Anyone good with legal papers?

[00Bolt]

hey guys, i found a car I think im gonna buy, im going tomorrow to check it all out, and if I approve, i had planned on putting down a deposit (from individual, not dealer) to hold the car and take off the market. Iv talked to him a few times, and he knows my situation...(selling the truck, mods, etc) and i told him id be able to put abut $3k down on the car this weekend if needbe, and wouldnt have the rest until maybe next weekend.... and he is okay with that as he is not in a huge hurry to sell the car... so a week or 2 is okay with him...

anyway, iv never bought anything major like this from an individual, and Iv seen way too many Judge Mathis shows on tv... i know I need some kind of bill of sale or something that shows Im buying the car for such and such amount, and putting so much down, and owe so much, blah blah....

my question is... does anyone know how to do this professionally and legally?? thanks guys...

btw, iv found a 96 Trans Am WS6, 6speed, Ttops, chrome rims, black leather, suspension upgrade, borla exhaust, Ram Air/hood.... for a sweet deal....i know its no lightning, but it should be fun to drive at least and it will be PAID for!!!

[WA 2 FST]

Do the '96 F-body cars have LS1 engines? For some reason I thought they came later (the Vette didn't get them til the C5 body style which was '97). If its an LT1, I'd honestly find something else if it were me. There are some decent LS1 F-body cars out there for a reasonable price.

[L8 APEX]

I would never put more than 500 down ernest money. The F bodies were not LS1 until 98 a year after C5's. LT1's are NIGHTmares to work on!! You are trying ot put a fleeting grip on what use to be an exciting life. Accept your fate gracefully and get a nice 4 door something. After owning a Lightning anything else is second fiddle and will not satisfy. Expecially a 10yr old Camaro thingy:vomit: . If you can't do performance right don't put a bastard stab at it. We'll see if you have learned anything in the last year or so...:twitch: .

[03LightningRocks]

I have a hundred bucks that says he won't listen to either one of you....;) .

[TP Derrick D]

I would never put more than 500 down ernest money. The F bodies were not LS1 until 98 a year after C5's. LT1's are NIGHTmares to work on!! You are trying ot put a fleeting grip on what use to be an exciting life. Accept your fate gracefully and get a nice 4 door something. After owning a Lightning anything else is second fiddle and will not satisfy. Expecially a 10yr old Camaro thingy:vomit: . If you can't do performance right don't put a bastard stab at it. We'll see if you have learned anything in the last year or so...:twitch: .


Scott,
What Terry said, especially the part about nightmare to work on. My crew chief charges double to work on one of those than he would if he did the same thing on a Stang. plus they just more expensive all the way around and you get less in return. I gave you his number,call him up,ask his opinion. :nono:

[wesman]

lmmfao....have to sell the L cause I have a second child on the way....have to make room for them...

SO.....I'm gonna sell the L and get an F body

That thing is uncomfortable in the front seats, god forbid someone actually wants to get in the back......

For the Love of God Scott,,......listen to others....I told you the BMW was a POS and you didn't listen and it's biting you in the ass now......at least listen now when I tell you the F bodys are POS's, I had a '99 and sold it to to get the '00328CI.....we all know how that turned out.

Accept your fate and get something respectable with 4-doors, understand that you aren't going to have 3-400 hp anymore and move on.......you're grasping at straws here http://www.talonclub.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[True Blue Aggie]

http://www.dodge.com/srt-4/index.html?context=vehiclePage&type=vehicleLink

Go and get the 05 SRT-4. Low monthly payments, four seats, and you can still mod them out...

[03LightningRocks]

LOL...Wes...you don't understand;) . He wants to maintain the "KEWL" look. He will eventually figure out that you can't possibly look KEWL, with a wife, diaper bag and two kids spewing pablum all over the car seats.

It's over Scott...go get a minivan.....:evil . Before ya know it Scott...a bunch of 20 somethings will be referring to you as "Uncle Scott" and your kids will be sucking the life out of your bank account for college tuition...LOL.


Rocks........spreadin da cheer:rll:

[00Bolt]

guess i am getting old, turn 26 in a couple months, wife 2 kids..... but i still FEEL young... i refuse to get a minivan or for my wife to have one...NEVER!!!

as for this car, i didnt know they werent ls1s, and looks like im all over the place huh... one day a stang, then this....im not really getting rid of truck because 4seats vs 2 seats... more looking for something I can pay cash for and have no payment... that $400/mo can be used elsewhere for the time being.... as for 4 seater for familly, thats what wifes car is for (gonna be getting SUV soon, bye BMW)... but i like cars too much to step down to a cavalier... i still want something I like... and the only 4 door cars i like (lancer evo, etc) are way out of my price range...im looking for something around $6k cash money but still fun to drive and I like....thanks for opinions guys... yall always give good advice, i just dont always listen :eek:

[WA 2 FST]

Ok, you just said what I said about 2 weeks ago. "4-door vehicle is what the wife's car is for". That tells me 1) you do not need this next car/truck to be a family hauler. So, 2) unless you _really_ need to get rid of the L...(which you're going to lose $$ on anyway... you say the payment is $400/month, ok, but factor in what you're going to lose by selling the truck), you can keep the L since it is not going to be used to haul the family around.

My wife will never have a minivan either. I hate them with a passion. That's why I got an Expedition and did the "L" treatment. Now I just need Terry to install an "L" motor so my wife can run high-14s in her 6000lb brick. :lol:

[03LightningRocks]

Ok, you just said what I said about 2 weeks ago. "4-door vehicle is what the wife's car is for". That tells me 1) you do not need this next car/truck to be a family hauler. So, 2) unless you _really_ need to get rid of the L...(which you're going to lose $$ on anyway... you say the payment is $400/month, ok, but factor in what you're going to lose by selling the truck), you can keep the L since it is not going to be used to haul the family around.

My wife will never have a minivan either. I hate them with a passion. That's why I got an Expedition and did the "L" treatment. Now I just need Terry to install an "L" motor so my wife can run high-14s in her 6000lb brick. :lol:


LOL...Wes...the rest of us look at people driving Expeditions and laughingly say...minivan in cognito....:twitch: . You can run----but you can't hide.

[WA 2 FST]

I know, I know. SUV's are just glofied station wagons, IMHO. It ain't no stinkin' minivan, though!:tongue:

But at least an SUV _can_ look cool, and typically have 8 cylinder engines. A minivan... can't be helped.

[Tex Arcana]

Ok, you just said what I said about 2 weeks ago. "4-door vehicle is what the wife's car is for". That tells me 1) you do not need this next car/truck to be a family hauler. So, 2) unless you _really_ need to get rid of the L...(which you're going to lose $$ on anyway... you say the payment is $400/month, ok, but factor in what you're going to lose by selling the truck), you can keep the L since it is not going to be used to haul the family around.

My wife will never have a minivan either. I hate them with a passion. That's why I got an Expedition and did the "L" treatment. Now I just need Terry to install an "L" motor so my wife can run high-14s in her 6000lb brick. :lol:


SCott, methinks you need to listen to us on this one. You will NOT be happy with anything less than the L, and the TA is a poor sustitute. Wes is right: you're gonna lose more money selling and parting out the L than you will if you keep it and keep your foot out of it. IF anything, put a few dollars into what amounts to an "economy" tune, so you can putter back and forth to work with a semblance of decent milage (especially if you can't keep your foot out of it).

I think you've knee-jerked on this one, Scott. Calm down, think it thru, and you'll see we're right. :tu:

[Tex Arcana]

I know, I know. SUV's are just glofied station wagons, IMHO. It ain't no stinkin' minivan, though!:tongue:

But at least an SUV _can_ look cool, and typically have 8 cylinder engines. A minivan... can't be helped.

Wes, that looks nice... but... but... the tires... they don't look quite right... :confused:

Yes, you need to put a Lightning mill in there... wasn't there a guy in NRH tht did that with a 4x4 Expy?? He did a hella job on it... :d

[WA 2 FST]

It's the picture. It looks fine in person. The tires are 285/55-18. Got to keep a 30+" tire on there (which is the stock tire diameter). No way I'd go low, low-profile on a heavy SUV. Might "look" ok sitting still, but does nothing for ride OR handling, and life of suspension components.

That picture was taken with the old Pirelli Scorpions on it. Now its got Michelins and they not only look better, but of course the ride and tread wear is significantly better. Worth the extra $40/tire for sure. :)

[Beaudee]

Wish i saw this a month ago! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4542216969&category=6427

[Tex Arcana]

It's the picture. It looks fine in person. The tires are 285/55-18. Got to keep a 30+" tire on there (which is the stock tire diameter). No way I'd go low, low-profile on a heavy SUV. Might "look" ok sitting still, but does nothing for ride OR handling, and life of suspension components.

That picture was taken with the old Pirelli Scorpions on it. Now its got Michelins and they not only look better, but of course the ride and tread wear is significantly better. Worth the extra $40/tire for sure. :)

IF you bolted on the Lightning suspension components, or a decent lowering kit, it's look right; also, they've got that little device thta plugs into your wiring harness, and adjusts your tire size (as far as the computer is concerned, anyway) by setting a dial, and then it'd look right. ;)

[WA 2 FST]

Tell you what... you get a 6000+lb SUV and lower it and see how long you can take the ride. Have fun replacing shocks every 10k miles. Same with the 295/45-18 tires. Total crap handling with a large SUV. Braking also takes a beating as well. I know some people do it. I don't want to live with it, and frankly it makes the trucks more dangerous to drive. SUVs slammed with "dubs" may look cool, but it takes away from the functionality of the truck.

I wanted it to be practical. It is. :)

[Tex Arcana]

Tell you what... you get a 6000+lb SUV and lower it and see how long you can take the ride. Have fun replacing shocks every 10k miles. Same with the 295/45-18 tires. Total crap handling with a large SUV. Braking also takes a beating as well. I know some people do it. I don't want to live with it, and frankly it makes the trucks more dangerous to drive. SUVs slammed with "dubs" may look cool, but it takes away from the functionality of the truck.

I wanted it to be practical. It is. :)

Okay, bring it over here, bring me an airride kit, and the Lightning bits, and we'll do it. :d

I see wha you're saying about the ride--but an airride would help with that. Also, the brakes the L has would worl as well (since they come off an F250/Excursion, which both weigh at least as much, if not moreso); if you're still concenred, upgrade to a BBK. Using the L rims and tires, wouldn't be an issue, since they already go with the L suspenson, and spring/damper rates are based more on the wheel-tire package and unsprung mass than the weight support needed (to an extent, of course, before you shoot me for that).

Besides, we've already seen the Expy Lightning-ized, first by a modder (and it worked), and second by Ford themselves (remember the Thunder concept??).

So you know as well as I do it *CAN* be done, it just takes some willpower and desire. :D

Now, get to it! :p

[WA 2 FST]

I know it _can_ be done. But, the key is that its not something _I_ have to drive everyday. ;) There's the kicker. If momma isn't happy (ride, comfort, etc) then it will get a thumbs-down.

Yes, I remember the Thunder. That's what gave me the idea to purchase an XLT stripper (except for leather interior) and do the rest myself.

FYI, the rear suspension is completely different than a typical pickup. Ours already has the air-ride suspension (which sucks, IMHO).

Bigger brakes on it would be nice. Lowering it 1-1.5" wouldn't be too bad (limited in the rear as far as the height threshold goes due to the factory air-ride stuff). I'm just not even going to think of putting low profile tires on it.
It could certainly use a 400hp/450tq motor, though! :D

[Tex Arcana]

I know it _can_ be done. But, the key is that its not something _I_ have to drive everyday. ;) There's the kicker. If momma isn't happy (ride, comfort, etc) then it will get a thumbs-down.

Yes, I remember the Thunder. That's what gave me the idea to purchase an XLT stripper (except for leather interior) and do the rest myself.

FYI, the rear suspension is completely different than a typical pickup. Ours already has the air-ride suspension (which sucks, IMHO).

Bigger brakes on it would be nice. Lowering it 1-1.5" wouldn't be too bad (limited in the rear as far as the height threshold goes due to the factory air-ride stuff). I'm just not even going to think of putting low profile tires on it.
It could certainly use a 400hp/450tq motor, though! :D


My old Lincoln Mark VII LSC had the air ride, and when it was working properly it was great, handled well and rode like a dream. ;)

Of course, the air ride you have now isn't optimized for handling; and there's an outfit (I forget who) that's selling air suspension kits that promise to handle better than the original spring suspension, and according to at least one test I read (Automobile mag?), it lived up to its promise.

Personally, I think you could develop an air ride setup that would be a good compromise between handling and ride, with the air setup itself keeping it nice'n'smooth for momma, with enough turn-in to keep you happy. :d

[WA 2 FST]

Yeah, the stock Ford OEM air bag rear suspension is better than the coil spring stuff, I believe, but its not a "performance" type setup. It's a load-leveling deal. The one problem I have had with the truck was with the main feed line for the airbags splitting... they immediately deflated and it looked like a low-rider. Compressor was pumping like crazy, and of course did nothing since there was a big hole in the system. Seems to me like they could have a check valve in there that's set up for a minimum inflation level, so you don't lose _all_ the air. If we had been on a trip, we'd have been stuck. I drove the truck 5 miles to the dealer to have it repaired, and promptly replaced the rear shocks (they were done at 38k anyway) b/c they certainly took a beating.

I could use stock Lightning front springs which would work fine on the front...but you're right, I'd have to go with some sort of aftermarket setup in the rear.

I don't want to spend that much $$ on it, to be honest. It's the family hauler. ;) If I'm going to spend any kind of $$, it would be on an L engine.

[Tex Arcana]

Aw, come on.. you konw you wanna do it.. a hot paint job, the suspension mods, the engine, a bit of chrome or polish, and a fresh interior, and both the wife AND kids will be haulin' butt in style... :d