CHL info

[L8 APEX]

Here is a link to DPS
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/reciprocity.htm
The list is growing in some good ways but also some bad ways. Texas has quite a run of unilateral recips. Meaning that out of staters can carry in our state but we cannot carry in theirs. Examples are Conneticut and New Mexico. I say if it is not reciprocal then screw them:bs .

[Wht95Lightning]

The one that really burns me is Nevada. I doubt that us Texans will EVER be able to carry there. The Nevada rules are too rediculous. YOu have to take your weapon and qualify at the sherrifs department. The weapons serial number is put on your permit and you are only allowed to carry THAT weapon.

[LivinEZ]

Here is a link to DPS
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/reciprocity.htm
The list is growing in some good ways but also some bad ways. Texas has quite a run of unilateral recips. Meaning that out of staters can carry in our state but we cannot carry in theirs. Examples are Conneticut and New Mexico. I say if it is not reciprocal then screw them:bs .

I would have to agree with you. Why is Texas being so generous?? I guess no matter what, Texas wants to have the most gun carring people (in or out of state).

[L8 APEX]

I understand where they are coming from and would accept it here as well. I think you should qualify with each weapon you plan to carry. It is something about the difference between a precision firing weapon such as pistols and rifles versus shotguns. They fire a single projectile and require proficiency of sights and such. Police are required to qualify with each weapon they want to carry on and off duty. That way they have a proven proficiency with that weapon in accuracy and reloading etc.. Our CHL reqs are minimal at best and I applaud any state for requiring a little more competence. Not everyone out there can operate a wide range of weapons efficiently. It is common sense to carry what you qualify with and prictice regularly.

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

I understand where they are coming from and would accept it here as well. I think you should qualify with each weapon you plan to carry. It is something about the difference between a precision firing weapon such as pistols and rifles versus shotguns. They fire a single projectile and require proficiency of sights and such. Police are required to qualify with each weapon they want to carry on and off duty. That way they have a proven proficiency with that weapon in accuracy and reloading etc.. Our CHL reqs are minimal at best and I applaud any state for requiring a little more competence. Not everyone out there can operate a wide range of weapons efficiently. It is common sense to carry what you qualify with and prictice regularly.

I carry one of seven different 1911 .45s, so does that mean that I need to qualify seven times or just once --- barrel lengths vary from 3 inches to 5 inches, but they are basically the same :rolleyes:

[gagspa]

I understand where they are coming from and would accept it here as well. I think you should qualify with each weapon you plan to carry. It is something about the difference between a precision firing weapon such as pistols and rifles versus shotguns. They fire a single projectile and require proficiency of sights and such. Police are required to qualify with each weapon they want to carry on and off duty. That way they have a proven proficiency with that weapon in accuracy and reloading etc.. Our CHL reqs are minimal at best and I applaud any state for requiring a little more competence. Not everyone out there can operate a wide range of weapons efficiently. It is common sense to carry what you qualify with and prictice regularly.
Although you are not required to qualify on every weapon, you are required to qualify with a semi-auto if that is what you plan to carry. If you only qualify with a revolver then you can only carry a revolver. So, in a sense, you do have to qualify with the same type that you plan to carry.

Most people I know that carry have different weapons for different situations and outfits. It all depends on how easy it is to conceal. Some carry one on the hip and leave one in each vehicle. Others change guns every couple of months. With a 4 year license it is just impractical to qualify with every gun that you intend to ever carry.

[BC Lightning]

Although you are not required to qualify on every weapon, you are required to qualify with a semi-auto if that is what you plan to carry. If you only qualify with a revolver then you can only carry a revolver. So, in a sense, you do have to qualify with the same type that you plan to carry.

That is true, but is you qualify with a semi-auto that also qualifies you for a revolver, if you qualify with a revolver, then thats all you can carry. I don't know why you wouldn't just qualify with a semi-auto, but some people don't like them :rolleyes:

[Tex Arcana]

Strange question:

If'n I were to want to carry a pistol (no CHL as yet) in my vehicle, where is a good place to stash it in the Lightning?? A quick response would be nice. :tu:

[tiffo60]

i would say under the seat

[StormShadow]

I used to put mine under my leg while I was driving if I was in a really bad area. Otherwise I just wedged it in the little space between the driver seat and the bench seat.

[BC Lightning]

The law in Texas says that it is considered concealed as long as its not on the dash, with window tint you can have it sitting in the passenger seat, I know that is considered concealed with a CHL

[Moonshine]

The law in Texas says that it is considered concealed as long as its not on the dash, with window tint you can have it sitting in the passenger seat, I know that is considered concealed with a CHL

What is your source for the above?

[jeff56]

What is your source for the above?

Some guy that told some guy who put it on the internet and I read it there. :rolleyes: :D

[BC Lightning]

My CHL instructor

[L8 APEX]

My CHL instructor:hammer: :D :nono:

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

My CHL instructor

I would not take that as gospel!!!

If you are wearing a jacket, for example, and the outline of the handgun can be seen on the jacket, that is a violation --- concealed means not visible. If you were to put a newspaper over the weapon where it is not visible, then it would be concealed.:throw:

[BC Lightning]

I would not take that as gospel!!!

If you are wearing a jacket, for example, and the outline of the handgun can be seen on the jacket, that is a violation --- concealed means not visible. If you were to put a newspaper over the weapon where it is not visible, then it would be concealed.:throw:

Ok here is my question, concealed would be in reference to carrying it on you, out in public, or in places that serve less than 51% of alcohol sales. So if you do have restrictive windows, then wouldn't it be classified as concealed? As long as its not on the dash where it wouldn't be concealed.

[SpeedyBolt]

I keep mine in the center console or between the seats like Adam said. Either place is pretty quick access.

[devildog92]

I would not take that as gospel!!!

If you are wearing a jacket, for example, and the outline of the handgun can be seen on the jacket, that is a violation --- concealed means not visible. If you were to put a newspaper over the weapon where it is not visible, then it would be concealed.:throw:

I was told just the opposite from Plano's The Bullet Trap off Hwy K. Strange, something so serious and we can't even get instructors to agree...Farms, your comment makes sense, and I was always curious how someone cold walk-around w/ a magnum outlined in a jacket w/out anyone trying to cause a hassle. In NM I think its against the law to conceal it (?). It might have been AZ, and I am unsure if thats even the law any longer...As long as laws exist, instructors and asstorneys will bicker on whos right or wrong.

dan

[L8 APEX]

I say keep it simple, if it can be seen directly then it is not concealed. If it protrudes or has a blatant or intimidating outline through clothing then you are asking for trouble. I would say tinted windows does not make it concealed in most circumstances. Don't be a moron and keep your stuff out of sight. That is about as stupid as the guys who draw their guns to intimidate or threaten. Brandishing a wepon is still a crime and is not exempt to CHL holders.

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

The law is actually pretty clear:



GOVERNMENT CODE


GC CH. 411. DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY OF THE STATE

OF TEXAS


* * * * *


Subch. H. LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN

GC §411.171. DEFINITIONS. In this subchapter:

(1) "Action" means single action, revolver, or semi-automatic

action.

(2) "Chemically dependent person" means a person who

frequently or repeatedly becomes intoxicated by excessive indulgence

in alcohol or uses controlled substances or dangerous drugs so as to

acquire a fixed habit and an involuntary tendency to become intoxicated

or use those substances as often as the opportunity is

presented.

(3) "Concealed handgun" means a handgun, the presence of

which is not openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable

person.

If you want to know more, here is the link:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/ls-16.pdf

[jeff56]

Good link. You guys definitely read up on the law. What better place to find the answers to your questions than the answer book? I don't have a CHL and have no experience with the qualifications of instructors, etc. I have noticed that I've been hearing a lot of reliable stories lately about info people were taught that was just crazy. It's like driver's ed insrtuctors telling people that it's illegal to drive barefoot. :rolleyes: We need a snopes.com for CHL users.

As far as tinted windows, what happens if you get pulled over? When officer is at your window, it's not going to be concealed and any movements you make to try to conceal it while stopping are liable to make the officer very ancy. Depending on the officer, you may not go to jail for not failing to conceal it, but either way, it's probably going to be a very tense situation.

[Silver_2000]

Not a Peace officer, not a judge and dont have a CHL ... But

Sounds like the descriptions here were just attempts to interpret the law that was posted


Concealed handgun" means a handgun, the presence of which is not openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person.

Thats pretty vague ... What I would want to know is how is it being interpreted and enforced. Sounds to me like the anecdotes here are attempts to do that

Doug

[Moonshine]

Ditto what Jeff56 said. :tu:

[Ivanhoe_Farms]

Good link. :rolleyes: We need a snopes.com for CHL users.

As far as tinted windows, what happens if you get pulled over? When officer is at your window, it's not going to be concealed and any movements you make to try to conceal it while stopping are liable to make the officer very ancy. Depending on the officer, you may not go to jail for not failing to conceal it, but either way, it's probably going to be a very tense situation.

Jeff,

There is NO SUBSTITUTE for common sense, and there is nothing so uncommon as COMMON SENSE. There is another great site I use a lot to determine where it is safe outside of Texas to carry --- where the license is recognized, and that provides some insite into the laws.

http://www.packing.org/

[jeff56]

Good point, Doug, and let me clarify that my posts were in no way meant to chastize any person here for having confusion over the issue. It is complicated and very much open to interpretation. The issue is further confused by the third hand legal advice given out by instructors.

You are right when you say it is vague, however, as Ivanhoe Farms mentions, common sense is key here. Common sense would have one take it at face value only. If taken at face value, concealed means just that - concealed in every "reasonable" situation. As such, you can't go wrong with the center console or a holster secured to bottom of the seat. A "reasonable person" in an "ordinary situation" is not going to be lifting up one's shirt or opening their center console. However, it would be very commonplace to have somone in a taller vehicle be able to see your weapon laying on the seat of your truck on a sunny day. Legal tint is not that dark, after all.

I personally recommend on your person in a suitable and well concealed holster, however. Preferably one by Comp-Tac. :) Why carry it if you only have access to it when in your ride?

I've never found CHL stuff to be an issue - it rarely comes up and only once have I had adverse dealings with a CHL holder. As such, I'm not that uptight about it. YMMV however, which is why I posted on this thread. No need to push the limits and potentially get yourself in trouble. :tu:

[Moonshine]

Ditto again, on all points. :tu:

[Tex Arcana]

As it stands for me, I'm not allowed to carry weapons onto an inspection site, so the CHL is a moot point. Since I won't likely get a CHL for a while yet, the question of vehicular carry still stands, tho at this point I'm not inclined to carry, even tho I anticipate times where I'll be sleeping in the car (and I'm swapping the Lightning out for the wife's Mariner--I've found that there are situations where the L just won't be an appropriate vehicle, not to mention that the Mariner will provide a nice place to crash in that's not only relatively secure, but climate-controlled when needed. :tu:) and will want a nice piece to make me feel safe.