My observations about racing................

[Sixpipes]

I was able to watch different racing venues today (NASCAR justed started) and have made several observations.......

Although Formula 1 is extremely high-tech and the cars/drivers are probably the best in the world, it is more a soap opera than a race. A race which women will never get to participate in as drivers. This primarily because of the caveman mentality of European males in general. Great soap opera today as Raikonen lost his right front wheel on the last lap. Great theatre, but not great racing. :beer:

Indy Car racing is dominated by racing conglomerates (Penske, Andretti, Rahal, Foyt). Women are welcomed especially by those who understand the marketability of a very talented female driver (see also NHRA/Angele Savoie). Racing competition is excellent if you work for one of the big guys; if not, forget it.

NASCAR is dinosaur racing at its best. Bumper to bumper, but it seems like they are racing school buses after watching Formula 1 and Indy Car today. The anouncers never seem to run out of ways to butcher the English language.

My rankings of all three racing venues regarding the following subjects.

IQ of Drivers

1) Formula One
2) Indy Car
3) Snoop Doggy
4) NASCAR

Acceptance of women in the sport

1) Indy Car
2) NASCAR
3) WWF
4) Formula One (Accepted as umbrella carriers only)

Car Performance

1) Formula One
2) Indy Car
3) DART Bus
4) NASCAR

Preferred alcoholic beverage

1) Formula One - Wine/Sparkling Water
2) Indy Car - Mixed drinks/Champagne
3) NASCAR - Beer/Beer

Announcers' knowledge of their sport

1) Formula One
2) Indy Car
3) NASCAR (Anyone that starts the race with boogity, boogity, boogity automatically gets last place.)

A final observation

Most competitive drivers in all three venues are pretty small guys. There are exceptions such as Michael Waltrip and Michael Schumacher, but I think I could take at least 90% of these guys in a UFC-style cage match even at my advanced age. I would certainly be out-quicked, but few would be able to escape my devestating ground and pound attack once I pinned their scrawny little a$$es to the canvas. (I know the UFC comment doesn't have anything to do with racing, but as a Texan, most references to fighting whether in context or not are usually acceptable.) :cool:

[Tex Arcana]

BWAHAHAAA!!!
:rll::rll::rll::rll::rll::rll:

Damn, that was good.. thanks! The only thing I would change is the preferred drinks:

F1: wine/mixed drinks (you have no idea how plastered they get over there--hear about Raikkonen falling into a lake piss-drunk?? :rll:)
(others: no change)
NASCAR (or is that CRASHCAR?): piss/beer (because they drink that Amurrikin stuff that's just one step below horse weewee) :khana:

Hey, you mind if swipe this for another forum?? :tu: I'll give you credit if you wish. :d

[dboat]

Sixer,

I agree with you on all accounts. And the women that attend these events in order of intelligence, looks and golddiggerness are as follows:

1) Formula One - was there any doubt? May not always be the best looking but they can golddig with the very best

2) Indy Car

3) CrashCar- usually white trash at its best, which at times can be pretty darned good, but the others have a higher volume of the good stuff

Yes no women drivers in Formula One, but there have been precious few in any of them that you listed, and well Angolie (NHRA) is a motorcycle rider. (still pretty hot though) There was one other pretty good looking blonde female NHRA driver a few years back and she got out when she got pregnant, her brother was a driver too, think she drove Pro Stock but cant remember her name.. She got a fair amount of attention as well.

As far a the women being umbrella holders in F1, wellllll.... what's wrong with that? :evil :evil

Great post Dennis :bows

Dana

[Sixpipes]

Well, I don't mean to be disrespectful to any professional race drivers because I would have absolutely killed to be able to do that for a living. As a matter of fact, I am seeking a patent for a protective piece of equipment that I call the "Go_rilla" device. It provides protection for the driver's gonads, which we all know must be the size of coconuts to do what they do. Can't give you any details right now, but I'm going to make millions.

Also, as an observation, most drivers seem to be in great shape these days and most work out on a regular basis; exception that comes to mind would be Jimmy Spencer. I also want to clear up a misunderstanding for the NASCAR drivers. Staying in shape has positive benefits when racing around oval tracks due to G-force. I would like to clear up the term "G-force" for the NASCAR fans out there. G-force is the force of G-R-A-V-I-T-Y on your body when taking a corner. It does not stand for the force exerted on your G-O-N-A-D-S. :tu:

[Tex Arcana]

Well, I don't mean to be disrespectful to any professional race drivers because I would have absolutely killed to be able to do that for a living. As a mater of fact, I am seeking a patent for a protective piece of equipment that I call the "Go_rilla" device. It provides protection for the driver's gonads, which we all know must be the size of coconuts to do what they do. Can't give you any details right now, but I'm going to make millions.

Also, as an observation, most drivers seem to be in great shape these days and most work out on a regular basis; exception that comes to mind would be Jimmy Spencer. I also want to clear up a misunderstanding for the NASCAR drivers. Staying in shape has positive benefits when racing around oval tracks due to G-force. I would like to clear up the term "G-force" for the NASCAR fans out there. G-force is the force of G-R-A-V-I-T-Y on your body when taking a corner. It does not stand for the force exerted on your G-O-N-A-D-S. :tu:


F1 drivers have been working out like professional athletes since the late 70's, including doing their jobbing during the heat of the day, so they can be acclimated to the heat. :eek2:

Remember that little "drive swap" last year between Montoya and Gordon?? They ahd to tape extra padding in Montoya's cockpit, so Jeff could hold his head up while taking the turns. :eek2: And when they showed Derek Daly's drive of the Jordan, he said that he had to had an extra pad behind his helmet, because he couldn't hold it up against the ACCELERATION of the F1 car!!! :eek2:

Yeah, I'd say F1 is the one of the most brutal, right behind the Baja SCORE racers. :burnout:

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

You seem to have left out two very important venues of racing -- to wit:

Sports Car Racing ala LeMans, Sebring, Atlanta, NurnbergRing, Hockenheim, Aberbach ;)

Drag Racing:rolleyes:

Care to comment?:beer:

[Tex Arcana]

You seem to have left out two very important venues of racing -- to wit:

Sports Car Racing ala LeMans, Sebring, Atlanta, NurnbergRing, Hockenheim, Aberbach ;)

Drag Racing:rolleyes:

Care to comment?:beer:

Sprts Car: akin to F1, tho not as brutal and technologically advanced. REAL racing, tho, not this "turn left 10,000 times and crash when someone flicks a booger out the window" crap. :throw:

Drag racing: akin to "speed-masturbation": kinda fun to do, but gets boring real quick. knana

[Mark #2]

I was able to watch different racing venues today (NASCAR justed started) and have made several observations.......

Although Formula 1 is extremely high-tech and the cars/drivers are probably the best in the world, it is more a soap opera than a race. A race which women will never get to participate in as drivers. This primarily because of the caveman mentality of European males in general. Great soap opera today as Raikonen lost his right front wheel on the last lap. Great theatre, but not great racing. :beer:

Indy Car racing is dominated by racing conglomerates (Penske, Andretti, Rahal, Foyt). Women are welcomed especially by those who understand the marketability of a very talented female driver (see also NHRA/Angele Savoie). Racing competition is excellent if you work for one of the big guys; if not, forget it.

NASCAR is dinosaur racing at its best. Bumper to bumper, but it seems like they are racing school buses after watching Formula 1 and Indy Car today. The anouncers never seem to run out of ways to butcher the English language.

My rankings of all three racing venues regarding the following subjects.

IQ of Drivers

1) Formula One
2) Indy Car
3) Snoop Doggy
4) NASCAR

Acceptance of women in the sport

1) Indy Car
2) NASCAR
3) WWF
4) Formula One (Accepted as umbrella carriers only)

Car Performance

1) Formula One
2) Indy Car
3) DART Bus
4) NASCAR

Preferred alcoholic beverage

1) Formula One - Wine/Sparkling Water
2) Indy Car - Mixed drinks/Champagne
3) NASCAR - Beer/Beer

Announcers' knowledge of their sport

1) Formula One
2) Indy Car
3) NASCAR (Anyone that starts the race with boogity, boogity, boogity automatically gets last place.)

A final observation

Most competitive drivers in all three venues are pretty small guys. There are exceptions such as Michael Waltrip and Michael Schumacher, but I think I could take at least 90% of these guys in a UFC-style cage match even at my advanced age. I would certainly be out-quicked, but few would be able to escape my devestating ground and pound attack once I pinned their scrawny little a$$es to the canvas. (I know the UFC comment doesn't have anything to do with racing, but as a Texan, most references to fighting whether in context or not are usually acceptable.) :cool:

Nice post, I'll agree with most of it but:

I'll go out on a limb here:
Ryan Newman has an engineering degree from Purdue, I do not think Snoop or any of the F1 or Indy drivers have college degrees, but the F1 guys are bi.........lingual that is, so that requires some IQ.

F1 is very accepting of women, you have to go to a race in France, very accepting;)

I don't know of any Dart buses that go 200 MPH.:tongue:

What's wrong with Beer?

F1 announcers are very good.

Dale JR just wrecked Micheal so he should beat his little ass.

[Mark #2]

Okay, now it is an official CrashCar record. 21 cautions, and I'll bet it's not over yet. Oh but I'm sorry for wrecking you, I wish everyone was less PC in CrashCar like the old days. Time for fighting again.

Well I was right. Now at 22, I think 23 now with the red flag and not a mark on Bobbie Labonte's car:D

[Tex Arcana]

Nice post, I'll agree with most of it but:

I'll go out on a limb here:
Ryan Newman has an engineering degree from Purdue, I do not think Snoop or any of the F1 or Indy drivers have college degrees, but the F1 guys are bi.........lingual that is, so that requires some IQ.

F1 is very accepting of women, you have to go to a race in France, very accepting;)

I don't know of any Dart buses that go 200 MPH.:tongue:

What's wrong with Beer?

F1 announcers are very good.

Dale JR just wrecked Micheal so he should beat his little ass.


Michael Schumacher may not have a degree, but he's got the mind of an engineer, and his ability in that regard helped Ferrari become the powerhouse they are. ;)

ANd the F1 women are the hottest ever.

DART buses are more maneuverable, and they can turn right!! :eek2:

American beer is one step up from toxic waste, in taste, and one step below in alcohol content.

The SPEED announcers are excellent; the CBS pbp announcer should have his throat cut, the color guy Derek Daly is good.

Dale Jr. is a spare riding on his daddy's legacy. :tongue:

[Tex Arcana]

Okay, now it is an official CrashCar record. 21 cautions, and I'll bet it's not over yet. Oh but I'm sorry for wrecking you, I wish everyone was less PC in CrashCar like the old days. Time for fighting again.

Well I was right. Now at 22, I think 23 now with the red flag and not a mark on Bobbie Labonte's car:D

Hey, in the F1 race today, they *almost* set a record, in having a complete race without *one* mechanical failure, 'til Raikkonen went and blew up his suspension... :d

[dboat]

The main reason I liked the original Indycar race series and F1 is that they do roadcoarses. Indycar did ovals as well but both have to turn right and left.
The second reason is that in open wheel racing you have to actually pass somebody by using skill rather than rubbing, bumping or flat out pushing them into the wall. It takes driving skill, because if you let your tires hit a car or another set of tires in open wheel racing, then your chances of getting airborne are pretty darned good.
The split up of the indycar series into two racing leagues has been the ruination of both series. Face it, the Indy 500 aint what it used to be. My personal interest in Indycar type racing has greatly wained to the point where I seldom watch it. With Formula 1, while Michael Schumacher has been setting every record over the past few years, the series itself has been good. This year may be the least entertaining to me with the advent of the "one set of tires" rule. Which I personally find ridiculous. However, there are some new and fast drivers, and the other teams have worked hard to catch up and pass the Ferrari's. How much of it is Michael getting older and how much of it is tyre technology, I dont know, but it has made for an interesting year. (I am betting on the tyre tech being a huge factor).
Also, the open wheel guys, esp F1, race in the rain. Could you imagine if CrashCar decided to do that too :rll: :rll: ? Wouldnt that be a hoot.

Lastly, while the drivers dont have to sprint across the track, hop in their car, start it and drive away. The standing start in F1 and the subsequent sprint to the first corner is still one of the most exciting parts of motorsports. Imagine if the other series adopted it?

Tex,
I for one still love a good NHRA race event. Its one of those things that, while completely the opposite of F1, I do enjoy. I like going through the pits and watching the mechanics tear apart and engine and put it back together in an hour. I love the feel of the ground shaking as too 5000 HP vehicles leave the starting line. I love the smell of the tires as the drivers burnout and the smell of the exhaust and unburned fuel in the air. I like some of the characters that are/were in the series. How can one not like John Force? However, as the day wears on, the time between the heats does get to be a bit much, but I doubt that much can be done about it.

Dana

[Sixpipes]

Ryan Newman has an engineering degree from Purdue, I do not think Snoop or any of the F1 or Indy drivers have college degrees, but the F1 guys are bi.........lingual that is, so that requires some IQ.


Exception noted, but that does explain why Newman is so good at qualifying. He does have an inherent understanding of the coefficient of friction. Most of the other guys just say, "Dang, ever time I go too fast in the coner, my tars is slidin".

With regards to the NHRA, in person, the Top Fuel and Funny Cars are the most impressive show, IMO. Why anyone would climb into one of those things is beyond me. It doesn't require near the overall skills that the other forms of racing demand, but it is way cool. And most of those guys drink beer so I can relate. What's another 100 pounds when you are racing a 7,500 horsepower sled?

SCCA is cool and some of the top classes are pretty good, but there is too much diversity in sports car racing to make them a class. I've always wanted to race a Sunbeam Tiger in an SCCA class.

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4552675967&category=6472

And it is the right color too:nana2

[Tex Arcana]

The main reason I liked the original Indycar race series and F1 is that they do roadcoarses. Indycar did ovals as well but both have to turn right and left.
The second reason is that in open wheel racing you have to actually pass somebody by using skill rather than rubbing, bumping or flat out pushing them into the wall. It takes driving skill, because if you let your tires hit a car or another set of tires in open wheel racing, then your chances of getting airborne are pretty darned good.
The split up of the indycar series into two racing leagues has been the ruination of both series. Face it, the Indy 500 aint what it used to be. My personal interest in Indycar type racing has greatly wained to the point where I seldom watch it. With Formula 1, while Michael Schumacher has been setting every record over the past few years, the series itself has been good. This year may be the least entertaining to me with the advent of the "one set of tires" rule. Which I personally find ridiculous. However, there are some new and fast drivers, and the other teams have worked hard to catch up and pass the Ferrari's. How much of it is Michael getting older and how much of it is tyre technology, I dont know, but it has made for an interesting year. (I am betting on the tyre tech being a huge factor).
Also, the open wheel guys, esp F1, race in the rain. Could you imagine if CrashCar decided to do that too :rll: :rll: ? Wouldnt that be a hoot.

Lastly, while the drivers dont have to sprint across the track, hop in their car, start it and drive away. The standing start in F1 and the subsequent sprint to the first corner is still one of the most exciting parts of motorsports. Imagine if the other series adopted it?

Tex,
I for one still love a good NHRA race event. Its one of those things that, while completely the opposite of F1, I do enjoy. I like going through the pits and watching the mechanics tear apart and engine and put it back together in an hour. I love the feel of the ground shaking as too 5000 HP vehicles leave the starting line. I love the smell of the tires as the drivers burnout and the smell of the exhaust and unburned fuel in the air. I like some of the characters that are/were in the series. How can one not like John Force? However, as the day wears on, the time between the heats does get to be a bit much, but I doubt that much can be done about it.

Dana


I disagree about the tire rule thing: it has thorwn a hge wrench into the series that everyone is still trying to deal with, and it is partly why the mighty Ferrari team has fallen so hard of late. And it was a direct factor in the drama of Sunday's race, just ask Kimi :tu:. But--and I agree with the announcers here--maybe it's not such a good thing. And I hope they come to their senses and go back to the original "lightweight flying lap" qualifying rule, that was hella more exciting than the silliness they have now.

I can't disagree with you on the NHRA, the awesome power those cars produce is unquestionably the biggest draw, not to mention the potential for a fireball instead of a race. I just prefer the skill and sublety of continual driving on the edge, much like a drawn-out fencing match, or a tied hockey game where everyone has to be "ON", and one small slip makes the difference.

[Tex Arcana]

SCCA is cool and some of the top classes are pretty good, but there is too much diversity in sports car racing to make them a class. I've always wanted to race a Sunbeam Tiger in an SCCA class.

I saw one of those at Green Valley Raceway, lo those many moons ago, and it was embarrassing alot of the competition. The eBay link is a good chance, but something that rare is too much at risk for me, I think I'd rather a replica that I could have some fun with. :burnout:

[Moonshine]

And the women that attend these events in order of intelligence, looks and golddiggerness are as follows:


3) CrashCar- usually white trash at its best, which at times can be pretty darned good, but the others have a higher volume of the good stuff



Dana

Without disagreeing with your generalization I proudly confess that I lust after Teresa Earnhardt. :bows And, despite her syrupy southern drawl, she's a pretty sharp businesswoman.

[Shiner1]

Not to change the subject.....but this does have to do with racing. ESPN was reporting after the race that "unnamed sources" inside the league might consider a protest against Danika due to the weight advantage she has over the other drivers. She only weights 100lbs!! Do you think there is any truth to that or are they just pissed cause (all of them but 3) got their asses handed to them by a hottie?? :d I guess you have to get any advantage possible.

[Tex Arcana]

Not to change the subject.....but this does have to do with racing. ESPN was reporting after the race that "unnamed sources" inside the league might consider a protest against Danika due to the weight advantage she has over the other drivers. She only weights 100lbs!! Do you think there is any truth to that or are they just pissed cause (all of them but 3) got their asses handed to them by a hottie?? :d I guess you have to get any advantage possible.

bwahahah.. now the crying begins... typical, maybe they'll file suit and require a minimum driver weight as well, and force 'em to strap weights to her... either that, or ban wimmins. :hammer:

[dboat]

Not to change the subject.....but this does have to do with racing. ESPN was reporting after the race that "unnamed sources" inside the league might consider a protest against Danika due to the weight advantage she has over the other drivers. She only weights 100lbs!! Do you think there is any truth to that or are they just pissed cause (all of them but 3) got their asses handed to them by a hottie?? :d I guess you have to get any advantage possible.

I have heard that there might be a protest or that there might be a move for some rule changes. Although most of those guys are pretty little and dont weigh over 150 lbs. But a 50 lb advantage is pretty big.
I dont hear anything of the sort coming out of F1 with the couple of larger drivers in the Schumacher brothers. I think its crap personally. What are you going to do? weigh each driver just before the race and make them add ballast to bring the lightest driver up to the same weight as the others? Its just a bunch of :crying: :bs to me.
Dana

[Mark #2]

I have heard that there might be a protest or that there might be a move for some rule changes. Although most of those guys are pretty little and dont weigh over 150 lbs. But a 50 lb advantage is pretty big.
I dont hear anything of the sort coming out of F1 with the couple of larger drivers in the Schumacher brothers. I think its crap personally. What are you going to do? weigh each driver just before the race and make them add ballast to bring the lightest driver up to the same weight as the others? Its just a bunch of :crying: :bs to me.
Dana

Dana, F1 weighs drivers before and after the race. Total weight is the correct method. Drivers that are lighter still have an advantage because you can place the weight any where you want in the car. Yes even in CrashCar.
Mark

[skalywags]

the best racing - Supercross and Pro MX. No discounting skill needed or the physical aspect. It is one of the most demanding of ALL the sports.

[Tex Arcana]

I have heard that there might be a protest or that there might be a move for some rule changes. Although most of those guys are pretty little and dont weigh over 150 lbs. But a 50 lb advantage is pretty big.
I dont hear anything of the sort coming out of F1 with the couple of larger drivers in the Schumacher brothers. I think its crap personally. What are you going to do? weigh each driver just before the race and make them add ballast to bring the lightest driver up to the same weight as the others? Its just a bunch of :crying: :bs to me.
Dana

F1 regs state (no cut'n'paste here): "Cars must weigh no less than 605Kg (including the driver) during qualifying and at least 600Kg at all other times. Teams may use ballast to bring cars up to weight. This must be firmly secured to the cars. Ballast may not be removed or added during the race." And F1 teams arae looking for the lightest drivers they can find; if they find women drivers with the same or better skills than the men, they'll snag 'em up in a heatbeat.

[dboat]

Thanks for the education. I didnt realize that, although isnt that why one of the guys got sanctioned? because his car fell below the minimum weight? I guess I didnt connect the dots.
Ok, new rant.. I think the cars should have a min weight requirement but if one driver is fatter or taller or skinnier than another, then so be it.. :tu:

Dana

[Mark #2]

FYI, Thankfully F1 scrapped the 2 day qualifying and went back to the one day sessions on Saturday.

Honda was thrown out for 2 races for having like 5.5L of ballast in the fuel cell, or 12 lbs.:eek:

So I will agree with RG on this one, 100lbs may make a difference.

Why do you think some of us remove the seat, tailgate, spare tire, bed cover, sway bars, floor mats, socks, shoes, radar detector, etc. to get to 100lbs lighter.

[r1eater]

:rll:

[Tex Arcana]

FYI, Thankfully F1 scrapped the 2 day qualifying and went back to the one day sessions on Saturday.

Honda was thrown out for 2 races for having like 5.5L of ballast in the fuel cell, or 12 lbs.:eek:

So I will agree with RG on this one, 100lbs may make a difference.

Why do you think some of us remove the seat, tailgate, spare tire, bed cover, sway bars, floor mats, socks, shoes, radar detector, etc. to get to 100lbs lighter.

THey say on Speed that one gallon (~4 kilograms) is good for 0.1 seconds... iirc

Egh, I think it's sour grapes... one of these days, someone'll find a horse-jockey-sized driver that weighs 90lbs, that has the skill of Senna--imagine the bitching on THAT one!! :eek2:

I'm with Dana... set the minimum weight of the car, and the driver is fair game.

[my2002lightning]

Arie Luyendyk, Jr. evidently owns a '01 L. :nana2

http://www.arieluyendyk.com/about/index.php?page=personal

[dboat]

Arie Luyendyk, Jr. evidently owns a '01 L. :nana2

http://www.arieluyendyk.com/about/index.php?page=personal
:0fftopic

[dboat]

So I will agree with RG on this one, 100lbs may make a difference.
Who is RG?

[Mark #2]

Who is RG?

Robbie Gordon is the one that started all this weight stuff with Danika in the sporting news.

[Shiner1]

I understand that weight savings is important but would anyone care if she had finished 23rd or even say 12th. It's sad that some of these guys can't just say "hey, she ran a better race than I did".

[Tex Arcana]

I understand that weight savings is important but would anyone care if she had finished 23rd or even say 12th. It's sad that some of these guys can't just say "hey, she ran a better race than I did".
Yeah, those crybabies...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/texarcana/SMiles/needattention.jpg

[Mark #2]

I understand that weight savings is important but would anyone care if she had finished 23rd or even say 12th. It's sad that some of these guys can't just say "hey, she ran a better race than I did".

I didn't see any of them stall in the pits or spin out on cold tires under yellow, why no comments on the typical rookie mistakes at Indy?

Danica is overexposed now, she has no future.

Mark

[Lyfisin]

I heard a couple of guys talking on ESPN about it and I think one them is right when they said, "She needs to win". If she can't do that, her 15 minutes of fame will expire just like Janet what'shername (Guthrie I think it was) who was the first female Indy driver.


I only caught the last 25 laps or so of the race, but I enjoyed it. It seems like there were only about 14 cars left or so at that time. I hope all the other drivers that didn't finish are ok.

[Silver_2000]

Danica is overexposed now, she has no future.
Mark

Wanna bet ? 12 packs says she finishes in top 10 again this year

[Tex Arcana]

Danica is overexposed now, she has no future.

Mark
http://www.indymotorspeedway.com/05pics/danica107.jpg
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Yeah, I'd say she's a bit "overexposed"... :d

[Mark #2]

Wanna bet ? 12 packs says she finishes in top 10 again this year

12 packs of what?;)

She is number 9 in points, I am sure that she will finish in the top 10 many times this year.

First win will also come this year, maybe even this weekend. I am sick of her though, when I got up on Monday morning there she was on GMA, not the winner.:confused:

She won't last as long as Britney Spears.

[dboat]

Oh, I dont know.. she may last as long as Brittany Spears. But I agree, if she wins a few races, it helps the credibility factor. Although, Anna Kournikova did it for years without winning. But she isnt Anna K in the looks department either.
She is still pretty young, and if she continues to improve she will probably do fine. The CRASHCAR boys would run her off but in open wheel, she does have a chance.
But I understand how she is getting overhyped right now, but lets face it, that racing series doesnt have that much going for it except her right now.
Dana

[TP Derrick D]

Sixer,

I agree with you on all accounts. And the women that attend these events in order of intelligence, looks and golddiggerness are as follows:

1) Formula One - was there any doubt? May not always be the best looking but they can golddig with the very best

2) Indy Car

3) CrashCar- usually white trash at its best, which at times can be pretty darned good, but the others have a higher volume of the good stuff

Yes no women drivers in Formula One, but there have been precious few in any of them that you listed, and well Angolie (NHRA) is a motorcycle rider. (still pretty hot though) There was one other pretty good looking blonde female NHRA driver a few years back and she got out when she got pregnant, her brother was a driver too, think she drove Pro Stock but cant remember her name.. She got a fair amount of attention as well.

As far a the women being umbrella holders in F1, wellllll.... what's wrong with that? :evil :evil

Great post Dennis :bows

Dana
I don't know if you are thinking of Rhonda Hartman-Smith or not,but she drove top fuel dragsters and she was married to a TF dragster race
There is a female motorcycle racer ahead of Angelle in the points right now,I know her name just can't think of it right now. :mad: Angelle has a new last name for the 2nd time in less thaan 4 years. The 4 female drivers in Indy has been Janet Guthurie,Lynn St.James, Sara Fisher,Danicia Patrick.
Yeah ,I follow NASCAR for 30 years now, I grew up in Alabama where NASCAR was cool before it became cool, Talladega 500 & Daytona 500 with the Alabama gang Donnie & Bobby Allison ,NHRA for 18 years and INDY for 25 years or so just in the past 10 on a regular basis,but I use to watch Gordon Johncock,AJ Foyt ,The Unsers, Mario, Johnny Rutherford, well you guys get the picture. NO F1 FOR ME !!!

[Mark #2]

I don't know if you are thinking of Rhonda Hartman-Smith or not,but she drove top fuel dragsters and she was married to a TF dragster race
There is a female motorcycle racer ahead of Angelle in the points right now,I know her name just can't think of it right now. :mad: Angelle has a new last name for the 2nd time in less thaan 4 years. The 4 female drivers in Indy has been Janet Guthurie,Lynn St.James, Sara Fisher,Danicia Patrick.
Yeah ,I follow NASCAR for 30 years now, I grew up in Alabama where NASCAR was cool before it became cool, Talladega 500 & Daytona 500 with the Alabama gang Donnie & Bobby Allison ,NHRA for 18 years and INDY for 25 years or so just in the past 10 on a regular basis,but I use to watch Gordon Johncock,AJ Foyt ,The Unsers, Mario, Johnny Rutherford, well you guys get the picture. NO F1 FOR ME !!!

Yeah what ever happened to Sara Fisher, I liked her.
Mark