MS haters and Mozilla fans

[Silver_2000]

http://news.com.com/Latest+Mozilla+releases+fix+10+security+flaws/2100-1002_3-5368397.html?tag=nefd.top

The latest releases of the Mozilla and Firefox browsers, along with the Thunderbird e-mail software, fix 10 security issues, including three critical vulnerabilities, according to the Mozilla Foundation, which develops the software.

And we thought that only IE had issues... LOL

[Nuhklz]

http://news.com.com/Latest+Mozilla+releases+fix+10+security+flaws/2100-1002_3-5368397.html?tag=nefd.top

The latest releases of the Mozilla and Firefox browsers, along with the Thunderbird e-mail software, fix 10 security issues, including three critical vulnerabilities, according to the Mozilla Foundation, which develops the software.

And we thought that only IE had issues... LOL
Downloading now...

They all suck but are necessary evils. We could all go back to Netscape http://www.talonclub.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Sandman]

Downloading now...

They all suck but are necessary evils. We could all go back to Netscape http://www.talonclub.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
Netscape and Mozilla are basically one in the same.

[Nuhklz]

Netscape and Mozilla are basically one in the same.
I know. http://www.talonclub.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif I used Netscape way back when and now use Mozilla.

[Tex Arcana]

http://news.com.com/Latest+Mozilla+releases+fix+10+security+flaws/2100-1002_3-5368397.html?tag=nefd.top

The latest releases of the Mozilla and Firefox browsers, along with the Thunderbird e-mail software, fix 10 security issues, including three critical vulnerabilities, according to the Mozilla Foundation, which develops the software.

And we thought that only IE had issues... LOL

Of COURSE software has issues.. nature of the beast... only IE has holes large enough to pilot a supertanker thru.. :d

[blueoval01]

........ as far as Processes happening in the background ...

In the recesses of your computer, 20-30 invisible processes run silently in the background. Some hog system resources, turning your PC into a sluggish computer. Worse yet, other useless processes harbour spyware and Trojans - violating your privacy and giving hackers free reign on your computer. ProcessLibrary.com is an invaluable resource for anyone who wants to know the exact purpose of every single process..

Process Library (http://www.processlibrary.com/)

[Tex Arcana]

........ as far as Processes happening in the background ...

In the recesses of your computer, 20-30 invisible processes run silently in the background. Some hog system resources, turning your PC into a sluggish computer. Worse yet, other useless processes harbour spyware and Trojans - violating your privacy and giving hackers free reign on your computer. ProcessLibrary.com is an invaluable resource for anyone who wants to know the exact purpose of every single process..

Process Library (http://www.processlibrary.com/)


Within Windows itself, there are 83 processes, including that most famous of backdoors, Windows Quality of Service, which sets aside 20% of your bandwidth for the exclusive use of Microsoft, allegedly to hel them with "issues", but also to give them an easy entry into your system. And, with assent to the latest EULA (including that of Windows Media Player 9.x), you hand over administrator priveleges to Microsoft, meaning they have all rights to enter your machine AT WILL.

Sorry, Homie ain't playin' dat. :nono: I've got that bit of spyware shut off, as well as a host of others.

Head over to TweakHound's (http://www.tweakhound.com/xp/xptweaks/supertweaks1.htm), or BlackViper's (http://www.blackviper.com/index.html) for MUCh more information; Black Viper's contains a service-by-service analysis of what each one does, and which ones are unneccesary. Tweakhound's has a set fo utilities for improving the speed and responsiveness of systems, and ways to close holes even further, and refers extensively to BlackViper's work.

Atop of that, running a good virus scanner at least weekly, as well as keeping it updated, and a spyware blocker, is absolutely critical.

[Silver_2000]

Within Windows itself, there are 83 processes, including that most famous of backdoors, Windows Quality of Service, which sets aside 20% of your bandwidth for the exclusive use of Microsoft, allegedly to hel them with "issues", but also to give them an easy entry into your system. And, with assent to the latest EULA (including that of Windows Media Player 9.x), you hand over administrator priveleges to Microsoft, meaning they have all rights to enter your machine AT WILL.
Show me the money - Show me ANY reputable source that says that 20% of my bandwidth is dedicated to giving MS admin rights to my PC to enter it across the net at will - and show me the section of the EULA that allows MS to do that ...

Ill buy you and your SO Dinner at Saltgrass if you can...

Doug

[Tex Arcana]

Show me the money - Show me ANY reputable source that says that 20% of my bandwidth is dedicated to giving MS admin rights to my PC to enter it across the net at will - and show me the section of the EULA that allows MS to do that ...

Ill buy you and your SO Dinner at Saltgrass if you can...

Doug

M$'s own admission states that QOS sets aside bandwidth, and it's locked at 20%. Also, here (http://www.tech-recipes.com/windows_tips254.html) reinforces this:


Description
Many people believe that the QOS changes to TCP/IP decrease your internet speed. This is how to change this.
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Quality of Service (QOS) by default reserves 20% of your bandwidth.

More: WinXP steals your bandwidth (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/11/29/winxp_steals_your_bandwidth/), to wit:

Windows XP helps itself to 20 per cent of your bandwidth, a useful tip at TweakXP reveals. But although this sounds like the sort of thing that could easily fuel paranoia (what's it doing with it?), it's more just a case of sloppy and wasteful configuration.

The culprit is the QoS (quality of service) packet scheduler, which is intended to preserve some available bandwidth for important applications and in order to maintain network performance.


EULA issues:
From The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/06/30/ms_security_patch_eula_gives/):


MS security patch EULA gives Billg admin privileges on your box
By Thomas C Greene in Washington
Published Sunday 30th June 2002 05:56 GMT
If you caught our recent coverage of the Windows Media Player trio of security holes you may have followed a link to the TechNet download site for a patch, or you might have activated Windows Update. If you did the former (though, oddly, not if you did the latter), you would have been confronted with an End User License Agreement (EULA) stating, most ominously, that:

"You agree that in order to protect the integrity of content and software protected by digital rights management ('Secure Content'), Microsoft may provide security related updates to the OS Components that will be automatically downloaded onto your computer. These security related updates may disable your ability to copy and/or play Secure Content and use other software on your computer. If we provide such a security update, we will use reasonable efforts to post notices on a web site explaining the update."

"Reasonable efforts to post notices" somewhere on the Web. I think it's clear from the wording that MS has absolutely no intention of bringing this behavior to our attention.

Instead, Microsoft has just assumed the right to attack your computer and surreptitiously install code of its choosing. You will not be warned; you will not be offered an opportunity examine the download or refuse it. MS will simply connect remotely and install what it will, or install it secretly when you contact them.

This means MS will have administrator privileges on your personal computer. What they feed you may be infected with viruses; it may break your applications, corrupt data files, destroy weeks or months or even years of work, but you'll have no recourse if it does. By downloading this WMP critical security patch, which you must do to operate WMP safely, you'll agree to give Billg deed and title to your personal property and to leave Microsoft immune from legal retaliation if they damage your machine.

The pusillanimity of wrapping what amounts to a digital land-grant into a needed, critical security patch is matched only by the arrogance of assuming that Windows is now such a fundamental linchpin of a human life worth living that no retaliation in the courts or at the retail counters is conceivable. (And that's not to mention 'informal' retaliation by outraged IP warriors, which we fully expect to see.)

We've heard the Billg rubbish about Trustworthy Computing until we're sick to death of the trivial incantation. Ironically, Microsoft has just taken steps to make the Internet immensely more untrustworthy than it already is. When we know that arbitrary code will be secretely installed on our connected boxes by software vendors who are not accountable for the damage they may do, any issue of trust is obliterated.

May I suggest my (personally) favorite solution to that problem? ®


More examples: Windows XP Service Pack 1 and Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 contain a new condition which asks you to allow Windows to go and install future updates. (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/08/02/microsoft_eula_asks_for_root/):


"You acknowledge and agree that Microsoft may automatically check the version of the OS Product and/or its components that you are utilizing and may provide upgrades or fixes to the OS Product that will be automatically downloaded to your computer,"

Lastly, Microsoft EULAs crossing up banking operations:Is Microsoft Licensing Forcing Banks to Break The Law? (http://boston.internet.com/news/article.php/1485861)


At issue is Microsoft's "automatic update" feature, which allows users to automatically get upgrades and patches to their systems. To get the updates, users must agree to give Microsoft access to information on their systems.

That, says Warby, conflicts with federal regulations for financial institutions, such as the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 2001. The new law, which goes into effect next May, forbids financial service companies from giving third parties access to customer data without express consent from the customer. European countries generally have even stricter data privacy laws.


So, your vaunted Microsoft actively engages in employing spyware/malware to control the content of YOUR computer. And mine. :nono:

So, the next meeting is at Saltgrass?? :d