone interested http://www.speedwaybids.com/auction_details.php?auction_id=108182&option=auction_friend :evil

[Silver_2000]

Tell me about it man! Ive been waiting for Hallsville to open for years. For anyone interested http://www.speedwaybids.com/auction_details.php?auction_id=108182&option=auction_friend :evil

$5k an acre ?

Isnt that high for land in the middle of nowhere with no services to speak of ?

[TXLIGHTNING]

$5k an acre ?

Isnt that high for land in the middle of nowhere with no services to speak of ? Exactly Doug! That's why its still for sale. I wish they would split up the acreage and try to make a sale.

[Sandman]

Hm.. we have 197 active members... That means we could each contribute $2406 and we could have our own club track!
:burnout::burnout::burnout::burnout::burnout:

[In2deep]

Hm.. we have 197 active members... That means we could each contribute $2406 and we could have our own club track!
:burnout::burnout::burnout::burnout::burnout:


sweet

[slick-svt]

I'm 2k short right now.

[mustgofaster]

i'm 2k short right now.

+1

[REDBLITZ]

I'm still thinking that renting ennis is gonna be way too high. Did any one consider a smaller track inbetween like prairie hill or temple? The facilities are no where near as nice and the track prep isn't as good but it would still be the same for everybody. Then the fast guys wouldn't have to worry about cages and tech in and it could be had for a fraction of the cost. Our club looked into renting prairie hill a while back and I seem to remember it was somewhere near 1k.

[ThunderBolt]

It's definitely worth looking into.

[REDBLITZ]

I'll call p-hill and temple tomorrow just so we have something to go on and I'll report back.

[slick-svt]

How much to rent Kennedale......would the 1/8th be more fun....:tex

[duckysbht]

I dunno if ya'll are down for this, but San Antonio Raceway is pretty centrally located and was pretty cheap to rent out.

[tiffo60]

I dunno if ya'll are down for this, but San Antonio Raceway is pretty centrally located and was pretty cheap to rent out.

get prices and schedules and let us know:tu:

[BC Lightning]

I'll call p-hill and temple tomorrow just so we have something to go on and I'll report back.

I was cool having the stands right next to the track and trees around it at Temple, but last time we had the TALON fall classic we had waaaay too many problems with Temple. plus the track has humps going all the way down, nothing like a 11 or 10 sec truck bouncing up and down the track :nono:

[BC Lightning]

I dunno if ya'll are down for this, but San Antonio Raceway is pretty centrally located and was pretty cheap to rent out.

Sounds good to me :tu:

[duckysbht]

get prices and schedules and let us know:tu:

I'll try and get some information on it


I was cool having the stands right next to the track and trees around it at Temple, but last time we had the TALON fall classic we had waaaay too many problems with Temple. plus the track has humps going all the way down, nothing like a 11 or 10 sec truck bouncing up and down the track :nono:

Yeah I always hated that track. The end of the track comes to quickly, and they have a lake for a water box

[REDBLITZ]

I was cool having the stands right next to the track and trees around it at Temple, but last time we had the TALON fall classic we had waaaay too many problems with Temple. plus the track has humps going all the way down, nothing like a 11 or 10 sec truck bouncing up and down the track :nono:yeah, I was there. It's under new managment now too. I remember the issues we had with Linda. That evil wench. LOL.

[Sandman]

There's this place.

http://www.pinevalleyracing.com/

[99WhiteBeast]

There's this place.

http://www.pinevalleyracing.com/

Is this the same as the Rusk track? If not that's another option.

[REDBLITZ]

No. Rusk shut down around Christmas. It was Cherokee County Raceway. Same guy owns Pine Valley in Lufkin. It was an awesome track.

[Sandman]

The people that had rusk and the one north of Shreveport lost both. They now have this track in Dibol.

[BC Lightning]

If Ennis is out, my next vote is for San Antonio :tu:

[REDBLITZ]

I concur.

[lenard_hester]

Too bad Texas isn't in the same financial shape as California. We could probably just rent a section of freeway for cheap.

[TXLIGHTNING]

No way I would be able to make a San Antonio meet. I work 2 damn much!

[tiffo60]

No way I would be able to make a San Antonio meet. I work 2 damn much!

if its in October that should be enough lead time to get some time off?

[TXLIGHTNING]

if its in October that should be enough lead time to get some time off? Normally yes, but I leave for 2 weeks vacation in Nov.

[mustgofaster]

No way I would be able to make a San Antonio meet. I work 2 damn much!

+1... I'm in the same boat. I'll be using all of my vacation time before Oct.

[kirkmears]

did that new track open last month east of dallas?

[tiffo60]

did that new track open last month east of dallas?

I think it did and I heard some one say it was in the neighborhood of $7500 to rent it:eek:

[BC Lightning]

I think it did and I heard some one say it was in the neighborhood of $7500 to rent it:eek:

This confirmed??

[tiffo60]

This confirmed??

not by me, just rumor....

[Shiner1]

If Ennis is out, my next vote is for San Antonio :tu:


Chevy boys gonna cry again if some of us bring trailers???

[Aggie Mom]

There use to be a track in Paris, TX. It is an 1/8th mile track. Is it still open? I've been to it a few times many, many years ago but couldn't tell you anything about it now.

Paris Drag Strip
4369 U. S. Highway
82 East Paris, TX 75462
903-982-5358 (track)
903-785-0430 (office)
903-785-4434 (fax)

[richardekirby]

Yeah, I know the owners because I used to bracket raced there few years long ago. I went back there a couple of years ago and it had gone even more downhill and they are not very committed to running it. I took the L there to run a trophy street class and they cancelled because it rained for five minutes earlier in the day. When I pulled up to the gate, it was sunny and not a cloud in the sky the ground was not even wet. They also own a roundy round track and put most of their efforts into that.

I like the format submitted about #1 runs #1, #2 runs #2, ect. As for the track, I'm up for wherever we can find. Has anyone checked with Redline Raceway in Caddo Mills? It's only an 1/8th mile, but we may be limited.

[BC Lightning]

Anyone check into the new track In Crandall??

San Antonio Raceway??

I would personally rather race at a 1/4mile track

[ThunderBolt]

What about the guys that run low 11's/high 10's with no cage? There are quite a few of us that will be showing as we don't want to disappoint the bow-ties this time. :D

[toddwarren]

I hope all of the fast trucks on both side are ready to go this time!!

It seemed last time we had a bunch of trucks back out at the last minute.

Michael are you finally ready to go with the completely reconstructed L???

[DamnYankee]

Chevy boys gonna cry again if some of us bring trailers???

Nope - don't blame you a bit for trailering it. It sucks to break that far from home.

[DamnYankee]

Anyone check into the new track In Crandall??

San Antonio Raceway??

I would personally rather race at a 1/4mile track

Last I talked to them, track rental was $7000. It's a beautiful track though.

[smbony9]

what about the track in sanger or cedar creek there 1/8 th mile real cheap to rent san antionio is like 5 hours away that kind of far to drive what every one supposed to trailer there trucks there

[DamnYankee]

Too many want to run 1/4. 1/8th is over too quick :)

[SS THiS]

What about Lone Star Raceway in Sealy?? It's a 1/4 mile track. Tech ain't going to be bad there, also not that bad of a drive from SA!

[ThunderBolt]

What about Lone Star Raceway in Sealy?? It's a 1/4 mile track. Tech ain't going to be bad there, also not that bad of a drive from SA!

Good idea. Maybe Hennessey will work wit us?

[smbony9]

what with the sa talk why does everyone want to go down there ennis and crandall are much better tracks

[REDBLITZ]

Wow. This fizzled alot since I last posted. It's probably going to happen like last time. It was unorganized but it was still fun. Someone just set a time and place and let's do this!knana