WWFB/P day

[Tex Arcana]

That's right, you heard it here first.. Will Work For Beer/Pizza session, courtesy of yours truly and Mike/PoorSVTMan. :tu:

SATURDAY, JUNE 25, 2005, NOON O'CLOCK :D

I've gotten my FRPP kit and my Helliwg sway bar in, and Mike was kind enough to offer up his garage, tools, expertise, and assistance in installing these items on my L. He's also said it's cool to invite anyone who wishes to join in/hang out. If it works out, we'll be doing my clunk washers as well (if the make it in), and the oil separator kit.

I will provide the beer (well, some of it anyway), the water (for those of use who prefer water), and the pizza. I will also provide some comic relief (we all know how much y'all like making fun of me!! PERFECT OPPORTUNITY to do it in person!). :tongue:

More details will come as an edit to this post, including times and maps. Please post up, let us know if you're gonna make it, so we can get enough beer/drinks together.

And thanks in advance to Mike, and to anyone else who shows up and pitches in. :tu:

EDIT: Based on what Mike said, unless we can twist his arm into moving his alighnment a bit earlier in the day, we best be there at the crack of noon if we want to get done and not be rushed.

I will have the drinks there, if someone get drunk and dies, it's not my responsibility [/legal disclaimer] And if ya kill someone else and don't die, I'll kill ya myself. :evil The pizza will be oredered during the seesion.

No matter who shows up, I thank you all in advance, especially Mike, for his tools and expertise and kindness. :tu:

[PoorSvtman]

Probly start around noon or so... Im planing on getting an alignment on my L sat. morning. Ive got some evening plans but we can get as much done as we can.

[Lyfisin]

I'll probably come for educational reasons. I'll likely extend the length of the install by 20% with all my questions.

I'm assuming this is Saturday?

[Beaudee]

Iwill be @ the lewissville party cove.Looking for female helpers who WSFPB Will Strip For Party Beads!! :d

[PoorSvtman]

If anyone needs my addy that is coming pm me or Tex....

I expect some of the local guys to swing by and atleast have a beer and some laughs

[Nuhklz]

If anyone needs my addy that is coming pm me or Tex....

I expect some of the local guys to swing by and atleast have a beer and some laughs

I'll probably swing by :tu:

[99WhiteBeast]

I may make a guest appearance but can't hang long- wedding to go to at 2pm

[Tex Arcana]

I may make a guest appearance but can't hang long- wedding to go to at 2pm

Well, hell, you don't really need to be there... I mean, once she sinks the nose ring in place, that's all that REALLY matters, so sending a mannequin would do the trick... :d

[Lyfisin]

Egads. I just realized I had to drive down to Steve's early in the morning then back to Allen then back to Arlington.

Busy day. :)

[PoorSvtman]

Want to say sorry if my mom starts drooling on anyones L. Mainly Larrys.. damn his truck is just sick....
Haha nah mom is a cool cat... shes an old autocrosser and usualy helps me work on my ride when no one else is around.

[PoorSvtman]

Just finished installing the springs,hangers, front sway.... Jason helped out on the shackels for a bit. Bad Larrys rims are just pure Sex!

Tex is out in my garage doing his massive separator install.....

[Nuhklz]

We may have found the new A-Town hang out. :D

[PoorSvtman]

If theres a need for a-town garage, mine is always open..... :beer:

[Lyfisin]

I had a great time. Sorry I had to leave a little early. :(

[PoorSvtman]

Its all good brook :tu: . Hope you learned some new things.

Also Tex, was late so i think from now on we need to set the time a bit earlier so he will be on time :evil

[Tex Arcana]

Wow.. what a day... talk about some excellent times!!

First off: Mike, Joey: thanks for all your hard work. You guys did a great job, and the damn truck hauls friggin' ASS now!! :tu: You guys rock!! knana Also, Mike's Mom, Debbie: thanks for letting us use your garage, you are the coolest mom on the planet! ;)

Second off: to the guy who showed (Jason, Brook, Greg, Larry): thanks for y'alls support, even if you just stood around and gabbed. Jason, special thanks to you for putting hands and wrenches to the right shackle.

All in all, the day went very well. I'll post up pics of the work and how the truck looks, likely tomorrow, when I get the "after" pics.

Again, thanks for all y'alls support: it was most appreciated. If all involved ever make it to a meeting (this means you MIKE, take an early day off, dammit!), I'm buying the bunch of y'all a round of :beer: .

Great job, let's do this again soon.

:tu:

[PoorSvtman]

Second off: to the guy who showed (Jason, Brook, Greg, Larry): .

Greg = Gary :tu:

No problem.. Glad You happy with the results... What i want to know is hows that sway

[PoorSvtman]

where the heck are the pics at? your slacking Tex.

[Tex Arcana]

where the heck are the pics at? your slacking Tex.

Hey, be patient: I'm on friggin' DIALUP... it takes FOREVER... :(

[Tex Arcana]

Okay, here we go... the pics:

I thought about posting the "before" pics, but changed my mind, and will post them last, to show the comparison.

Here's the parts, in boxes, after getting to Mikes:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0046.jpg

Mmmm.... some FRPP lowering kit goodness...
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0047.jpg

Brook putting grease in the shackle bushings... yes, he's actually working! :eek2:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0048.jpg

Jason working on the passenger side shackle:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0049.jpg

Stock shackle:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0051.jpg

New shackle going in:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0055.jpg

Mike on the driver's side shackle:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0060.jpg

Joey helping Mike with the spring:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0063.jpg

Shackles done:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0065.jpg

[Tex Arcana]

Front going up:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0066.jpg

Mike and Joey pulling down the front suspensions:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0070.jpg
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0072.jpg
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0074.jpg

The slacker crew: Gary, Brook, and Larry, holding up their ends of the bargain!! :tongue:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0076.jpg

Mike about to pull the upper control arm bolts--only to find out that the cam bolts were already in there!! That's about $70 I'll be getting back!
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0077.jpg

Joey taking a break, while Mike does the real work, Brook doing his damnedest to slow things down--UNSUCCESSFULLY, I might add! :d
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0081.jpg

Now Mike takes a break while Brook slacks off some more:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0082.jpg

[Tex Arcana]

Right front eviscerated:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0083.jpg

Stock vs. the FRPP springs:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0084.jpg

NOw it's going back together:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0085.jpg
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0087.jpg
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0088.jpg

Now it's Mike's turn to slack off:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0089.jpg


Stock sway bar vs. the Hellwig:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0090.jpg
Dang... the Hellwig's big as a tree trunk!! :eek2:

Joey and Mike trying to put it in upside-down:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0091.jpg

Okay, now it's right:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0093.jpg

[Tex Arcana]

The end link hardware sent by Hellwig/Summit was WAY too long for this application, so we recycled the stock bolts and spacers:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0098.jpg

But the bolts were STILL too long, so we took one of the Hellwig spacer tubes and cut a pair of 3/4" spacers for the end links:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0099.jpg

Yep, that works now:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0100.jpg
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0110.jpg

Now for the bump stops... stock compared the the FRPP supplied piece:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0111.jpg

Stock bumpstop in place--think maybe I've been hitting them on a regular basis?? :d
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0112.jpg

New bumpstop in place on passenger side:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0114.jpg

[Tex Arcana]

Driver's side: Houston, we have a problem... :(
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0115.jpg
We couldn't find the other FRPP bumpstop!! :eek2: We looked high and low, Mike even called Jason to see if he had absconded with it (since we discovered his L is riding on its bumpstops, we thought he maybe swiped it!! JUST KIDDING, Jason! :d). Finally, Mike just went ahead and put in these conical ones he had laying around. This shows the difference between the FRPP bumpstop and Mike's stops:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0117.jpg

Of course, after we had 'em all in and the truck down, we were cleaning up and I was about to take it for a test spin, when we found the missing stop: dummy me had laid it on the topper rail, and then we shut it atop it; we didn't find it 'til I went to close the tailgate!! :mad: So I've got an extra set of bumpstops if anyone needs any... :tu:

But, before all that, I put in the oil separator kit:

Passenger side:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0118.jpg
Driver side:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0119.jpg

I did it the way I described in the oil-separator thread--at least, I *thought* I had, for some reason I couldn't quite remember how the driver's side needed to be plumbed; and to top that off, I lost one of the valve discs in a check valve, so it wasn't gonna work right to begin with. :(

[Tex Arcana]

So, on that note, I hit the road and headed home. GAWD, I can't believe how well that thang corners now!! :eek2: Makes me wish I did this sooner!

And, no, the story ain't over (get another cuppa joe, Rocks, yer gonna need it): Me and my wife met with Ronald and Elaine for dinner, and I took the truck to show him how it looked and all. When we got done eating, he and I went for a spin in the truck, with a few WOT runs and some hard turns, then back to their place to upload most of the pics. However, we smelled some oil coming from under the hood--and, lo and behold, the dipstick was out about an inch! :flaming: Idjit me, I screwed up the check valve arrangement. So after uploading the pics, Ronald and I went out to pull the passenger side work, and just put the separator in with no valves, thusly:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0140.jpg
THis shows the system today, after driving home from Ronald's, and after running an errand for the wife (which had a couple of WOT runs); it's already collecting oil, and properly. The other side:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0142.jpg
isn't showing anything. I can't tell if it's flowing "properly" or not, so I've got to have a longer look at things. I've also got steel wool in the lines directly above the valve covers, to act as a filter.


Okay, here are the before and after pics:

Before:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0031.jpg

After:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0124.jpg

Before:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0034.jpg

After:
http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/albums/WWFB-lowering-kit/PICT0127.jpg

The gallery is located here (http://viral-humanity.info/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=WWFB-lowering-kit&page=1), and there are pics of a tapemeasure on each wheel, starting with the right front, going around to the left front.

Total drops:

Right front: 1-3/4"; right rear: 1-1/8"; left rear: 1-3/8"; left front: 1-11/16".

These drops have me a bit confused: shouldn't've they been 1" in front, and 2" in back?? THe shackles are in the highest hole, which *should* be 2" total. If someone can shed some light on this, I'll be grateful for it.

As for the kit and the sway: DAMN. Just DAMN. It's a smidgen harsher, and until I get it aligned, I won't know how much, but it definitely handles better, reacts more quickly, and corners flatter. Also, under acceleration, it doesn't seem to rock back as much.

Anyway, there it is.. it probably gave Rocks an anyeurism, but what the hey. :evil:

Again, thanks to Mike, Joey, and the rest... it was a great day. :tu::beer:

[PoorSvtman]

Glad you like the results. Ill have to get a ride and feel that sway bar... Sucker is huge compared to the stocker.

[Tex Arcana]

Glad you like the results. Ill have to get a ride and feel that sway bar... Sucker is huge compared to the stocker.

You got it... as soon as I get it aligned.

That's 1-7/16" SOLID 3430... MAJOR sway control...

[dboat]

Tex,

Looks good, nice post.. good pics...

Dana

[wesman]

Sweet....I need to install my front springs..I may need those bump stops if you wanna part with them....how hard a job was it ?


--wes

[PoorSvtman]

Sweet....I need to install my front springs..I may need those bump stops if you wanna part with them....how hard a job was it ?


--wes

It pretty darn easy.. If you wan to do yours let me know. You can use my tools or ill help you.

[wesman]

I would have come over and watched/helped....to be honest I didn't know what the hell the subject line was so I didn't read it until almost after you guys were done.

Next little get together you guys have let me know and I'll come by and we can knock em out.

--wes

[Tex Arcana]

I would have come over and watched/helped....to be honest I didn't know what the hell the subject line was so I didn't read it until almost after you guys were done.

Next little get together you guys have let me know and I'll come by and we can knock em out.

--wes

Hell, where do you think I learned what "wwfb" means?? THIS PLACE!!:d

Should'a looked... :tongue:... but next time, you'll know better... ;)

[my2002lightning]

The stance looks much better and yours certainly seems to handle better than my L, John. :banana:

I'm thinking Elaine needs one of these Hotchkis outfits for her upcoming birthday. :D

[03LightningRocks]

Nice picture thread, Tex....:D . Not to worry about the aneurysm :cool: , maybe you could give picture posting lessons to Terry and Ronald....perfect size:tu: .


Truck looks good too....


Rocks

[Tex Arcana]

Nice picture thread, Tex....:D . Not to worry about the aneurysm :cool: , maybe you could give picture posting lessons to Terry and Ronald....perfect size:tu: .


Truck looks good too....


Rocks

Thanks Rocks.. I'm lovin' it... :d

I screwed up today, tho: I forogt to take pics of the clunk-washer install. But I did (maybe) "discover" a way to eash installation a bit: put the jack under the back arm where the clunks go, to help align the hole a bit.

It was pretty easy, besides accidentally pulling the wrong bolt :hammer:, and having to break the bolts loose.

NOw, tomorrow, I get it aligned. :tu:

[Texan_Eagle_Scout]

You got it... as soon as I get it aligned.

That's 1-7/16" SOLID 3430... MAJOR sway control...


Hey John (Tex),
How many times did you tell me that a hollow (read: lighter) swaybar was better than a solid (read: heavy) bar of equal diameter, given the torsional stiffness of each... A Which one is it man? Make up your mind!
http://www.talonclub.com/forum/images/smilies/nana.gif


BTW: The stance on the truck looks nice. Not too much not too little...:bows

Texan Eagle Scout

[Tex Arcana]

Hey John (Tex),
How many times did you tell me that a hollow (read: lighter) swaybar was better than a solid (read: heavy) bar of equal diameter, given the torsional stiffness of each... A Which one is it man? Make up your mind!
http://www.talonclub.com/forum/images/smilies/nana.gif


BTW: The stance on the truck looks nice. Not too much not too little...:bows

Texan Eagle Scout

A solid bar of a given diameter is always stiffer than any hollow bar of the same outer diameter; the key to hollow bars is you can cut weight up to 15% with 90% of the torsional stiffness of the similar solid bar.

THe choice of the Hellwig was twofold: one was price, the other was the torsional stiffness. THe kit is nice, and included everything I needed to install it, and I love that price; and now I'm loving that flat cornering. :nana:

[mafiaman8402]

Before the install Mike told me that he was done doing performance and suspension on his truck for a long time. After doing your sway bar, all he has talked about is getting that big a$$ thing for his truck. Haha just messing with ya Mike.

[Tex Arcana]

Before the install Mike told me that he was done doing performance and suspension on his truck for a long time. After doing your sway bar, all he has talked about is getting that big a$$ thing for his truck. Haha just messing with ya Mike.
Yeah, yeah.. we all konw about the moddin' bug.. once bitten, ya can't stop yerself... :tu:

[Cammin4V]

no air tools? consider me spoiled.. :o

[PoorSvtman]

no air tools? consider me spoiled.. :o


I have air tools... Just dont use them much. I use them all day and to be honest its the last thing i want to hear after work and to use. Im actualy faster with out airtools