9 or 10 row?

[kirkmears]

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/Doubler83/Supercharger/IMG_1376-1.jpg

is this line in the bottom right corner (heater hose?) easily replaced?
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/Doubler83/Supercharger/IMG_1372.jpg

thanks

[Sixpipes]

i c 9...easy when its not on the truck.

[kirkmears]

thanks Dennis...i was looking at it because i would like to go with a 10 row and +01 intake when i go to pull mine off. on the listing thread on LR, there were conflicting posts on whether it was a 9 or 10 row.

no wonder this deal was too good to be true. :icon_cry:

[Mark #2]

Okay I see 10 rows of fins with the 2 outer rows of supports under the manifold.

[Sixpipes]

Typically rows are only counted if they have fins on both sides because there is minimal cooling on the rows with fins on just one side. :cool:

[Mark #2]

Typically rows are only counted if they have fins on both sides because there is minimal cooling on the rows with fins on just one side. :cool:
Any pictures of a 9 row versus 10 row on a L?
I would like to know what I have as it was "upgraded to a 10 row" on the Ford recall, pretty sure it has 10 rows of fins.

[dboat]

Any pictures of a 9 row versus 10 row on a L?
I would like to know what I have as it was "upgraded to a 10 row" on the Ford recall, pretty sure it has 10 rows of fins.

just counted mine and I have 9

Dana

[Mark #2]

just counted mine and I have 9

Dana
Okay why is your blower off and you have a >2001 correct? So that makes no sense.

[dboat]

Okay why is your blower off and you have a >2001 correct? So that makes no sense.

2002.. I went back and found an old thread where Terry was cleaning my intercooler and counted them..

Dana

[Mark #2]

2002.. I went back and found an old thread where Terry was cleaning my intercooler and counted them..

Dana
Not possible you counted wrong. Post the picture.

[dboat]

http://www.talonclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8930

Dana

btw, watch the Monaco Grand Prix..

[Mark #2]

http://www.talonclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8930

Dana

btw, watch the Monaco Grand Prix..
Once again I count 10 fins:confused:

[Sixpipes]

10 rows of fins, but fins carry no fluid, so I am counting rows of coolant tubing. :cool:

My 99 intercooler... 9 coolant rows.

http://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/medium/8intercooler.JPG

[Mark #2]

10 rows of fins, but fins carry no fluid, so I am counting rows of coolant tubing. :cool:
I agree, but were is the picture of 11 rows of fins or 10 rows of coolant on a L?
Just asking for the definition of what is really a "10 row" on a L?

[Sixpipes]

Since 10 is more efficient than 9, I would expect my 99 to have 9 rows and some later year model to have 10 (if there is such a thing).

Ford press release comments on the 2001 model year...

"For 2001, the SVT Lightning's SOHC 5.4-litre supercharged Triton™ V8 engine develops 380 horsepower at 4,750 rpm, up 20 horsepower from the 2000 model. Torque output is increased by 10 pounds-feet, to 450 at 3,250 rpm.

The engineering team achieved these increases by enlarging the air inlet system for better engine breathing, improving intercooler efficiency and redesigning the lower intake manifold to improve air flow."

Same for 2002 Model year...

"The 5.4L supercharged engine achieves this power with better engine breathing, by improving intercooler efficiency, and a redesigned the lower intake manifold to improve air flow.""

No mention of this in either 2003 or 2004 model year so if there is such a thing as a 10 row intercooler, it probably happened in 2001 contributing to the announced gain of 20hp.

[Mark #2]

Since 10 is more efficient than 9, I would expect my 99 to have 9 rows and some later year model to have 10 (if there is such a thing).

There isn't by your definition to have 10 coolant lines with fins on both sides of the lines we would need 11, enough of this.:tu:

So I think the definition is the number of fins based on Dana's 2002.
10 fins=10 row in the L world.

[dboat]

Once again I count 10 fins:confused:

I was counting the tubing not fins.. so it would have 10 fins but I agree with Dennis that since fins dont carry fluid, I would go with the number of tubing that does carry fluid.

Dana

[dboat]

Since 10 is more efficient than 9, I would expect my 99 to have 9 rows and some later year model to have 10 (if there is such a thing).

Ford press release comments on the 2001 model year...

"For 2001, the SVT Lightning's SOHC 5.4-litre supercharged Triton™ V8 engine develops 380 horsepower at 4,750 rpm, up 20 horsepower from the 2000 model. Torque output is increased by 10 pounds-feet, to 450 at 3,250 rpm.

The engineering team achieved these increases by enlarging the air inlet system for better engine breathing, improving intercooler efficiency and redesigning the lower intake manifold to improve air flow."

Same for 2002 Model year...

"The 5.4L supercharged engine achieves this power with better engine breathing, by improving intercooler efficiency, and a redesigned the lower intake manifold to improve air flow.""

No mention of this in either 2003 or 2004 model year so if there is such a thing as a 10 row intercooler, it probably happened in 2001 contributing to the announced gain of 20hp.

maybe the intercooler improvement was when they put the better pump in after the recall.. :rolleyes:

Dana

[dboat]

There isn't by your definition to have 10 coolant lines with fins on both sides of the lines we would need 11, enough of this.:tu:

So I think the definition is the number of fins based on Dana's 2002.
10 fins=10 row in the L world.

I could live with that...

Dana

[Sixpipes]

The funny thing is, one row will not make a significant difference in cooling especially if the units have the same dimensions. The greatest impact on cooling the charge will have to do with the temp of the coolant, which Lightning guys have know forever. Also sounds like the Ford engineers did some redesigning to improve the efficiency of the air flow through the "improved" intercooler. I'm just prolonging this thread to drive The Kressler off the preverbial cliff. :D

[Mark #2]

The funny thing is, one row will not make a significant difference in cooling especially if the units have the same dimensions. The greatest impact on cooling the charge will have to do with the temp of the coolant, which Lightning guys have know forever. Also sounds like the Ford engineers did some redesigning to improve the efficiency of the air flow through the "improved" intercooler. I'm just prolonging this thread to drive The Kressler off the preverbial cliff. :D

Okay that's it I am pulling the blower off now to count my rows.:D

[L8 APEX]

The recall updated them all to the same core did it not? They reinforced the sides that were flexing and cracking under pressure.

[Sixpipes]

I have searched everywhere and can only find pics of the 9/10 (row/fin) configuration I posted above; which leads me to think the row/fin configuration is the same for all years. There was some redesigning of the support structure and tweaking of airflow, but I am convinced at this point that what you see is what you get. If you're thinking logically here, why would Ford go to the trouble of changing the tube/fin configuration if they were only going to add one more row? Minimal performance for the $$$. Still searching though.

[PUMP]

I have searched everywhere and can only find pics of the 9/10 (row/fin) configuration I posted above; which leads me to think the row/fin configuration is the same for all years. There was some redesigning of the support structure and tweaking of airflow, but I am convinced at this point that what you see is what you get. If you're thinking logically here, why would Ford go to the trouble of changing the tube/fin configuration if they were only going to add one more row? Minimal performance for the $$$. Still searching though.Your reasoning is certainly valid. Key factor on the air side is finned area & depth. If they added one more tube it would either decrease the finned area or increase the tube water velocity. Either one decreases the coil heat exchange efficiency.