between the looting and the shooting at rescuers - I say let them marinate in it

[Silver_2000]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050901/ap_on_re_us/katrina_superdome_evacuation_hk1

**** like this just makes it tough to have sympathy ....

Doug

[Moonshine]

**** like this just makes it tough to have sympathy ....


I was beginning to wonder if it was just me feeling that way.

[ThunderBolt]

Read this fellas personal experience.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1174992&forum_id=26

[Silver_2000]

one thing to remember in all this is that the typical homeowners policy DOESNT cover Flooding

So the percentage of people that DONT have insurance is likely over 80%

It wont sink in for a while that people are uninsured - then Bush will sign a law that says that the govt ( you and I ) will pick up part of the tab to rebuild even the uninsured ... That pisses me off.. I mean on one side I want people to have homes to go back to but - personal responsibility shoudl kick in somewhere - the area is evacuated and you igore the evac order and stay - and now you are pissed cause you arent being resused fast enough, and to convince the rescue helicopters to come back for you you decide to shoot at them.. :hammer: :eek:

Finally you live a few block from the ocean a few feet abouve sea level ( or under sea level in New Orleans and you dont have flood insurance .... :eek: :rolleyes:

It all just makes by blood pressure rise.

Having said all that this morning I boxed up about $1000 worth of diabetes supplies and overnighted them ( for $90 ) to an organization that is taking the stuff down to be distributed.

Doug

[Moonshine]

Nor does it cover civil insurrection, so if you managed to survive the hurricane and flooding, but get cleaned out by the looters, you may be SOL.

[Wht95Lightning]

then Bush will sign a law that says that the govt ( you and I ) will pick up part of the tab to rebuild even the uninsured The problem is that you don't have to be insured to VOTE.

[L8 APEX]

I wonder if other countries are sending mechanized assistance and millions in aid:rolleyes: . I wouldn't mind making my contribution to the relief effort in lead for looter arses:tu: . It reminds me of the 9th grade school when riots would break out. The same people acting the exact same way. It really makes you wonder how we ever keep them in line to begin with:bs .

[ThunderBolt]

[QUOTE]the area is evacuated and you igore the evac order and stay - and now you are pissed cause you arent being resused fast enough, and to convince the rescue helicopters to come back for you you decide to shoot at them..

I'm hearing stories about people dying in the street. Don't be surprized if law suits follow...
This is going to be one big mess!

[StormShadow]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/paradigm750/necessities_only.jpg

I can understand breaking into a store and getting food etc but this is retarded!

[StormShadow]

Here is a clip of a Weatherman and a dumb ass News Anchor getting into it on the air.

http://retrospection.net/videofiles/hurricanekat.php

Here is a link to a live report. The reporter see's a guy walking his dog and ask's him why he is still there. His reply "None of your ****ing business"

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/08/28.html#a4676

[tliss]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/paradigm750/necessities_only.jpg

I can understand breaking into a store and getting food etc but this is retarded!

Who needs food at a time like this? Man, we can bust into stores and take sh!t before it gets damaged by the flood. We're doing this store a favor...

It's absolutely sickening that a disaster like this turns people into residents of third- and fourth-world countries. It freaking imbarrasses me to this crap happening on our soil. Those that are looting will get theirs...what worries me is all those people that are stuck there and just trying to stay alive. It is going to get uglier yet.

Tom

[WA 2 FST]

Who needs food at a time like this? Man, we can bust into stores and take sh!t before it gets damaged by the flood. We're doing this store a favor...

It's absolutely sickening that a disaster like this turns people into residents of third- and fourth-world countries. It freaking imbarrasses me to this crap happening on our soil. Those that are looting will get theirs...what worries me is all those people that are stuck there and just trying to stay alive. It is going to get uglier yet.

Tom

Tom, I'm in total agreement with you. And I know this is going to sound really bad, but I am not sure this disaster "turned" anyone into acting like those in 3rd/4th-world countries. I think most of the population in that area that are carrying out these acts of violence (heard that people are being raped/murdered in the convention center where lots of them are holed up) are no different than those barbarians we see in the middle east and elsewhere. Just b/c they live in the US unfortunately doesn't mean anything... these people basically live in their own 3rd-world country there, and have been acting accordingly long before this catastrophe. Even then, I would say the horrific stories we see/hear about are the vast minority of people that are carrying this out.

I sincerely hope the 28,000+ MPs going into there will "clean house" and shoot to kill anyone who offers resistance.

I heard that there is some law that police are not allowed to shoot looters (don't know if this was local law or what). Maybe someone who knows can verify the validity of this. If its true, I don't understand it. I heard one officer interviewed who said he would like to shoot them, tag them as a "looter" and just move on to the next area of concern.

Doug... I have asked the same questions about people who continually get bailed out in CALI when the mudslides hit, earthquakes, etc. I think the govt/insurance co/whoever should write you ONE check, and then just say "you build there again, its at your own risk." These are high risk areas, and I know that insurance is higher there, but like you said 80+% of those people affected here in a catastrophic way certainly do not have insurance. Then again, no matter where we live there is some amount of risk involved. But to perpetuate it by spending good $$ after bad when anyone with half a mind _knows_ there is a good chance of the property getting wiped out again, irritates me.

Then the fact you have 3/4 of a metropolis built below sea level less than a few miles from an ocean (ok, gulf...same thing when we're talking potential of natural disaster). I have to wonder aloud if the local, state and economic GAIN of having New Orleans back up and running at 100% capacity is worth the pending cost of what it will take to rebuild it ... especially with the potential of this happening again. Supposedly there are already a few congressmen in DC wandering the same thing. I hate to simplify things, but to me its all economic. If its cheaper to clean it up and level it, and move everything inland... then do it. The people living/working there are already displaced and will be for probably a year. Businesses who headquartered there will find other places to locate to.

Oh...and what is just as sick as stuff like we are seeing is the fake charitable agencies that are popping up trying to profit/steal from those of us who actually want to help with a monetary donation. Those are more "white collar" crimes, but just as bad as stealing some shoes/clothes from a store.

None of this changes the sadness and hurt of those people directly affected (after all its just hitting us in the wallet a little bit), and I'm truly sorry for them, and don't want to make light of it.

[99WhiteBeast]

I feel sorry for those that truly couldn't get out due to their economic situation or medical conditions.

It makes no sense to me to rebuild anything in SE LA other than the Port, Refineries, and offshore rigs. Let nature take its course (fill the bowl) because it will most likely happen again

[L8 APEX]

Marcailis Wallace in Pulp Fiction said it best. "Pride only hurts, it never helps. Fark pride!". Pride driven rebuilding of New Orleans will only hurt this country. They need to write it off as a total loss and lesson in engineering. It should only be a industrial, shipping, pipeline hub.

[mustgofaster]

What amazes me is that in just a matter of days, people have turned into primitive animals. I can see looting a store for life giving food & water, but I've seen more people with shoes, TV's and other things like that than anything else. There are people rapeing women, robbing & beating people, shooting @ their would-be rescuers. Seriously... WTF?!!? They are on TV complaining about how long it is taking to get help. Do they have any idea, the scope of this disaster? Do they have any idea how many people are in need of rescue? I don't care how well you plan, how do you rescue tens, upon tens of thousands of people in mere days? These are the very same people that should have evacuated when the order was given in the first place. That leads to my next question... Who in thier right mind stays in a city that is below sea level, while a cat 5 hurricane is bearing down on them? I realize that there are a few people that simply could not evacuate, but that is only a handful of the people that stayed behind.
Maybe if these people put as much effort into helping themselves, as they put into rapeing, and pillaging what is left of thier meager city.... Maybe if they put as much effort into helping each other through this catastrophe, as they have put into complaining about the situation, then maybe, just maybe, they might be able to victors instead of victims.... Maybe then they could be a civilized human being that contributes to society.
I feel sorry for the handfull of good people that are mired in the sespool of devients that have taken over New Orleans.
OK... Rant over

[StormShadow]

What amazes me is that in just a matter of days, people have turned into primitive animals. I can see looting a store for life giving food & water, but I've seen more people with shoes, TV's and other things like that than anything else. There are people rapeing women, robbing & beating people, shooting @ their would-be rescuers. Seriously... WTF?!!? They are on TV complaining about how long it is taking to get help. Do they have any idea, the scope of this disaster? Do they have any idea how many people are in need of rescue? I don't care how well you plan, how do you rescue tens, upon tens of thousands of people in mere days? These are the very same people that should have evacuated when the order was given in the first place. That leads to my next question... Who in thier right mind stays in a city that is below sea level, while a cat 5 hurricane is bearing down on them? I realize that there are a few people that simply could not evacuate, but that is only a handful of the people that stayed behind.
Maybe if these people put as much effort into helping themselves, as they put into rapeing, and pillaging what is left of thier meager city.... Maybe if they put as much effort into helping each other through this catastrophe, as they have put into complaining about the situation, then maybe, just maybe, they might be able to victors instead of victims.... Maybe then they could be a civilized human being that contributes to society.
I feel sorry for the handfull of good people that are mired in the sespool of devients that have taken over New Orleans.
OK... Rant over

I see your point. I do feel guilty sometimes though when I go lay down in my bed or when I go to the fridge to get a cold drink etc. I have already put my name on the list for whenever they decide to send the phone company to rebuild the communications network for the Gulf Coast Area.

[PoorSvtman]

New Orleans residents wait to be rescued from the floodwaters of Hurricane Katrina Wednesday, Aug. 31, 2005 in New Orleans. (AP Photo/David J. Phillip)
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050901/capt.ladp14209010018.hurricane_katrina_ladp142.jpg ?x=276&y=345&sig=yx.U2M3ZcVOswG85.TOYCg--

this is by far the BEST pic i have seen so far... I mean they have a damn boat. The motor is gone but the thing still floats, yet they sit there and do nothing. I would be making some kind of paddels and getting out of there.



Also these people had 2 damn weeks notice. The storm was the worst category yet they didnt leave. Yes some couldnt do to health but im sorry it hit florida and people died and it got worse and it got closer and they just sat there. Not the smartest people.

I was going to leave and go down there with my friends construction business but the word got to me to late.

[PoorSvtman]

i also heard on the radio this morning that other countries are wanting to help out but we are turning them down.. WTF is that.. We always help them why cant we let them help us....

[99WhiteBeast]

This is fast turning into the blame war for political gain.

Jeers to Mayor of NO Ray Nagin for blasting the federal government for lack of response. The local and state government failed miserable with no contingency plan for the soup bowl collapsing. This scenario has been talked about for more than a decade yet the local government had no stored water and food on high grounds, no military type radios for communication, and no chain of command. They also should have forced the evacuation in any way possible before it came to this.

Remember this folks we're talking 90,000 square miles of destruction and devastation not ONE square mile like 911. It simply takes time to coordinate and plan.

The only thing I think they could have done better is make air drops of food and water into and around the Convention Center and Superdome and let the people sort it out which probably wouldn't have been pretty

[my2002lightning]

"It's a fool that looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart." :cool:

[StormShadow]

Police Looting the Wal*Mart http://www.filecabi.net/v/file/hurricane-katrina-police-loot/wmv

[03LightningRocks]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050901/capt.ladp14209010018.hurricane_katrina_ladp142.jpg ?x=276&y=345&sig=yx.U2M3ZcVOswG85.TOYCg--

this is by far the BEST pic i have seen so far... I mean they have a damn boat. The motor is gone but the thing still floats, yet they sit there and do nothing. I would be making some kind of paddels and getting out of there.



That is one funny darned picture Mike, and sums up the mentality going on there well. They probably stole the darned boat and then before they could sell it...their son stole the motor and traded it for a crack rock.

It just kills me how many people think the Government owes them something.


Rocks

[03LightningRocks]

Police Looting the Wal*Mart http://www.filecabi.net/v/file/hurricane-katrina-police-loot/wmv


Funny...just goes to show, putting a badge on somebody doesn't change the basic make up of the person. Probably meter maids anyway. I bet they where just trying to save that stuff from being stolen....yeah...that's it....we be hepin out da walmart folks...ya...dats it.

:rll: :rll: :rll:

[ThunderBolt]

Police Looting the Wal*Mart http://www.filecabi.net/v/file/hurricane-katrina-police-loot/wmv
LOL! "I'm looking for looters" She must be blind! LOL!

[PoorSvtman]

That is one funny darned picture Mike, and sums up the mentality going on there well. They probably stole the darned boat and then before they could sell it...their son stole the motor and traded it for a crack rock.

It just kills me how many people think the Government owes them something.


Rocks


Exactly they want something for nothing.... Tech and I at work were talking about this... The people that had insurance will probly only get so little but the people that didnt have anything will get a damn mansion built after all this and the people that took responsibilty to have insurance wont get enought to even cover there loses.

[Moonshine]

An interesting perspective;

An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the Welfare State

An Objectivist Review

by Robert Tracinski | The Intellectual Activist

September 2, 2005

It has taken four long days for state and federal officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it has also taken me four long days to figure out what is going on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are confronting a natural disaster.

If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild.

Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists--myself included--did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.

But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.

The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has gotten the story wrong.

The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen over the past four days. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.

The man-made disaster is the welfare state.

For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave in an emergency--indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country.

When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).

So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?

To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a description from a Washington (http://washington/) Times story:

"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.

"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire....

"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders.

"'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets,' she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will.' "

The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article shows National Guard troops, with rifles and armored vests, riding on an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks exactly like a scene from SadrCity in Baghdad.

What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers to drive away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Super Dome?

Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help them?

My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage last night on Fox News Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the RobertTaylorHomes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in America. "The projects," as they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished (http://demolished/).)

What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"--the informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels--gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of the 300,000 or so who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects. Jack Wakeland then gave me an additional, crucial fact: early reports from CNN and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the prisoners in the city's jails--so they just let many of them loose. There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations--that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects, and vice versa.

There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit--but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals--and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep--on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.

All of this is related, incidentally, to the apparent incompetence of the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. But in a city corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters--not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency.



(continued)

[Moonshine]

(article continuation)

No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact, some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism." But the truth is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism.
What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the government hasn't taken care of them. They don't use the chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.

But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them.



The welfare state--and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and encourages--is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting.



Source: TIA Daily -- September 2, 2005

[StormShadow]

I heard on the news they are bringing some of the refugees to Midlothian. :rolleyes:

[03LightningRocks]

That is about the most honest description of what is going on in N.O. that I have read to date.

The frustration and intollerance that I feel is inspired and further driven by the fact that main stream media outlets refuse to tell the truth, for fear of being tagged racists.

Fact is....alot...actually most of these folks have been conditioned by a welfare system designed to keep them down. Whether it was intentional or not...and whether these people realize it or not.


Rocks:bows

[ThunderBolt]

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[dboat]

I spent weeks in New Orleans in the French Quarter working at a hospital there, trying to straighten out some clinics. In doing so I met some really nice and wonderful people. I also got to know that 1 out of every 3 people in New Orleans proper is illiterate. We had to have staff fill out registration forms for them to put their "X" on the bottom. It gets even dicier to try to find decent staff there. There are national companies that will not do business in New Orleans, Best Buy for one, why because its a bad place to do business and its corruption is out of control. In fact, New Orleans is the only city in the last 20 years to have its population actually decrease. The rates for workers comp are some of the highest in the nation in NO.. why, because its a free ride once you start making that first claim...
If I ever go back there it will be too soon. I always felt like I needed to take a shower when I left because it was so filthy, and supposedly, they clean the sidewalks. Well, you couldnt tell it by me. The food is supposed to be great? well, as long as its cajun food, if you are looking for anything else, forget it. I think we would be crazy to let folks take insurance money or our hard earned tax dollars and rebuild in a city that is below sea level and lake level. I think you should only be able to get the check if you rebuild outside of the city. You want to build inside, do it at your own expense. In fact, I would prefer that they dont allow any building inside the city and just blow up the levees and let it flood.. probably would make for some good fishing one day...
ok, rant off... I really dont like that place...
how soon before they start putting those folks in Reunion Arena?
Dana

[Shiner1]

Lots of folks down there now. I spent the day there trying to help out in the medical areas. More sick folks than you can shake a stick at. It's hard to feel sorry for the idiots, but there are lots of old folks and very young children who didn't have a choice and got caught up in this with no way out. I took care of 8 or 10 children that have no parents here.

[dboat]

Lots of folks down there now. I spent the day there trying to help out in the medical areas. More sick folks than you can shake a stick at. It's hard to feel sorry for the idiots, but there are lots of old folks and very young children who didn't have a choice and got caught up in this with no way out. I took care of 8 or 10 children that have no parents here.

Thank you for helping... I can not disagree that some folks are not able to help themselves and need folks like you and thousands of others to step up. Those are in the minority in my opinion, its the others that are causing these issues.
As reported on Fox News this morning that there are thousands that do not want to leave NO even though the first floor is flooded and they are living on 2nd, 3rd.. floors without electricity and water.. it was reported that some electric has been restored to areas in the French Qtr and some water service, although the potability of the water was questionable.
Dana

[Sixpipes]

It is hard for me to have sympathy for the mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of Louisiana. All they have done is complain about the federal government's lack of response. Where is the emergency evacuation plan for New Orleans? Where was the mayor and the governor when it came time to help out the people they were elected to serve? Why is it always all about them?

When is the last time there was money spent to upgrade and improve the levee system. Why wasn't money spent on prevention and protection of the people of New Orleans. All they have to do is look in the mirror to find the ones responsible for this disorganized disaster. Extremely poor leadership when all you can do is whine about the federal government not stepping in fast enough. Those are the very same people that complain about the federal government meddling in state affairs when they are being investigated for federal crimes and corruption.

There is a basic problem of accessability in New Orleans. That's what happens when you build a city in a toilet bowl. I didn't see the governors of Mississippi or Alabama complaining about the feds. I didn't see the mayors of Gulfport or Mobile standing around whining about not getting help from the feds. The bottom line is the city of New Orleans and the elected officials of Louisiana failed their own people.

What has taken place and is currently going on in the gulf coast region of Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana is a disaster of biblical proportions. There will be plenty of time to place blame after all this is over, but the first responders to this tragedy should have been the local and state governments responsible for protecting and providing for their citizens. Thousands of people have died because the city and the state did not prepare for an event that everyone had predicted would eventually occur. Shame on them for placing the blame for this disaster on others when they had the authority, the funds and the ability to reinforce the levee system and possibly prevent the significant loss of life that has occured in New Orleans.

The looting and violence does not surprise me nor does it upset me that much. It is nothing more than an expression of the welfare state that Louisiana has become. What's mine is mine and whats yours is mine if I can get it leaves no room for the hard working law abiding citizens of Louisiana (of which there are a bunch). Those are the folks that are really suffering because they have every expectation of going back to work, picking up the pieces, and rebuilding their lives. That's much too difficult for someone that wants to complain and whine about what they don't have, especially when they didn't work for it to start with. :cool:

[Shiner1]

Yesterday there were more people complaining about their local govt. than the feds. As far as most of those folks at Reunion and the conv. center think Texans are gods.

[99WhiteBeast]

how soon before they start putting those folks in Reunion Arena?
Dana

Reunion is already at capacity-now spilling over to any city that will take them.
We went and helped at a Ft Worth rec center yesterday and they are splitting families up left and right shipping them all over the country. We talked with a young couple that was seperated from their parents-parents went to Houston and they thought they were going there but were sent to Ft Worth instead.

[dboat]

Do we have a head count of the lost and dead? last I read it was less than 100.. I still think you blow up the levees and let the place rot its way back into the muck.. rebuild it elsewhere..
Dana

[ThunderBolt]

It was up to 147 as of yesterday. They will begin looking for the dead now that the living have been relocated.

[99WhiteBeast]

Do we have a head count of the lost and dead? last I read it was less than 100.. I still think you blow up the levees and let the place rot its way back into the muck.. rebuild it elsewhere..
Dana

CNN reported close to 18,000 lost or missing on there "missing persons website" in which loved ones are looking- I'm sure a large number of those are in shelters all over the country and have just not been cross referenced yet or communicated to those looking.

The officials should have used license plates (RF barcodes or RFID) to tag all the evacutees so they can track them on and off the buses and in and out of the shelters.

[Silver_2000]

After Living in shreveport for almost 2 years I found LA to be very corrupt.

The roads sucked - They had HUGE taxes on car ownership that was supposed to go to the roads but didnt. The crime was out of control and was accepted ...

Dennis' comparison to the rest of the gulf coast is an excellent point - The wind damage and the wave surge damage was in comparison limited next to the flooding devastation in NO

The thing that sticks in my craw is Im paying good $$ for insurance on all kinds of stuff and 100,00's of thousands of NO residents that didnt have **** before, were first ones to loot the stores and had no Insurance will be collecting BIG ass checks of OUR money...

Yes there are hardworking people there that have been devastated and Im doing what Ican to try to help but... :hammer:

Just my $0.03 worth

Doug

[03LightningRocks]

Earlier in this thread, Adam mentioned the thought of heading there to MAKE MONEY. I have had discussions with about half a dozen folks about this. There is about to be an explosion in that area for folks that want to work. Millions upon millions of dollars will be spent rebuilding that sh!t hole. Anyone want to take bets on how many of these refugees sign up to go back for work? LMAO...no way in hell. They will begin to drain the resources of the areas they move to. They will be making a bee line for the free hand outs. But when it comes time to work, the majority of these folks will do just like they have been doing their entire lives....make excuse after excuse for why they can't work.

The whole thing is :Bullshit . I am so sick of hearing these cry babies act as if they have something due them. Fock em. I say keep them all corraled in the perspective corral centers. Then as soon as the work force is needed for clean up and rebuilding...ship their arses back and let them rebuild what they act like they had to begin with. I bet they will sit in the shade on their lazy arse and act like they have been done wrong again.


Rocks:mad:

[mustgofaster]

You know... There are a lot of people there that had no way out, and knowing this, while I watch the mayer of N.O. on the news, complaining like a little baby, makes me angry. The reason why I say this is because he had resources he could have used to get the poor, and the helpless out. He has a city full of school busses, and public transportaion... Why didn't the mayor do HIS job, & take the nessesary measures to get HIS people out of harms way? He could have done it. No... He would rather pass the buck, and now he's trying to point the finger at everyone else, because he isn't man enough to admit that he made mistakes just like everyone else. I also think that he is being unrealistic in his expectations, because when you consider the scale of the rescue mission that had/has to be done, it seems unrealistic to me to think that you could have 40,000 troops in there the day after. Not to mention the time it takes to pluck tens of thousands of people from thier rooftops, one by one. am I out of line, or does the Mayor of N.O. need to shut his mouth & concentrate more of his energy on solving the problem, instead of getting all of these people all riled up?

[PoorSvtman]

Most everything i feel has already been typed so i will spare typing it... But ive been on the road quite a bit around ftworth all the way to farmers branch and denton...
These people from louisiana need to learn to drive and respect the texas roads... I dont know how many times ive been cut off or seen some close accidents in the past 3 days, because these as$hats are speeding all over the place and weaving in and out of traffic.. Heck on the way home i had a lady riding my bumper when she could have gone around. I tapped my breaks so the ligths would come on, that didnt work so then i gave the breaks a little tap to slow down and she went around me finaly but cussing up a storm :rolleyes: .

[ThunderBolt]

As of this past Saturday the Governor of Louisiana still hasn't declared a state of emergency. :tu:

[StormShadow]

I just heard yesterday that they are sending 2 people from each district down to help rebuild the communications network. Not sure yet if I will be one of them. They say you work min. 12 hour days 13 days on and 1 day off and live in a tent city. But its about $50,000 :eek:

[03LightningRocks]

I just heard yesterday that they are sending 2 people from each district down to help rebuild the communications network. Not sure yet if I will be one of them. They say you work min. 12 hour days 13 days on and 1 day off and live in a tent city. But its about $50,000 :eek:

Good luck to ya on it. That is alot of money, but I bet the married guys are not going to make it. That should cut down the candidates quite a bit.


Rocks:tu:

[dboat]

This would be an appropiate response in the wake of the hurricanes. Maybe if there was more of this, folks would have been better behaved.

[LivinEZ]

This would be an appropiate response in the wake of the hurricanes. Maybe if there was more of this, folks would have been better behaved.

That says it all. You don't mess with Mississippi red-necks. :nono:

[David N]

called old GW tonight and he got mad because I disturbed him while he was on vacation, but sent this pic along.

http://www.prowltalk.com/ppost/data/500/BushVaca1.jpg