Race Fuel Discussion - Split

[tliss]

I'm still unsure if I'll be able to make it. Still trying to figure out the weekend.

Ron, what kind of race gas do you have in that barrel of yours? If it's 105 octane unleaded or better, would you be willing to beat the price that Ennis charges and sell me about 5 gallons, if I can make it? If I go, I would like to run on my race programs and try not to break anything, while at the same time not having to pay a buttload of $$ for race gas. What do you say, homie?

Tom

[03LightningRocks]

I'm still unsure if I'll be able to make it. Still trying to figure out the weekend.

Ron, what kind of race gas do you have in that barrel of yours? If it's 105 octane unleaded or better, would you be willing to beat the price that Ennis charges and sell me about 5 gallons, if I can make it? If I go, I would like to run on my race programs and try not to break anything, while at the same time not having to pay a buttload of $$ for race gas. What do you say, homie?

Tom
Hey Tom,

I don't know what Ennis is charging, but it should be about the same or close to what I would pay. The problem we all have right now, is the increasing fuel costs. I paid about 260 bucks for a 55 gallon barrel of 104 just over 2 months ago. They now are asking 380 bucks for the same barrel of 104. I may have to run a less aggressive tune so I can avoid using race fuel.

Something else I might mention...not to take away from the illusion or mystical powers of race fuel, but 99 percent of ya'll don't need it for the tunes your running. Now I am sure Doug or some other contrarian will jump in here and tell me I am wrong....but who cares.....I am right and I know it.

Oh I forgot to answer your question....LOL.....I am about out, in that barrel of mine:( , and don't see as how I can justify or afford buying more until fuel prices go back down.

Rocks:tu:

[bobbywade69]

I"m going to chime in just for the hell of it!!:d I know when I don't run race gas on my race side of the chip it pings really BAD, almost all the way down the track and when I through some 100-105 in there see quites all up!!:evil Just thought I would mess with ya Ron!:tu:

[03LightningRocks]

I"m going to chime in just for the hell of it!!:d I know when I don't run race gas on my race side of the chip it pings really BAD, almost all the way down the track and when I through some 100-105 in there see quites all up!!:evil Just thought I would mess with ya Ron!:tu:

LOL...mess away........So tell me, what timing are you running at WOT, on your "race tune"?

[tliss]

Hey Tom,

I don't know what Ennis is charging, but it should be about the same or close to what I would pay. The problem we all have right now, is the increasing fuel costs. I paid about 260 bucks for a 55 gallon barrel of 104 just over 2 months ago. They now are asking 380 bucks for the same barrel of 104. I may have to run a less aggressive tune so I can avoid using race fuel.

Something else I might mention...not to take away from the illusion or mystical powers of race fuel, but 99 percent of ya'll don't need it for the tunes your running. Now I am sure Doug or some other contrarian will jump in here and tell me I am wrong....but who cares.....I am right and I know it.


Rocks:tu:
The 26 degrees of timing I have on one of my programs scares me into using race fuel :eek2: . I'm not going to risk it.

That would be about $4.73/gal. I think Ennis is around $6 or so/gal. If you would like to donate to the cause let me know and I'll confirm my attendance when I know for sure.

Tom

[bobbywade69]

LOL...mess away........So tell me, what timing are you running at WOT, on your "race tune"?I couldn't tell u never check Terry got me the tune he might know but I do know its the hotest tune I could get for her!knana :evil I would like to find out one day how much timing I was running, but one thing I know she pings no matter how hot it is outside! Without race gas!

[scott015]

well i just got my PSP flip chip back yesterday... was kinda wanting to try out the race side (sal did say dont run under 100 octaine).... but i got an honest answer (although ron will flame me.... lol)

when putting in race gas, do I want to be basically EMPTY tank of regular gas?? or do I try and mix it??? if so, how much pump gas should be in there and how much race gas do I put in....

do ya try and save weight and just put in like 1 gallon at a time or what??

[03LightningRocks]

The 26 degrees of timing I have on one of my programs scares me into using race fuel :eek2: . I'm not going to risk it.



Tom

Sorry Tom.......you get the flag on this onehttp://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/226bsflag.gif. 26 degrees of timing is rediculous. Who tuned your chip? And did you actually see this timing number yourself.


Rocks

[bobbywade69]

well i just got my PSP flip chip back yesterday... was kinda wanting to try out the race side (sal did say dont run under 100 octaine).... but i got an honest answer (although ron will flame me.... lol)


when putting in race gas, do I want to be basically EMPTY tank of regular gas?? or do I try and mix it??? if so, how much pump gas should be in there and how much race gas do I put in....

do ya try and save weight and just put in like 1 gallon at a time or what??
What works for me is usually I try to have under a 1/4 of a tank of pump gas and usually throw in about 3-4 gallons of 100 or more in with the pump that usually works good!:tu:

[03LightningRocks]

The one thing I will point out here....I have watched you guys buy..."100" octane at the track. I have yet to see anyone buy enough "100" octane to bring the rating of the entire tank of gas up to 100 octane....think about it.


Rocks

[tliss]

well i just got my PSP flip chip back yesterday... was kinda wanting to try out the race side (sal did say dont run under 100 octaine).... but i got an honest answer (although ron will flame me.... lol)

when putting in race gas, do I want to be basically EMPTY tank of regular gas?? or do I try and mix it??? if so, how much pump gas should be in there and how much race gas do I put in....

do ya try and save weight and just put in like 1 gallon at a time or what??
One gallon will be too little. It will move backward in the tank upon launch and you will starve your motor of fuel. If you have a seperate fuel cell that might work, but not many of us have the seperate fuel cell for racing. I would say about 8 gallons will work.

My suggestion is roll in there with about 1/8 of a tank and drop about 5 gallons of race fuel on top of it. You will have about 3 gallons of 93 octane upon rolling in, and dropping the 5 of race fuel will bring up the octane rating. I don't know all the chemistry of it, but you'll probably come out OK.

If someone disagrees with me, speak now.

Tom

[tliss]

The one thing I will point out here....I have watched you guys buy..."100" octane at the track. I have yet to see anyone buy enough "100" octane to bring the rating of the entire tank of gas up to 100 octane....think about it.


Rocks
What octane does Ennis sell? If it's 100, forget it...I'll go to Speedworks and get 105 @$6.50/gal :eek2: . I need near 103 octane in the tank for my programs.

Tom

[bobbywade69]

I agree with ya Masta Tom:bows :bows I want to find out how much timing I am runing on the race side can u do that for me Ron?

[03LightningRocks]

What works for me is usually I try to have under a 1/4 of a tank of pump gas and usually throw in about 3-4 gallons of 100 or more in with the pump that usually works good!:tu:

That would give you about 96 octane....maybe....that is if the actual octane rating of the fuel is 100. Some of the tracks are selling 99 octane and selling it as 100.

This one will get y'all.....some of the tracks are selling 101 and calling it 104.


Rocks

[03LightningRocks]

What octane does Ennis sell? If it's 100, forget it...I'll go to Speedworks and get 105 @$6.50/gal :eek2: . I need near 103 octane in the tank for my programs.

Tom

Tom....find out what brand it is....Speedworks was one of the Clown Asses selling 101 as 104



Rocks

[scott015]

thanks guys, ill try to get to ennis with my gas light on... then fill up with about 5 gallons of race gas... that sounds like it might work....

as for my timing, Sal said my street side has 16' timing.... i just emailed him to check for my race side... not sure what he set that at....

[03LightningRocks]

One gallon will be too little. It will move backward in the tank upon launch and you will starve your motor of fuel. If you have a seperate fuel cell that might work, but not many of us have the seperate fuel cell for racing. I would say about 8 gallons will work.

My suggestion is roll in there with about 1/8 of a tank and drop about 5 gallons of race fuel on top of it. You will have about 3 gallons of 93 octane upon rolling in, and dropping the 5 of race fuel will bring up the octane rating. I don't know all the chemistry of it, but you'll probably come out OK.

If someone disagrees with me, speak now.

Tom

That gives you 97 octane........:beer: . Now did Sal say to run 100 octane....or 97?

[tliss]

Tom....find out what brand it is....Speedworks was one of the Clown Asses selling 101 as 104



Rocks
Well that sux. What a bunch of freaking bastards. If I blow an engine because of their race gas not being up to par, can I sue their sorry asses? I for sure wouldn't want them to fix it.

Since Keith Craft is closer to me anyway, I'll check what they carry and the price.

Tom

[scott015]

ok, then ill run out on 287 and push it up into the parking lot and fill her up with 100 octaine.... lol

[tliss]

That gives you 97 octane........:beer: . Now did Sal say to run 100 octane....or 97?
OK, what's the formula??? I surrender, oh great octane god!! :bows

Tom

[03LightningRocks]

thanks guys, ill try to get to ennis with my gas light on... then fill up with about 5 gallons of race gas... that sounds like it might work....

as for my timing, Sal said my street side has 16' timing.... i just emailed him to check for my race side... not sure what he set that at....
Let us know what timing he said he put the race side at. Heck...maybe the tuners have gotten more agressive with they're tunes....I am surprised to hear he set it at 16.

If he did the usual add of 3 degrees for your race side...he is running it at around 19. That is about the right timing for 97 octane.



I may end up wishing I had not started this all.....LOL.


Rocks:beer:

[scott015]

i got another silly question.... i know weight is a bad thing when going fast.... but i was thinking.... should I remove my spare tire? i know it prolly weighs about 35lbs or so... and it probably wont make a noticable differnce... but the lighter the better right??? my only concern is i dont have slicks and dont have a bed cover to weigh the back down.... so im relying on my f1s and traction bars for all my traction.... thought maybe the extra weight might actually be to my benefit.... thoughts?

[03LightningRocks]

OK, what's the formula??? I surrender, oh great octane god!! :bows

Tom

LOL.....now I may start to like the "god" title....:rll: .


Figuring the octane is easy..... if you have 4 gallons of 93...that equals 372. Now if you add 5 gallons of 100...that equals 500. 372+500=872. 872/9=96.8888889.


Rocks

[03LightningRocks]

i got another silly question.... i know weight is a bad thing when going fast.... but i was thinking.... should I remove my spare tire? i know it prolly weighs about 35lbs or so... and it probably wont make a noticable differnce... but the lighter the better right??? my only concern is i dont have slicks and dont have a bed cover to weigh the back down.... so im relying on my f1s and traction bars for all my traction.... thought maybe the extra weight might actually be to my benefit.... thoughts?

Stay on topic Scott:mad: .....we are learning about octane today....:D .

[scott015]

me :throw: ron

[tliss]

I figured. Oh octane god, tell me about TrackTech racing fuel. Keith Craft has "105" TrackTech for $6.50/gal.

Tom

[Shiner1]

Here is a decent forumla for raising octane levels.

93 (current octane level) X # of gallons in tank + 104 X # of gallons added divided by total # of gallons in tank after adding.

93 X 5 (gallons in tank) + 104 X 5 (gallons added to tank) divided by 10 = appox. rating of 98.5 in the tank.

Assuming that you are adding 104 octane not 101.

Using this formula it would take appox. 10 gallons of true 104 to raise your octane level of fuel in the tank to 100. This is assuming that you start with 5 gallons of 93 in the tank.

[tliss]

This thread went to hell in a handbasket! Wasn't this about some race event this weekend....or something?:confused:

Tom

[Shiner1]

LOL.....now I may start to like the "god" title....:rll: .


Figuring the octane is easy..... if you have 4 gallons of 93...that equals 372. Now if you add 5 gallons of 100...that equals 500. 372+500=872. 872/9=96.8888889.


Rocks
I was a little slow with my posting....:bows

[03LightningRocks]

This thread went to hell in a handbasket! Wasn't this about some race event this weekend....or something?:confused:

Tom

Now it is about timing and octane...LOL.

[03LightningRocks]

Here is a decent forumla for raising octane levels.

93 (current octane level) X # of gallons in tank + 104 X # of gallons added divided by total # of gallons in tank after adding.

93 X 5 (gallons in tank) + 104 X 5 (gallons added to tank) divided by 10 = appox. rating of 98.5 in the tank.

Assuming that you are adding 104 octane not 101.

Using this formula it would take appox. 10 gallons of true 104 to raise your octane level of fuel in the tank to 100. This is assuming that you start with 5 gallons of 93 in the tank.
Your illustration, beautifully, points out just how expensive it would be to get 100 octane in the tank. :tu: That's the reason I feel most guys are not even close to running 100 octane. I have yet to see anyone but me dump 10 gallons of race fuel in there tank.

I like your last sentence about what the rating really is...have you been looking at the spec sheets on the different fuel brands?

[03LightningRocks]

Tom,


How I found out about this was I got porked on a barrel of fuel. The people I bought it from told me it was 104. When it arrived, the brand name was Tech101. I got suspicious and looked it up on the net. I will post a couple links to the 2 most used fuels in this area.
Give me a minute to find them

[03LightningRocks]

Here is the most popular around here http://www.alphaolefins.info/fuels/products/racingfuels.aspNotice that there is a research rating....a motor rating...and a pump rating. The pump rating is the number we are after. The research rating is the way they are justifying porking you. Also notice the colors of the fuels. I don't remember ever seeing Gold fuel coming from the tracks. I checked the prices and the true 105 was about 8 bucks a gallon buying it by the barrel. Imagine what it would cost at the track....10?

The guys at the track are assuming we are asking for something we don't need or even don't know about. They figure our "street" driven trucks don't need 105 anyway. So in short...they assume we are dumb asses...LOL..and are buying it because we think we will go faster.

Rocks


I will find the other and post it.

[03LightningRocks]

Here is one that is showing up alot lately because it is cheap


http://www.quickeret.com/_wsn/page3.html


The problem I found with these ass holes...is that they will say...yeah 104...yah that's the stuff. Then you find out it is leaded. I spent 3 long days trying to get some data sheets on SuperiorRace fuel and came up with nada. They seem to only offer 100 octane in unleaded.

[03LightningRocks]

Here is the one I am using for now http://www.racegas.com/Again...notice the colors. For some darned reason...the color is not always the same for different brands.

This was the best price I found on fuel the last time I checked.

Gaven told me it was sh!t fuel for some reason. So far I haven't had a problem with it...Maybe Gavin will share his experiences with it. I am watching it close though...since he was nice enough to share the warning with me.

[03'svtlight]

Well that sux. What a bunch of freaking bastards. If I blow an engine because of their race gas not being up to par, can I sue their sorry asses? I for sure wouldn't want them to fix it.

Since Keith Craft is closer to me anyway, I'll check what they carry and the price.

Tom
Tom, I've got a predator and it will tell EXACTLY how much timing is @WOT. You are more than welcome to plug it up and check it.

[03LightningRocks]

Now to clear up what I was driving at earlier by you may not need 100 octane.


The tuners don't want you to blow your sh!t up!!!!! So when you say...give me a race side...they simply add about 3 degrees of timing to your street side. Some of them may even richen your fuel a bit.

My street side was hitting about 17 degrees at WOT. I may have just been lucky enough not to detonate...I dunno...but it ran great at WOT on the coldest of days with no detonation.

My race side pegged at 23 degrees. This side would rattle the engine apart on less than a true 100 octane in the tank. They originally had set it a 21 because they did not think I would get true 100 octane in the tank...as most fellows don't due to the factors I posted above. You may think you did, but some ass wipe tricked you with the octane rating of the fuel you bought.


Tuners know this will happen....so they build a CYA into the program. It is good it is there. My point was that...you can simply run your street side and have no problems. Some guys can even run they're race side with no problems depending on what the timing is on the race side...but the number would have to be checked to know what that really is.

If your tuner said run 100 octane...ya better do it...I should not have even thought about starting this crap up...LOL.

I will say that I have run as high as 19 degrees of timing without detonating. It doesn't mean you won't detonate....so maybe I will shut up now:D


Rocks:beer:

[03'svtlight]

Now to clear up what I was driving at earlier by you may not need 100 octane.


The tuners don't want you to blow your sh!t up!!!!! So when you say...give me a race side...they simply add about 3 degrees of timing to your street side. Some of them may even richen your fuel a bit.

My street side was hitting about 17 degrees at WOT. I may have just been lucky enough not to detonate...I dunno...but it ran great at WOT on the coldest of days with no detonation.

My race side pegged at 23 degrees. This side would rattle the engine apart on less than a true 100 octane in the tank. They originally had set it a 21 because they did not think I would get true 100 octane in the tank...as most fellows don't due to the factors I posted above. You may think you did, but some ass wipe tricked you with the octane rating of the fuel you bought.


Tuners know this will happen....so they build a CYA into the program. It is good it is there. My point was that...you can simply run your street side and have no problems. Some guys can even run they're race side with no problems depending on what the timing is on the race side...but the number would have to be checked to know what that really is.

If your tuner said run 100 octane...ya better do it...I should not have even thought about starting this crap up...LOL.

I will say that I have run as high as 19 degrees of timing without detonating. It doesn't mean you won't detonate....so maybe I will shut up now:D


Rocks:beer:
This is SO true!!!! My program is set @17deg WOT. On the dyno I turned it up to 19deg. and no detonation that I could hear and I was at the front of the truck listening for it. I know a dyno pull is a short burst and the incoming air on the track wasn't simulated but, it did let me know it was ok to the point if I needed a safety-net, a few gallons of race gas would do it. GREAT stuff Rocks! :nana2

[03LightningRocks]

I figured. Oh octane god, tell me about TrackTech racing fuel. Keith Craft has "105" TrackTech for $6.50/gal.


Tom

Geeze....so many posts hit the thread so fast, I missed several of them.

Ask them the actual name of it.....is it TT105....or is it TT101? If it is TT105, that is a fair price for it. The "TrackTech" is one of the links I posted.


By the way.....I don't know that you saw my edit on the request for fuel. I am about out and can't afford to buy more. I have about 10 gallons left and I need that for tuning my truck next week.


Rocks:beer:

[tliss]

Geeze....so many posts hit the thread so fast, I missed several of them.

Ask them the actual name of it.....is it TT105....or is it TT101? If it is TT105, that is a fair price for it. The "TrackTech" is one of the links I posted.


By the way.....I don't know that you saw my edit on the request for fuel. I am about out and can't afford to buy more. I have about 10 gallons left and I need that for tuning my truck next week.

Rocks:beer:
They are telling me TT105.

Yeah I did. You damn gas grubbing bastage...:evil

Tom

[03LightningRocks]

Tom.......I have tried to call Keith Craft....I can't get them on the darned phone. Did you find out if that price was for TT101 or TT105????


That isn't a bad price for the TT105....I am going to try to see what they would sell me a barrel of it for if that is actually TT105.


Rocks

[03LightningRocks]

They are telling me TT105.

Yeah I did. You damn gas grubbing bastage...:evil

Tom
Never mind...I already got in touch with them. They don't handle enough volume to sell it by the barrel......They put me in touch with someone I already know about:hammer:


Rocks

[Shiner1]

Rocks

To answer your question...I first noticed the 101/104 difference a few weeks ago when I was at Denton. I wanted 5 gal. of 105, and the fuel dude starts measuring out 5 gallons out of the drum and into a jug with the hand pump. As he is doing this I'm reading on the side of the drum, it says "101". I question him about it and he says....uh, uh, uh, oops I guess I got the wrong drum. So he starts to measure out of another drum. (couldn't see the sticker on that one) Honest mistake?...I don't know. There was a long line and I didn't want to cause a scene. However, the prices posted on the wall start a 104=6.50 per gallon, not 101. I have never tried to raise my oct. to 100. I throw in 5 gallons to bump it up just a little above stock. My juice system seems to like it that way... I'm generaly around 96 or so.

[03LightningRocks]

That would have ticked me off. The problem goes back to these guys thinking we don't need it anyway, so they are just making a buck catering to our fantasy. The truth is...some guys do need it and they need more of it than they are buying. It just depends on the timing you have. Another dip sh!t thing you have to watch for, they love toi sell you leaded gas. This stuff really has to be watched by everyone. It sounds like you have a handle on it. I think most of it comes from the lack of respect some of these fellows have for those of us driving street rides.

Rocks:beer:


Rocks

To answer your question...I first noticed the 101/104 difference a few weeks ago when I was at Denton. I wanted 5 gal. of 105, and the fuel dude starts measuring out 5 gallons out of the drum and into a jug with the hand pump. As he is doing this I'm reading on the side of the drum, it says "101". I question him about it and he says....uh, uh, uh, oops I guess I got the wrong drum. So he starts to measure out of another drum. (couldn't see the sticker on that one) Honest mistake?...I don't know. There was a long line and I didn't want to cause a scene. However, the prices posted on the wall start a 104=6.50 per gallon, not 101. I have never tried to raise my oct. to 100. I throw in 5 gallons to bump it up just a little above stock. My juice system seems to like it that way... I'm generaly around 96 or so.

[03LightningRocks]

One last thing to share on why this is happening. I can buy a barrel (54 gallons) of the TT101 for 240 bucks. The research rating on it is like 105. This is a bullsh!t number. Pump rating on it is 101. The TT105 is 375 bucks a barrel. It is a true pump rating of 105. The a-holes at the tracks....Redline is bad about this....figure, what the heck, you don't need that extra 4 octane....and they are concerned that you wouldn't pay the higher price to get it anyway.

It is no accident....it is about the dollars per gallon and profit margins.


Rocks:tu:

[tliss]

One last thing to share on why this is happening. I can buy a barrel (54 gallons) of the TT101 for 240 bucks. The research rating on it is like 105. This is a bullsh!t number. Pump rating on it is 101. The TT105 is 375 bucks a barrel. It is a true pump rating of 105. The a-holes at the tracks....Redline is bad about this....figure, what the heck, you don't need that extra 3 octane....and they are concerned that you wouldn't pay the higher price to get it anyway.

It is no accident....it is about the dollars per gallon and profit margins.


Rocks:tu:
I'll double check with Keith Craft before I buy that is is TT105. I'm heading there in 5.

Tom

[03LightningRocks]

I'll double check with Keith Craft before I buy that is is TT105. I'm heading there in 5.

Tom

Cool....let us know if ya don't mind. At 6.50 a gallon....they are selling it for less than the barrel price:eek2: .


Rocks

[Shiner1]

Rocks,

If the fuel has a blue tint, what is the octane rating?

[03LightningRocks]

Rocks,

If the fuel has a blue tint, what is the octane rating?It depends on the brand. I posted links to the 3 main fuels we see around here in the posts preceding this one. If it's TracTech...also known as Cheveron....TT101 is purple.
The Sunoco I am using right now is Blue, but it is 105 octane. Check out those 3 links and it will be hard for them to jerk you around in the future.

[03LightningRocks]

Oh crap....I just checked the sight. Blue is the TT111.....how did your truck like the leaded gas. See what I mean....those guys need someone to kick them in the ass.

[03LightningRocks]

Here is the link


http://www.alphaolefins.info/fuels/products/racingfuels.asp

[L1nt2B]

Ron! You :postwhore :0fftopic are you "F"ing through yet? Are we "F"ing hooking up at the chevron or not?...SHITT!

[03LightningRocks]

Ron! You :postwhore :0fftopic are you "F"ing through yet? Are we "F"ing hooking up at the chevron or not?...SHITT!

Only if nobody else brings up fuel....LOL.....This stuff is on topic with racing....:d .


Rocks:evil

[03LightningRocks]

Maybe we can talk Tom into seperating out all the octane posts into a thread of it's own......your just mad because we can play around on the internet all day and you have to work:rolleyes:




Rocks:beer:

[L1nt2B]

true

[tliss]

OK I tried to split the thread. I hope I didn't just donkey punch it all to hell and screw up two perfectly good threads. Anyway, I hope it works.

Tom

[bobbywade69]

I found out the chip is adding about 19 degrees timing on the race side on top of what the computer is adding!:d

[03'svtlight]

I found out the chip is adding about 19 degrees timing on the race side on top of what the computer is adding!:d
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Frank02L]

Just thought I would add that REAL RACE gas isnt unleaded.

That is all, have a good day...


Becoming a C16 burner, man that stuff is Grrrrrrrrr- ATE. Ok, so mostly I just use 110 or C12 :)

I dont necessarily look at it because I NEED it (Although it does ping with 93 and ~100 mixture), its for a safety margin that I know I need every inch of, and Ron's not too far behind me :D

[03LightningRocks]

and Ron's not too far behind me :D

Don't blink Frank....you'll be looking at tail lights:evil .



Rocks:nana2

[03LightningRocks]

I found out the chip is adding about 19 degrees timing on the race side on top of what the computer is adding!:d

What you are saying makes no sense.....:beer: . How did you find this out???

What you may be trying to state is that your race side is set for 19 degrees of timing at WOT.


Rocks:twitch:

[Silver_2000]

I thought Speedworks sold Sunoco Race gas - The barrels I bought gas out of said sunoco on the side.....

If you are taking about the Gas vendors at the track they are selling what you want to buy.. if the research octane is 105 then its 105 - The signs dont say R+m/2 like the pumps do...

Also they think anyone needing unleaded is an assclown and is wasting thier time...

I havent had a chip that "required" race gas in a long time - I often put 20 bucks worth in as a safety margin since with the headers and helmet on I may not be able to hear detonation. On my truck when the low fuel light is on I have 3 or so gallons left. But I usually have n 1/8 tank or so at the track. So 5 gallons of 93 plus 5 of 104 = 465 + 520= 985 / 10 = approx 98.5 octane

Nice job splittting the thread Tom...:tu:

[03LightningRocks]

I thought Speedworks sold Sunoco Race gas - The barrels I bought gas out of said sunoco on the side.....

If you are taking about the Gas vendors at the track they are selling what you want to buy.. if the research octane is 105 then its 105 - The signs dont say R+m/2 like the pumps do...

Also they think anyone needing unleaded is an assclown and is wasting thier time...

I havent had a chip that "required" race gas in a long time - I often put 20 bucks worth in as a safety margin since with the headers and helmet on I may not be able to hear detonation. On my truck when the low fuel light is on I have 3 or so gallons left. But I usually have n 1/8 tank or so at the track. So 5 gallons of 93 plus 5 of 104 = 465 + 520= 985 / 10 = approx 98.5 octane

Nice job splittting the thread Tom...:tu:

Thanks for the info Doug. The last time I checked with Speedworks,(about 2 months ago), they told me on the phone that they had TracTeck(cheveron)TT101. They called it 104.....which caused me to put them on my personal list of AssClowns. I guess I will have to check again. Maybe they will be pulled off and you will move back to the number one spot:D ....J/K...:rll: .

You are very correct on the unleaded deal. I run into the same crap trying to buy it by the barrel. I have had more than one place say they had 105, only to balk when I say I need unleaded...:mad: .

There is nothing wrong with a little, insurance, on detonation....I suppose I was really trying to point out that it is not an instant power adder...LOL.

Thanks Again....I will check back with Speedworks to make sure I didn't get some bum info.

Rocks:beer:

[Silver_2000]

Thanks Again....I will check back with Speedworks to make sure I didn't get some bum info.

Rocks:beer:
They may have changed - but I remeber getting sunoco race fuels sticker from them a year or so ago after buying race fuel ..

[Band]

I just got back from Speedworks. Because of this thread I asked them about their race fuel..

They sale Phillips now... 105=$300/barrel
They CAN still get the sunoco but they say phillips is better
Sunoco... 104=$200/barrel

[TP Derrick D]

You guys should just cut the drama and buy the fuel at the track. They had all the way up to 116 last time I raced my Stang there. I mixed 5 gallons of 112 with the 93 in the tank and all was well. :cool:

[Band]

But that's leaded gas...

[tliss]

But that's leaded gas...
Ima afraid o' leaded gas in my truck....105 unleaded will be my limit. At least I know what I'm getting if I bring my own....race fuel at Ennis is like a box o' chocolates...you never know what you're gonna to get. I'd rather have the right stuff than go to the track and find out they don't have what I need, but claim to.

Tom

[03LightningRocks]

You guys should just cut the drama and buy the fuel at the track. They had all the way up to 116 last time I raced my Stang there. I mixed 5 gallons of 112 with the 93 in the tank and all was well. :cool:

I don't consider it "drama", but then again I do race alot, so the fuel I use is important to me. It is called being educated on what your putting in your truck.


Never put Leaded fuel in your truck....that is if you like your o2 sensors working.


Rocks:tu:

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I don't consider it "drama", but then again I do race alot, so the fuel I use is important to me. It is called being educated on what your putting in your truck.


Never put Leaded fuel in your truck....that is if you like your o2 sensors working.


Rocks:tu:
And your cats flowing correctly

[03LightningRocks]

I just got back from Speedworks. Because of this thread I asked them about their race fuel..

They sale Phillips now... 105=$300/barrel
They CAN still get the sunoco but they say phillips is better
Sunoco... 104=$200/barrel
Hey Sayle,

The Phillips is Chevron.....Chevron/Phillips to be exact. They said 105 for 300 bucks? That is good unless the game is the same old crap about them calling it by the research rating....which again...is B.S.. The only way to avoid being ripped off is to get specific about the actual name of the fuel. TT105 is the name of true 105 octane.... If they are selling the TT101 for 300 bucks and calling it 105 octane because of the research rating....that is a rip off for 300 bucks. I can buy the TT101 all day long for 220 a barrel.

I'll call them Monday and see what is what......

Just to help with the confusion.......we are all accustomed to seeing the pump rating when we get gas at the pump....this is also the anti-knock rating....which is the proper number to be concerned with. It appears when buying race gas....we are dealing with dumb hill billy mo fo's that have decided to use the research rating in an effort to "bilk" you out of your cash. Don't let them get away with it.

Rocks

[03LightningRocks]

And your cats flowing correctly

Aman to that one too.....:tu:

[03LightningRocks]

Here....for those that do not want to go to the links I posted. The following are the two most prevailant fuels for our area.


Ask for the fuel by brand name, not octane level.....then actually look at the barrel it is coming out of for the label. They all have a label.

Sunoco:

GT100 unleaded Color=clear Research Octane=105 Motor Octane= 95 Antiknock index number(pump octane) what your tuner is refering to= 100

Price per barrel (54 gallons)= 185 bucks

GTPlus unleaded Color=Light Blue RON=109 MON=99 Pump Rating=104

Price per barrel (54 gallons)= 225 bucks





Chevron/Phillips: TracTech

TT100 unleaded Color=Clear RON=104 MON=97 Pump Rating=100

Price Per Barrel(54 gallons)=220 bucks


TT101 unleaded Color=Purple RON=106 MON=96 Pump Rating=101

Price Per Barrel(54 gallons)= 260 bucks


TT105 unleaded Color=yellow/gold RON=110 MON=100 Pump Rating=105

Price Per Barrel(54 gallons)= 340-372 bucks



As you can see by the different numbers above, the motivation is for the guys selling it by the gallon, to sell it using the RON as the rating quote....that's fine if the price they sell it for reflects the lower ratings....but that is not what they are doing.

Do the math on some of the above fuels on a per gallon basis.

The prices quoted are some of the prices I have been quoted over the past couple months....They are paying less than what I posted above due to buying larger quantities.


There ya go......everybody, quit quoting octane ratings and prices....quote brand name and be taken seriously.


Rocks:beer:

[bobbywade69]

Found out I am running 21 degrees of timing in the race program!!knana

Thank Thrai:tu:

[tliss]

Thank Thrai:tu:
I second the thanks, Trai! Gotta love living on the edge with 24-26 degrees of timing. Even with that kind of agressiveness I can't break a freakin' 12. I think it's time to put the truck on a diet (or my ass on one)!

Tom

[03LightningRocks]

Just right off the bat.....I can think of two guys that better make darn sure they are running 100 octane in the tank for they're race programs:beer: .

"Checking your timing is a good thing", is how Martha would put it.


I am still stunned by the timing on your race side Tom......be careful with that tune:eek2: .


Rocks:cool:

[tliss]

Just right off the bat.....I can think of two guys that better make darn sure they are running 100 octane in the tank for they're race programs:beer: .

"Checking your timing is a good thing", is how Martha would put it.


I am still stunned by the timing on your race side Tom......be careful with that tune:eek2: .


Rocks:cool:
I think those tunes are going to be for HP and ET. I don't think I'll use them much at all, especially considering my street program is very consistent. I think if I were to drop $40 in race gas into the tank every time I hit the track I'd be freakin' broke...especially since I am not really learned in the sport yet and it's really all for fun for me. I know I'm going to get a lot of use out of the street program, and seldom really use the other programs. I know the race gas will be in the tank any time I run them, and, the good thing is they both are safe on the A/F and I don't hear detonation on either one. I'll just keep my fingers crossed any time I turn the dial to 3 or 4.....

Tom