Comparisons on a 12 sec. run

[True Blue Aggie]

I got to thinking on the way back from Hallsville about the runs that were made, and how they were made. BC Lightning, 00Bolt, and myself all ran personal bests with the time ranging from 12.21-12.37.
Figuring that these runs were close enough, and all ran relatively at the same time (same round), that is when I started to wonder why each truck ran what it did.
I also started wondering what each truck had installed, and whether or not it helped that truck run that number.

So here is my breakdown.......

BC Lightning - 12.21 @ 112.65
Chip - SCT Tuner, Drag Slicks, Exhaust (no headers), Air Filter, Intake (plenum), shift kit (ftvb), 4# pulley, SCT MAF, Race Fuel, Less weight, SBTB, 2400 stall converter, e-fan and w.pump, and a aftermarker heat exchanger

00 Bolt - 12.33 @ 109.95
Headers (long tubes), SCT Tuner, drag slicks, exhaust, Air Filter, Ported Magnum Powers supercharger, shift kit (ftvb), 4# pulley, Race Fuel, SBTB, and e-fan.

True Blue Aggie - 12.37 @ 109.87
Chip-Diablo Predator, Drag slicks, Exhaust (No Headers), Air Filter, Shift Kit (line mod valve), 6# pulley, less weight, traction bars, e-fan and w.pump, and a aftermarket heat exchanger

Scott and Michael will need to help me out on the dyno'd HP and TQ numbers. They can let me know if my breakdown is accurate also.

So with all of this information, what is making these trucks run what they do?

The other thought I had was who spent the least amount of money to make the most horsepower?

And finally, who has the safest and the most dangerous tune?

not sure where this is going, but I had time to think on the drive back from Hallsville....:tu:

[00Bolt]

i do not have heat exchanger, water pump or plenum (mine is stock) and my MAF is 90mm stock. and the blower is not ported

this is with stock 3.55 gears and converter and stock tranny

as for numbers. My race tune is 19/20 timing. With about 11.8 - 12.0 A/F ratio.

My dyno numbers are around 440/520

[03LightningRocks]

BC-Lightning spun his tires at some point in his run...thus the 112 MPH. Been there...done that;) .

Just a guess here...but I noticed you and Scott don't have torque converters listed. BC-Lightning does...thus his lower E.T.

The dyno numbers don't really mean sh!t. I dynoed at 43x H.P. and then a month later ran an 11.8x pass. I have been told I can't run an 11 second pass with 43x H.P. Funny...I did it 6 times...LOL.


Rocks:beer:

[L8 APEX]

Drag racing is all in the 60' says some old wise man..The signature says it all:D

[True Blue Aggie]

1.793, 12.332@ 109.95 (00, Blk) 2acdefikl#motwz (02-05-05)

This is what you posted. If you do not have the MAF you will want to remove the "M" from your post....:tu: .....and what is the upper intake work? Your spacer?

[00Bolt]

for a comparison.... my 60' was 1.793 (best ever also)

well i have 90mm, and 85 is stock for 00... guess thats why I did that, and I did have C+L plenum, but now (and on Saturday) im back to stock

[bobbywade69]

80mm is stock for 99-00 and 90mm for 01-04!!! Get it right!!:evil




for a comparison.... my 60' was 1.793 (best ever also)

well i have 90mm, and 85 is stock for 00... guess thats why I did that, and I did have C+L plenum, but now (and on Saturday) im back to stock

[bobbywade69]

60' times is where its at!!! my best run was a 12.6 with a 1.68 60' time on a 94 degree day!

[True Blue Aggie]

Drag racing is all in the 60' says some old wise man..The signature says it all:D

You would think, but not in this case. 1.793, 1.800, and 1.800 were the 60's for the runs. BC and myself cut the 1.80's, Scott hit the 1.793.

[True Blue Aggie]

60' times is where its at!!! my best run was a 12.6 with a 1.68 60' time on a 94 degree day!

Then why can I run faster than you with a 1.80 60' consistently? Not flaming here, but it is definitely a question, not just for you specific....

[L8 APEX]

Then why can I run faster than you with a 1.80 60' consistently? Not flaming here, but it is definitely a question, not just for you specific....
Because you were running down hill in the colder air, his 94' day. The Hallsville mod:D

[True Blue Aggie]

....The Hallsville mod:D

Now that is the truth....that track is crazy with its elevation changes....:d

[BC Lightning]

i dont have a sct maf, but i do have a 95mm maf

i spun, as well as adam, on every launch. the 12.21 pass i spun, stayed in it, and finally hooked. your .303 faster reaction, plus my tire spin caused you to stay in front of me the whole way, this could be solved by a new pair of slicks, or adjusting the metco trak-link bars, among other things

now all i need is a new set of slicks and rons front runners, ill be in plano after the 15th uncle rocks :tu:

401.3hp and 482trq

Mods:
SCT Tuner
Oil Breather Cap
CAI
95mm Mass Air
C&L Elbow
Accufab Single Blade Throttle Body
C&L Intake Plenum
Phenolic Spacer
160 Degree Thermostat
4# Pulley
Dual Electric Fans
LFP Heat Exchanger
Heat Exchanger Electric Fan
W/ Intercooler Pump Relay
Cobra R Water Pump
Performance Research Built Tranny
W/ 2400 Art Carr Stall Converter
B&M Deep Sump Tranny Pan
Line Lock
Magnafolw Cat Back
Metco Lower Trak Link Bars
Adjustable Sway Bar End Links
Roush Suspension
Hoosier Drags on Weld Drag Lites

[bobbywade69]

Exactly what Terry said its the Hallsville mod!! Plus I haven't ran in the winter yet! But I usually see 1.6-1.7 60' times everytime I run, after I got the built tranny and stall converter! Can't wait to see my times after a get some t-bars!:tu:


Then why can I run faster than you with a 1.80 60' consistently? Not flaming here, but it is definitely a question, not just for you specific....

[00Bolt]

im curious if the 3.73 gears make much of a difference over 3.55s :confused:

[BC Lightning]

the 3.73 gears will give you a better launch over 3.55, like 4.10 will give you an even better launh and 60'

[03LightningRocks]

i dont have a sct maf, but i do have a 95mm maf

i spun, as well as adam, on every launch. the 12.21 pass i spun, stayed in it, and finally hooked. your .303 faster reaction, plus my tire spin caused you to stay in front of me the whole way, this could be solved by a new pair of slicks, or adjusting the metco trak-link bars, among other things

now all i need is a new set of slicks and rons front runners, ill be in plano after the 15th uncle rocks :tu:

401.3hp and 482trq

Mods:
SCT Tuner
Oil Breather Cap
CAI
95mm Mass Air
C&L Elbow
Accufab Single Blade Throttle Body
C&L Intake Plenum
Phenolic Spacer
160 Degree Thermostat
4# Pulley
Dual Electric Fans
LFP Heat Exchanger
Heat Exchanger Electric Fan
W/ Intercooler Pump Relay
Cobra R Water Pump
Performance Research Built Tranny
W/ 2400 Art Carr Stall Converter
B&M Deep Sump Tranny Pan
Line Lock
Magnafolw Cat Back
Metco Lower Trak Link Bars
Adjustable Sway Bar End Links
Roush Suspension
Hoosier Drags on Weld Drag Lites


After the 15th??? Well, now your going to have to wait;) . I have to order my replacement wheels before I can give you the Welds. The Bogarts take a little while to aquire, Bogart makes them as they are ordered. I wasn't sure if you still wanted them, so I decided to hold off on getting new ones. No problem though....as long as you don't mind waiting about 4 weeks :tu: .

Rocks

[03LightningRocks]

im curious if the 3.73 gears make much of a difference over 3.55s :confused:


Like Michael said, yes it makes a difference. Maybe I am in the minority on this, but if I had 3.55's and I where going to change, I would go ahead and move to the 4.10's.


Rocks

[WA 2 FST]

Like Michael said, yes it makes a difference. Maybe I am in the minority on this, but if I had 3.55's and I where going to change, I would go ahead and move to the 4.10's.


Rocks

But you would also run a 28" tall tire. Scott is running a 26" diameter race tire, so he is effectively at or slightly above a 3.73 when he's at the track. :)

[MadNess]

nothing wrong with the 3.55s... I run the 28 hoosier full slick on a 16x10 wheel... my 60s are usually anywhere from 1.58 (my best) to 1.63ish (average)

[BC Lightning]

wait 4 weeks :hammer: . I put your money away, so when you get the bogarts, let me know :nana2

If my truck saw very little to no highway driving, or wasnt my daily driver, then i would put 4.10 in it

[SpeedyBolt]

Well, I'm very envious of all you guy's. I curently have; 6# pulley, E-fan, Filter, 95mm MAF housing, Mac Cat-back, Art Carr 2400 stall, LFP Heat Exchanger, SCT Xcalibrator, Slide-a-link traction bars and run on 26" MT ET Streets. I only was able to pull off a 12.86@106.18. This wasn't my race tune but I feel it should have still been quicker than that! I don't know how much the "Hallsville mod" is worth but I think I need to go there!

[03LightningRocks]

wait 4 weeks http://www.talonclub.com/forum/images/smilies/bash.gif . I put your money away, so when you get the bogarts, let me know http://www.talonclub.com/forum/images/smilies/banana2.gif

If my truck saw very little to no highway driving, or wasnt my daily driver, then i would put 4.10 in it


Kewl...I will try to get fu#king Terry off his gawd damned ass and on the phone ordering my gawd damned wheels.....http://www.talonclub.com/forum/images/smilies/devil.gif .


How did everybody like that????


Rockshttp://www.svtgalleries.net/gallery/data/500/226devil_birds.GIF

[Mark #2]

nothing wrong with the 3.55s... I run the 28 hoosier full slick on a 16x10 wheel... my 60s are usually anywhere from 1.58 (my best) to 1.63ish (average)

What tire, 28/16/10?

[TX SVT LIGHTNING]

madness, got converter?

2001- 12.29 @ 110.55 w/1.80 at HoustonRaceway
4lb lower, maggy muffler, 58" t-bars, 28" hoosier, lmv, flip chip, t-body, e-fan, cone filter kit
(no hitch, no spare, no gate, no bedmat)

2004- 12.68 @ 108.14 w/1.86 at TempleAcademy
3lb lower, maggy muffler, 58" t-bars, 28" hoosier, ftvb, sct
(no hitch, no spare, bedmat in)

[MadNess]

What tire, 28/16/10?

Yep thats the one :) and yes I have a PI converter.

[ThunderBolt]

No problems w/ my 60' w/ 3:55's. I run consistent 1.72-1.74 60'ers

[03LightningRocks]

Well, I'm very envious of all you guy's. I curently have; 6# pulley, E-fan, Filter, 95mm MAF housing, Mac Cat-back, Art Carr 2400 stall, LFP Heat Exchanger, SCT Xcalibrator, Slide-a-link traction bars and run on 26" MT ET Streets. I only was able to pull off a 12.86@106.18. This wasn't my race tune but I feel it should have still been quicker than that! I don't know how much the "Hallsville mod" is worth but I think I need to go there!


The Hallsville bit is way over blown. It isn't like your going to run 2 tenths quicker. The track is still a quarter mile...and it is still, IHRA regulation, on the level(in other words, not down hill).

What it really is about is temperature. For whatever reason, guys around here do Hallsville in the winter. If Ennis where open and we went there on a 45 degree day...folks would be calling it the Ennis mod. Like for like weather, I usually run about one tenth quicker at Hallsville than Ennis. It probably has more to do with elavation than anything.

By the way, if you want some really good E.T.'s, do the HRP mod. I always do about 2 tenths quicker there than Ennis. That track always impresses me at FFW time. It hooks great when they are prepping it well.

[StormShadow]

Also don't forget that you don't have to wait in line in the staging lanes at Hallsville letting your truck heat up like you do at Ennis. This has to account for something.

[True Blue Aggie]

What it really is about is temperature. For whatever reason, guys around here do Hallsville in the winter. If Ennis where open and we went there on a 45 degree day...folks would be calling it the Ennis mod. Like for like weather, I usually run about one tenth quicker at Hallsville than Ennis. It probably has more to do with elavation than anything.

Hallsville is 375 and Ennis is 500....

[03LightningRocks]

Hallsville is 375 and Ennis is 500....

Kewl.....Believe it or not...that can help achieve better E.T.'s. HRP(Houston), is actually below sea level...I'm pretty sure.