No chip for Go_rila........

[Sixpipes]

Tried to install my Swanson and Superchip (JDM) this weekend and neither would allow the truck to start. The contacts for the PCM must be trashed so...............looks like I'll be attending FFW Ennis with notta. Revised goal will be to run a sub-13 second quarter on the stock program. :cool:

[Silver_2000]

I have heard of people fixing the PCM contacts....

Doug

[Mark #2]

Can be done if you are handy with a soldering iron, but also can do more damage if you overheat and leach the Cu trace off of the board.

Radio shack sells kits for fixing boards.

I have done a fair amount of this work, touching up defense-type stuff. If you take apart the computer be sure to have ESD straps in place on a conductive surface just to be safe.

Mark2

[Silver_2000]

I was thinking that since the contacts are believed to be bad what is the down side ??

I worked as circuit board inspector about 20 years ago and have a soldering iron made for that work... Low heat and careful gets it done every time...

Superglue and luck fixes delaminated solder lands about 70% of the time...

Doug

[Logan]

Well how ya like that Six? You gots yourself two volunteers... :)

[Sixpipes]

Originally posted by Logan
Well how ya like that Six? You gots yourself two volunteers... :)

Sweet. I've been told never to go with the low bidder, but...........who is the low bidder? :cool:

[Mark #2]

I've got ESD straps, but Doug has the low temp soldering iron, that is what you need. I just have standard solding irons.

I will be glad to help, offer advice, or solder. Let me know.
Mark2

[L8 APEX]

I have a Zippo and some foil?:D I will even do it in the truck:d

[Moonshine]

I'll help drink beer, and tell the workers how they're doing it all wrong.:D

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

I thought Go_Rila had been taken over by the BOSS or something:crying: :crying:

[Silver_2000]

Originally posted by HIHOAG
I've got ESD straps, but Doug has the low temp soldering iron, that is what you need. I just have standard solding irons.

I will be glad to help, offer advice, or solder. Let me know.
Mark2

Thats the ticket, use my iron, let mark do the work and have brian drink and critique from a distance... That way the blame can be spread real wide... LOL

[Sixpipes]

Originally posted by Silver_2000_;)!


Thats the ticket, use my iron, let mark do the work and have brian drink and critique from a distance... That way the blame can be spread real wide... LOL
Saturday after lunch somewhere or Saturday after breakfast somewhere? I don't let just anyone operate on Go_rila's brain ya know. :cool:

[blueoval01]

Hummm, best case scenerio ......... Dougs tools, in Mark's garage drinking Sixer's beer ......... I'm in for that! :tu:

:banana:

[Mark #2]

Sounds good to me.
6er, I didn't get in touch with you today, see your e-mail or private box. Can you spot me on the Amarillo deal?. Chris and I have a deal if you think that they will fit.

Mark2

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

WE FIX COMPUTERS FOR BEER :beer:

[Logan]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh... Teamwork. Gotta love it.

[andy_cain]

Hey SIX, I may have another temp solution for you if the repair effort does not work.
I have a brand new PCM box (CUX1), never even been programed.
You would have to have it programed to pass through your PATS system, but you are welcome to borrow it if need be to get you through.
I also have a spare PSP chip (CUX1, 1.C1S904P.BIN) If that will work on Go_rilla???

[Tony2000]

I will as my friend at the dealer if he can get it programed
and how much:tu: :tu:

[Tony2000]

I though that 99 has a different computer .than a CUX1
:confused:
but if it works let me know if I can help
:banana:

[Sixpipes]

I reckon we'll try a little group brain salad surgery and see what happens.

Wayne,

How'd you end up with a new CUX-1? :cool:

[L8 APEX]

From what he told me tonight after his trans kit was: "I stay up all night drinking alcohol and taking pain pills for my broken ankle. I have browsers on F150 for sale, NLOC for sale and TALON f/s looking for stuff to buy" His intention was to have a clean PCM with sealed contacts for warranty work if mods were ever questioned.

[andy_cain]

It's a must have for a 3rd party extended warranty:banana: :banana: :banana:

[Logan]

Originally posted by Tony2000
I though that 99 has a different computer .than a CUX1
:confused:
but if it works let me know if I can help
:banana:

Nope, 99's were CUX-1's...

[Sixpipes]

So..............huh....like Doug, are you going to be around tomorrow?

[Silver_2000]

Originally posted by Sixpipes
So..............huh....like Doug, are you going to be around tomorrow?

Gimme a call

[Mark #2]

Doug,
Any plans yet?

[Sixpipes]

It's looking like a late lunch over by Mark's house somewhere. Are there any good places to grab.................................a samich around there? :p

[Silver_2000]

I have abusy day scheduled of sleeping on the couch and celebrating that I still have a job.....

If we can think of a decent sandwich shop near 75 and Spring valley maybe we could meet there for lunch at say 1230 ??


Doug

[Sixpipes]

http://www.f150online.com/galleries/images/211-239-28595.jpg
Ended up a HIHOAG's place and took a close look at the board. All contacts looked good. Even added a little height to the contact via extra solder, but.................still no go on either chip. Looks like I'll be chipless for FFW/Ennis :cool:

[andy_cain]

Six:
Is it the chip or the PCM...I have spares of both:banana:

Depends on how your L is set up.
Let me know.

[Mark #2]

Appears that GoRila has DrainBamage.
Probably the PCM.

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

If the board cracked when the chip was seated, it will cause a break in the lead, but it will be difficult to spot without a magnifying glass or continuity check

[Mark #2]

Sixer,
If you want, I can take the board to work and inspect under a scope for cracks or defects.
Mark2

[L8 APEX]

My thoughts are maybe the dealer flashed it to a sux2 or whatever the update was for 99 and the chip has the old setting? or scan it with a chip on and see if there is a P0603 code for internal ROM failure meaning it is reading the chip.. Sad day, no nanner for Rila:(

[L8 APEX]

I had an early AM thought... Chevy warranties their PCM's for 6/100K I think. Wonder if Ford does the same:confused: just have to find a way to cause a warrantable failure;)

[MadMax]

Originally posted by L8 APEX
I had an early AM thought... Chevy warranties their PCM's for 6/100K I think. Wonder if Ford does the same:confused: just have to find a way to cause a warrantable failure;)


PCM Failure=covert action :rolleyes: email, offline only

[Sixpipes]

Originally posted by andy_cain
Six:
Is it the chip or the PCM...I have spares of both:banana:

Depends on how your L is set up.
Let me know.
Wayne,

With FFW less than four weeks away, I'll probably just stay put where I am. The truck is running really well on the stock program and since FFW/Top Truck is bracket racing, it doesn't really matter what ET I run. Thanks for the offer. :cool:

How much does a CUX-1 cost anyway?

[andy_cain]

No problem Six,
If you change your mind the offer is still open...since it just sits in my closet.
I have heard as much as $260. with a $100. core from Ford.
I think it varries quite a bit depending on where it comes from.

Me, I wanna think I paid under $200 total for mine with shipping.:banana:
Who says being on all the classifieds at one time doesn't pay off from time to time:beer:

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

Do you want me to send you a CUX2 chip, keep it in my computer bag at work === never know when I would need to get home fast or something:d

PS it is an autologic Danny Swanson burned for a Pro-M:twitch:

[Sixpipes]

Before I can use a chip, I will have to replace the computer. If I replace the computer (CUX-1), I already have a chip. Kind of like which came first the chip or the computer? I would like to stay with a CUX-1 to keep from voiding my warranty. :D But thanks anyway. :cool:

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

I would like to stay with a CUX-1 to keep from voiding my warranty.

Oh yea, I forgot you have one of those celestial warranties, you paid for one, but God only knows why:hammer:

[Silver_2000]

Originally posted by Sixpipes
like to stay with a CUX-1 to keep from voiding my warranty. :D But thanks anyway. :cool:

?? Huh ??

Isnt this the same comapny that refused a claim because you had 20 inch wheels ???

Geesh

[Sixpipes]

Actually, I was just kidding. When I had trouble with my warranty at Bankston, I immediately cancelled my warranty and received a check for $1,061 from the warranty company in Franklin, TN. So..........the joke was, I don't have a warranty. No fun when you have to explain your own joke. :D

Anyway, if HIHOAG's offer is still on the table, I think I will pull the computer and have him check out the circuits to make sure none are damaged. I'm thinking I might want to run a chip at FFW if we can solve the problem. That Vette/Viper incident on Friday night has me rethinking my decision to run the stock computer program. I'm definitely down on power in third gear. :cool:

[Mark #2]

6er,
I can take it in and visually inspect under a scope for broken traces in the circuit board, but without a circuit diagram I won't be able to check the continuity of the interconnects.

I need less hard shifts and you need more. If GoRila is female maybe we can breed with my stiff shifting SilverBack.:)

[andy_cain]

You guys seem to me to be making this a much bigger issue than need be....

[andy_cain]

:banana:

[andy_cain]

:hammer:

[andy_cain]

None of which is currently being used......:beer:

[Silver_2000]

I would suggest that you/he/we try soldering the flip side as well.

Mark should be able to gain some info by a close visual inspection...

Seems a waste to me to throw away a PCM ... But contact Gary at Ford Parts Online and see what $$ the PCm would be
parts@fordpartsonline.com

Doug

[Sixpipes]

Originally posted by HIHOAG

If GoRila is female maybe we can breed with my stiff shifting SilverBack.:)
That would like make Go_rila your biotch. :p
If there are breeches in the traces, they will be immediately adjacent to the contact points on the inner side of where the chip attaches. I could have bent the chip tab just enough to damage one or more of the traces on the inward side. After we get through beating our heads against the wall on this, I'll probably make an appointment to see Wayne. :p

I understand a new computer needs to be "flashed" before it can be used. I assume a Ford dealer must do this, but would appreciate any insight into the situation. :cool:

[andy_cain]

SIX:
I will be at BoneDaddy's Thursday and will bring it with me.
Yes, it does need to be programed to pass the PATS part of your system.
With FFW this close, I think the more options you have the better.
Is your chip burned for CUX 1 already?
The 4 way PSP in the picture is burned for the CUX1 but I hooked it up in my L Thursday and put her on the dyno at HP store and got Chitty results...AFR #'s were VERY fat...best I could squeeze out of it on any of the 3 programs (prog 1 is for stock) was 367.5 HP with 449.7 TQ....
My single program street chip hits 395.6 so I am going to stick with it and after things settle have Sal reburn the 4 way.

[MadMax]

damn! :eek: that offer of the full PCM enchilada is like Southern Hospitality if I ever saw any myself :D



:beer: ein bier bitte and a CUX1 to go please....back to the geetar or something.... :D

[Sixpipes]

Originally posted by andy_cain
SIX:
Is your chip burned for CUX 1 already?

I have three different chips burned for the CUX-1, so the computer really is all I need. I may still have Mark look at my current board, but if you don't mind bringing it Thursday, I will work on getting you a new replacement. :cool:

[andy_cain]

No sweat, just hate to see you jump through hoops when I have a safety net I am not using.
I will bring it on Thursday.:beer:

[jmlay]

Your PATS can be programed by any locksmith that has Star Tester, much cheeper than Ford. Ford would not do it in house anyway, they would call a locksmith and charge you out the ___.

This is where I got mine done. There address is Rowlett but it is more like North Garland, just off 190. Very reasonable and they treat you well.

Samson's/Advanced Lock & Safe Service
4614 Lakeview Pkwy.
Rowlett, TX (972)771-5213

Rowlett 972-475-3031
Rockwall 972-771-2540
Garland 972-272-5560
Dallas 214-823-2360
Plano 972-881-5383

They did me good $250 Total!!!

- Cut 2 Key's
- Re-keyed the Ignition
- Re-keyed the Driver Door
- Re-keyed the tailgate
- Programmed the two keys into the PATS

I called several places and they were by far the best price. One place wanted $350 just to program PATS/Ignition!


http://www.nloc.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13082

[andy_cain]

You don't need it all rekeyed and so forth...NGS Scan tool from the dealer can set the PCM to match the existing PATS code.
I have a friend that works at a local dealer that says its a 5 minute job ($30. and a 12 pack on a Saturday afternoon when he isn't busy and its done)
If you paid $250.00, you had bigger issues than just programing the pats code to match the PCM...your talking about keys and all kinds of other unnecessary things there.:hammer:

[jmlay]

Heck ya I had bigger issues!!! I had a wife that seems to feel the need to keep her purse, cell phone, camera and spare set of keys in the auto unlocked!!! They got the entertainment system also.

I was just saying that it does not have to be done by the dealer and that these people treated me fairly.

2 keys, 2 locks, ignition, and programmed the PATS for $250 is a good deal.

I also agree that it is a 5 min job. I stood there and watched as they did it.

If you can get it done for $30 that is great. More toys for the boys!!!

[Mark #2]

6er and Silver2000,
I'll be glad do some more brain surgery on GoRila, let me know when.
Mark

[Sixpipes]

Mark,

Go_rila's brain is hanging on the inside of your fence near the garage. :cool:

[Mark #2]

I was mowing the lawn and saw a GoRila brain.:)

Got it, I'll take to work tomorrow.
Mark

[Sixpipes]

So you have lights on your mower? :cool:

[L8 APEX]

This many posts about a PCM is insane I'm gonna :vomit: :d

[Mark #2]

Okay,
Just for L8apex:)

Mower does not, but the yard does.

Just finished checking the nervous system of GoRila.
No traces are broken, scratched and beat up, but not broken.
Contacts are very worn.

Re-soldered someone's terrible looking solder joints on the connector. Looks like someone tried to do in their garage.:)
Easier when you have a stereozoom microscope.

Probably made no difference, but may have helped the contact points and uniformity.

6er, are you coming tonight? If not page me, maybe we can meet for lunch somewhere.

[andy_cain]

Did you by chance check the numbers on the PCM to see if it is a match for my spare?

[Mark #2]

No, I didn't. I just have the board at work, not the case.
Mark

[Sixpipes]

I'm bringing the Contour to tonight's meeting. YeeHaw!!! :cool: