Lowe's

[Sixpipes]

OK, so I guess companies in this country can no longer decide where they want to spend their advertising dollar without being held up to ridicule. Looks like I'll have to go down and sign up for a Lowe's charge card today. :cool:

[Moonshine]

Seems like now they're getting even more grief for pulling their sponsorship. Maybe they should have stuck to their original position and only pissed off one group. Now they've got both sides mad at them.

[Mark #2]

They pulled out of Jimmy Johnson's team because he didn't win 6 straight?
Haven't seen the announcement.:confused:

[Moonshine]

They pulled out of Jimmy Johnson's team because he didn't win 6 straight?
Haven't seen the announcement.:confused:

Not that sponsorship. They bought ad time on a Discovery channel show "All American Muslim".

[Mark #2]

Not that sponsorship. They bought ad time on a Discovery channel show "All American Muslim".
That will certainly hurt them in Richardson.;).

[Flats Man]

Hopefully this link works! http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=377253

[98Cobra]

Why did they pull the ad time originally?

[Moonshine]

People griped that Lowe's was supporting a show that only shows one side of Islam, neglecting to portray the side of Islam that wants to kill the infidels.

[98Cobra]

So I guess the question is, do you guys really think that some sizable percentage of Muslims want to kill us all? I don't. I think every religion has its zealots, and they unfortunately get a lot of TV time.

[Flats Man]

About two Christmas's ago, Best Buy, made no mention of
Christmas in its Holiday Brochure and yet they wish everyone a Happy Muslim Holiday! On their web site they said that they didn't want to offend anyone. I guess I don't count. I talked to the Store manager in Dallas and he wasn't even aware of it. I haven't bought anything from Best Buy in Two years. Last Christmas they wished everyone a Merry Christmas but that was too late for me.

[Moonshine]

So I guess the question is, do you guys really think that some sizable percentage of Muslims want to kill us all? I don't. I think every religion has its zealots, and they unfortunately get a lot of TV time.

Probably not a "sizable" percentage compared to total numbers of Muslims worldwide. More likely a pretty miniscule percentage. But I don't think it's a question of percentages. Every religion has its' zealots, but the Muslim zealots get a lot of TV time because they hijack ships, blow up Marine barracks, plant bombs in office buildings, slit the throats of airline stewardess', etc., etc. Most of the other religious zealots don't seem intent on killing everyone who doesn't share their faith. Or, if they are intent, they don't routinely act on those intentions. So, for me it's not the numbers, but rather the actions. If you happen to be the unlucky schmuck downrange of a nutball, it only takes one to nutball to really, really ruin your day.

[Flats Man]

So I guess the question is, do you guys really think that some sizable percentage of Muslims want to kill us all? I don't. I think every religion has its zealots, and they unfortunately get a lot of TV time.

I think there is a sizable attack on Christianity in this country. You can choose where you think it is coming from.

[dboat]

About two Christmas's ago, Best Buy, made no mention of
Christmas in its Holiday Brochure and yet they wish everyone a Happy Muslim Holiday! On their web site they said that they didn't want to offend anyone. I guess I don't count. I talked to the Store manager in Dallas and he wasn't even aware of it. I haven't bought anything from Best Buy in Two years. Last Christmas they wished everyone a Merry Christmas but that was too late for me.


I havent shopped or even looked at an ad for Best Buy in three years, but not because of the Christmas(or other religious) issue. I will say that my wife and I have become much more in tune with what retailers do in this regard and will go well out of our way to not buy from retailers that dont celebrate the season. Especially those that wont say Merry Christmas.

Dana

[98Cobra]

About two Christmas's ago, Best Buy, made no mention of
Christmas in its Holiday Brochure and yet they wish everyone a Happy Muslim Holiday! On their web site they said that they didn't want to offend anyone. I guess I don't count. I talked to the Store manager in Dallas and he wasn't even aware of it. I haven't bought anything from Best Buy in Two years. Last Christmas they wished everyone a Merry Christmas but that was too late for me.

He didn't know about it because it probably didn't run here. It was right above the Happy Thanksgiving language in a circular that only ran in certain markets, and the greeting was for a Muslim holiday that fell on the day after Thanksgiving that year. It was not in place of Merry Christmas or anything else.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/christmas/bestbuy2009.asp

But hey, don't let facts ruin your outrage. :)

[98Cobra]

Probably not a "sizable" percentage compared to total numbers of Muslims worldwide. More likely a pretty miniscule percentage. But I don't think it's a question of percentages. Every religion has its' zealots, but the Muslim zealots get a lot of TV time because they hijack ships, blow up Marine barracks, plant bombs in office buildings, slit the throats of airline stewardess', etc., etc. Most of the other religious zealots don't seem intent on killing everyone who doesn't share their faith. Or, if they are intent, they don't routinely act on those intentions. So, for me it's not the numbers, but rather the actions. If you happen to be the unlucky schmuck downrange of a nutball, it only takes one to nutball to really, really ruin your day.

All of those things are done by non-Muslim crazies too. Ask Norway. Ask the IRS office workers in Austin. Remember that crazy Muslim nutjob that bombed OKC? The Unabomber? The Atlanta Games bomber?

All crazy extremist people.

Back on topic, we are mad that a show is on the air that doesn't feature Muslims plotting to kill us all? Points for Jon Stewart - give it a watch, even if you don't like him.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-december-13-2011/kabulvision?xrs=share_copy

[Sixpipes]

A religion that condones the killing of another human being just because they don't have the same belief system is a disturbing thing. The Fort Hood massacre is a good example of a "nutball" who sought advice from a "holy" Islamic American-born advisor (who is now dead by the way) and we see the results. No amount of Muslim propaganda on "All American Muslim" or any other reality show will be able to overcome the damage the Muslim zealots create when they commit the atrocities that are just a matter of record.

Paranoia? Maybe...but if you happen to be the one affected, maybe not so much.

The link is to a list of so-called terrorist attacks carried out in 2011. Check out where most of these events are occurring and be very thankful that our nation is staying vigilent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2011

[98Cobra]

I am pretty sure most religions are OK with killing another human that is not of the same belief system. See: The Crusades.

I don't see the All American Muslim show as propaganda, other than that they mostly live the same boring lives a lot of people do.

The link is loooong, but pretty detailed. Unfortunately it doesn't state the religious affiliation of the perps, even when known (like Norway).

As far as being affected - we all are. Your friends and family members doing their 3rd tour overseas affects you. Having to be groped by a government employee to get on a plane affects you. Terrorism, no matter what cause it is done in the name of, affects everyone...

[Moonshine]

When a group of people who are pissed off at the IRS carry out hundreds of attacks over a period of decades, killing multiple thousands of innocents, then you can reasonably begin comparing them to Muslim radicals. Until then, your analogy of comparing individual nutballs of any flavor to a concerted effort by extremists from a single religion doesn't hold water.

Yes, the crusades condoned murder in the name of religion.......900 years ago. The Mayans did the same. But, outside Islam, can you name any currently practiced religion that unabashedly advocates slaughtering nonbelievers?

I could give a rat's ass about a TV show. If I don't like it I don't watch it, and any advertising dollars spent on it by anyone are wasted on me.

I have no doubt that the vast majority of Muslims don't have any desire to kill my family or yours. But there is a very active faction within their religion that very much wants to kill my family, yours, and any other infidel. To deny that is to deny reality. And since the more moderate forces within Islam have failed to muzzle their nutballs, it falls to us to defend ourselves. And if we can't always tell the good Muslims from the bad Muslims and in the process of defending ourselves we whack some good Muslims, well that's too farking bad in my book. They shoulda' cleaned their own house. Rant off.

[98Cobra]

When a group of people who are pissed off at the IRS carry out hundreds of attacks over a period of decades, killing multiple thousands of innocents, then you can reasonably begin comparing them to Muslim radicals. Until then, your analogy of comparing individual nutballs of any flavor to a concerted effort by extremists from a single religion doesn't hold water.

Yes, the crusades condoned murder in the name of religion.......900 years ago. The Mayans did the same. But, outside Islam, can you name any currently practiced religion that unabashedly advocates slaughtering nonbelievers?


Why does it matter how long ago the Crusades were? Christianity is still practiced. Holy wars (wars started in the name of and blessed by the church) tend to have a way of creating a long standing grudge, I think. These days everyone is past that way of thinking, except the nutballs.



I could give a rat's ass about a TV show. If I don't like it I don't watch it, and any advertising dollars spent on it by anyone are wasted on me.

+1000. Thats why I dont even get why this is a "story". So they have their own sad reality show on a network many people don't know exists. Big whoop.


And if we can't always tell the good Muslims from the bad Muslims and in the process of defending ourselves we whack some good Muslims, well that's too farking bad in my book. They shoulda' cleaned their own house. Rant off.

I mostly agree with this sentiment, although if the tables were turned, I wonder if we would be so understanding. (Sorry non-American hating father of 5 - your leaders were not good enough at giving up the extremists in your community so its not really our fault your entire family was wiped out by an errant Tomahawk.)

I am also going to go out on a limb and say that if the average Muslim in this world enjoyed the standard of living that most Americans take for granted, there wouldn't be so many of them out there. Kinda like when inner city kids join a gang, I think terrorist cells sometimes recruit in similar ways.

[Moonshine]

I mostly agree with this sentiment, although if the tables were turned, I wonder if we would be so understanding. (Sorry non-American hating father of 5 - your leaders were not good enough at giving up the extremists in your community so its not really our fault your entire family was wiped out by an errant Tomahawk.)




Not "your leaders didn't give up the extremists", you didn't give up your cousin whose burying IED's, and your family got caught in the crossfire when we swept through your village to take out the folks who keep blowing up kids. But I agree that very, very few (and we'd be no better) are willing to accept their culpability in that sort of cause and effect scenario.

[Moonshine]

I am also going to go out on a limb and say that if the average Muslim in this world enjoyed the standard of living that most Americans take for granted, there wouldn't be so many of them out there. Kinda like when inner city kids join a gang, I think terrorist cells sometimes recruit in similar ways.

I don't think you're on a limb at all. Take any group that's disadvantaged compared to their neighbors (irrespective of whether the disadvantage is self imposed), give them a charismatic leader who points the finger at some other group and cites that group as the reason for the disadvantage, and you've suddenly got an army more than willing to carry out all sorts of atrocities on the group that's "oppressing" them. Examples abound throughout history on every scale, from street gangs to Nazi Germany.

[Moonshine]

And clearly I'm ignorant of how to do the multi quote thing.

[Sixpipes]

I am pretty sure most religions are OK with killing another human that is not of the same belief system.

You've been watching too much Animal Planet. :cool:

[Flats Man]

He didn't know about it because it probably didn't run here. It was right above the Happy Thanksgiving language in a circular that only ran in certain markets, and the greeting was for a Muslim holiday that fell on the day after Thanksgiving that year. It was not in place of Merry Christmas or anything else.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/christmas/bestbuy2009.asp

But hey, don't let facts ruin your outrage. :)

Garret, WDYSTFU! Before you start talking about my facts, you should be able to know what you are talking about first. I pull the flyer from the store in Dallas and handed it to the manager in person

[98Cobra]

Garret, WDYSTFU! Before you start talking about my facts, you should be able to know what you are talking about first. I pull the flyer from the store in Dallas and handed it to the manager in person

I stand by my comment. It wasn't said in lieu of any other religious greeting. Don't know what else to tell ya...

Also, you asked a manager of a Best Buy anything other than where the restrooms are and wanted an informed answer? Yeesh :)

[98Cobra]

You've been watching too much Animal Planet. :cool:

I don't take cable for a reason. (TLC, Animal Planet, or other)

[98Cobra]

And clearly I'm ignorant of how to do the multi quote thing.

Its pretty easy. When you click quote, you will see my post in the reply window surrounded by "quote" and /quote, in brackets. Just move those (with brackets) to where you want. Multi quotes just mean a new set of quote and /quote. :tu:

[Moonshine]

Its pretty easy. When you click quote, you will see my post in the reply window surrounded by "quote" and /quote, in brackets.

Learn something


Just move those (with brackets) to where you want. Multi quotes just mean a new set of quote and /quote. :tu:

every day. :tongue:

[Silver_2000]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-december-13-2011/kabulvision?xrs=share_copy

Ok thats funny ...

[Silver_2000]

I'm pissed off at any religion that thinks their way is the only way.

Especially when they simultaneously preach love. Ok I love you if you believe like me, other wise you will go to hell. Got it ...

To me here is the difference.
Modern radical Jehova witnesses ride 10 speeds and deliver MORE watchtowers than the rest. Modern radical islamists blow us and each other up ... Im not a fan of EITHER radical but one bothers me a hell of a lot more than the other.

Political correctness is rampant and needs to be tempered by common sense.

Finally we need a president that isnt embarrassed by us and stops apologizing for us.


1. Apology to France and Europe ("America Has Shown Arrogance")
Speech by President Obama, Rhenus Sports Arena, Strasbourg, France, April 3, 2009.[1] (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/06/barack-obamas-top-10-apologies-how-the-president-has-humiliated-a-superpower#_ftn1)

So we must be honest with ourselves. In recent years we've allowed our Alliance to drift. I know that there have been honest disagreements over policy, but we also know that there's something more that has crept into our relationship. In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.
2. Apology to the Muslim World ("We Have Not Been Perfect")
President Obama, interview with Al Arabiya, January 27, 2009.[2] (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/06/barack-obamas-top-10-apologies-how-the-president-has-humiliated-a-superpower#_ftn2)

My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy. We sometimes make mistakes. We have not been perfect. But if you look at the track record, as you say, America was not born as a colonial power, and that the same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago, there's no reason why we can't restore that.